Hey Violin!

“Hey Violin, New Jersey sucks!!!

I feel so sorry for you, man.

You could be living in the paradise that is Baltimore.”

“IMHO:

1) I don't see any justification for theb White Trash comment. I say this without pretending to be able to keep score of the long history of back and forth between Wanderer and Violin, or trying to assess the thread in question as a whole.

2) Sarge's statement about diversity looks worse in context, no need to cut and paste the whole thing - Sarge gave the link, but I note the previous line:

the place is a real dive

much of the diversity is hispanics”
Sarge
6:43:46 PM
3/04/06”

“Personally, I'm not offended by Wanderer's remarks - of course, I never lived in PA. I do have to take issue, as a matter of fact with one claim he makes:

I was simply stating facts....
Why in the world is my (factual) opinion about most of PA being a cesspool condescending to the poor, unfortunate residents?
If you like it there, good for you!”
wanderer
8:35:50 PM
3/04/06

I'll add that saying much of PA is a cesspool is not a statement of fact, it is an evaluative metaphor. There is emotive value, but almost no informational value in it.

From an online dictionary:

cesspool
A noun
1 cesspool, cesspit, sink, sump

a covered cistern; waste water and sewage flow into it ”

“Well, it just ain't nice and it offended a lot of nice people.

Maybe our friend in California was having a rough week.

I suppose being a high-achieving business owner can put stress on a person, even a superman who made himself and came up from a poor background and can't understand why eveyone else can't be like him and stop being a drag on society.

But it sure brought out the hounds and the entertainment value of this thread is priceless.”

“For em this place bashing banter is good fun - and if you disagree you can bash back or praise. Trash talking is part of the ethos at TT.

Beat-up little seagull
On a marble stair
Tryin' to find the ocean
Lookin' everywhere

Hard times in the city
In a hard town by the sea
Ain't nowhere to run to
There ain't nothin' here for free

Hooker on the corner
Waitin' for a train
Drunk lyin' on the sidewalk
Sleepin' in the rain

And they hide their faces
And they hide their eyes
'Cause the city's dyin'
And they don't know why

Oh Baltimore
Man it's hard just to live
Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to life, just to live

Get my sister Sandy
And my little brother Ray
Buy a big old wagon
To haul us all away

Live out in the country
Where the mountain's high
Never comin' back here
'Til the day I die

Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to live
Oh, Baltimore
Man, it's hard just to live, just to live”

“Concession to reality: I really enjoyed Baltimore when I visited. My wife was really impressed. The inner harbor had some great areas and Camden Yards was a fine baseball stadium.”

“2) Sarge's statement about diversity looks worse in context, no need to cut and paste the whole thing - Sarge gave the link, but I note the previous line: - pedxing


pedxing - It is important to quote the whole thing.

“those bottom 2 are b/c it's so freaking crowded on the roads

for what? ... nada - malls and restaurants

the place is a real dive

much of the diversity is hispanics”

The 1st three sentences go together, not the last two. The last statement was a clarification on something somebody mentioned previously (read the thread). It didn't occur to me to associate "real dive" with "hispanics". The two are unrelated, and if you read the context of the discussion, it's obvious ... unless of course the person reading it is racist themselves. Don't go there trying to pin me as a racist pedxing. That's not at all cool.”

“OK... since things are quiet on TT and at work... I'm still thinking:

"You're state is a cesspool"

vs

"You come from white trash"

Is one of these really light years more offensive than the other?

I'm thinking that neither of them are called for. I think the "white trash" comment is a bit worse - talkin about someones Momma (and Poppa) is closer to home that talking about someone's state (though this site won't let you post some words for some of the things most commonly found in cesspools).

Still its pretty funny that Wanderer calls someone's State a cesspool and stands by that as "factual," yet starts a whole thread to complain an holler and demand an apology for the outrage of the white trash comment. Sure Violin went pretty low, but he didn't win the limbo contest on that thread by a very big margain. Wandy almost beat him. Sure the cesspool comment was funnier, but standing by it as "factual" kind of undoes the humor of it.”

“Well Sarge - only you know why you wanted to point that out or what you meant by it. I commented on how it "looked" in context - that's all I know - the appearance of it.”

“Then take the "whole" context next time. Again, I think one would only read that as racist if they were racist or fascinated about racism. If you have any doubt, you certainly have no business pushing the hateful thought that I might be racist. I take great offense to that.
last edited: 3/05/06 10:18:53 PM”

“Look at it this way pedxing - being "hispanic" has nothing to do with the first 3 sentences, yet the first 3 do have to do with each other. Allentown used to be a steel area, but now it's not. There is nothing there but malls and restaurants - yet it's very crowded. Think about what that means ... not a lot of great money-making going on, yet overcrowded streets -- It's a dive. How that relates to being hispanic, I have no idea. In fact, the Hispanics came later, after the fall of the area (Bethlehem). Anybody who fathoms relating those two concepts are likely racist themself.

The Hispanic statistic was added as an afterthought. The highest concentration of Hispanics in PA are in Allentown, and it's common knowledge. I had hispanic friends. It's bone-chilling to think that mentioning the word people automatically assume you're racist.

Bone-chilling. Blood-boiling. Take your pick.
last edited: 3/05/06 10:45:50 PM”

“Relax Sarge!!
Everyone else really is wrong.

Holyoke, Massachusetts had a lot of hispanics when I was there in '87......Manchester, New Hampshire too.
That seemed odd considering the climate.

100 years ago it was Quebec French who moved in en masse(ha ha, that's French!) to towns like Holyoke.
Massachusetts has the highest percentage of people with French names of the northern New England states.

In the '20s poor hungry Quebec French were brought in to Barre, Vermont to "scab" the union strikers in the granite sheds.

'Round and 'round we go......”

“Yes MarkO, it's bone-chilling to think that we are so far away from Martin Luther King's message of equality, given almost 40 years ago, that the very MENTION of race invokes thoughts of racism. I find that bone-chilling.


last edited: 3/06/06 6:58:24 AM”

“Dude, I could show you places in Baltimore "that would turn you white"!!

(from Winston Zedimore[Ernie Hudson] Ghostbusters)”

““ From now on I'll try to post emoticons with all my thoughts, K?”

You’d be better off just not posting to me. I have long grown tired of your always coming along behind me trying to be the yin to my yang unsolicited.”

“Pedxing, don't let PC get in the way of your logic - you have a bad habit of this.

Wanderer - grow up. Who friggin' cares what violin thinks or says. Seriously. You're acting like Sarge with your histrionics.”

“Who friggin' cares what violin thinks or says.... - Mutt


I agree with part of Mutt's statement, LOL.”

“I'm being accused of racism, and called somebody on it.

Mutt isn't even in the conversation, yet calls somebody on their "histrionics".

Mutt, look in the mirror. It's none of your business yet you make a deal out of it. If I or others want to defend their own name, you shouldn't have a problem with it, unless you're a nosy baby who needs to grow up and break away from histrionics.

Mutt is the new net-nanny who, by his own admission, as other interests now besides backpacking.
last edited: 3/06/06 7:47:11 AM”

“DANG....work a shift at the station, come back home and find THIS???? Hey I had a fight just like this last night. I had brought home made Roast Beef, I walked in to Dispatch to check on something come back and the Engineer on the Ladder Truck is arguing with the Engineer on the Engine about whether lemon pepper or garlic pepper tastes better.
I finally had to threaten them with putting a report in their records that says "Does not participated positivly in work and play time with others."
Hey in the battle between NJ and Baltimore etc, can I add Augusta Ga. NOTE in the past 10 years all MAJOR disasters (hurricanes, etc) have made a detour around this area. I mean come on....if a disaster goes out of its way to avoid you,,,,”

“OH, garlic for sure!!

Lemon is for sour-pusses and garlic keeps evil spirits away.”

“It's none of your business yet you make a deal out of it. - Surge

That's pretty funny, kinda like the Sarge of old.

by his own admission, has other interests now besides backpacking

You're young here, so FYI and anyone else's who doesn't know me, I never was an avid backpacker, but climbing overlaps it to a great extent. No, I always avoided the trail rats and their social-club elitism. Let them stick to their groomed little foot-paths and their gear-toys. The real outdoorsmen are left with all the rest of the wilderness in which to play.

But you're right on one thing - I've GOT to get back into it, man!!! I have Big Plans this spring/summer/fall. I've already ordered a new harness and rope and biners and screwlinks to replace my ruined gear!”

“Personally I find that to be overly politically correct should be as insulting as calling someone a racial slur. I never really thought about it until I read Larry Elder’s book and the chapter about condescending white people who do not confront people for ill behavior because they are of another race. It’s just as bad because you are setting a different standard. It’s like you are saying we don’t expect as much from people of other races.

The same goes for a whole community. If a neighborhood becomes dominated by one ethnic group over a short period of time and the neighborhood goes to crap then we should simply state as much. Take Dearborn Michigan. It has become the largest Arab community in America. Should we ignore any and all effects this has on the community? We wouldn’t want to offend anyone would we?”

“That's pretty funny, kinda like the Sarge of old.

Actually, the Sarge of old only butted in when people commented on me first, so your stupid analogy doesn't work.”

“Mutt's last trip...

"Help me!! Help me!!"

”

“Oh, it works Sarge - just not for you, amusingly.

Nigal, I dunno what that pic is supposed to be, but you're right about the caption! That incident really sucked lemons.”

“i've been away for a couple weeks and would just like to say it's nice to be home.

i heart you guys.”

“"...screwlinks..."

(out of context quote)”

“Welcome home sacco ya dirty pinko, commie, libby. LOL!

Where ya been?”

“screwlinks to YOU, sacco!!


And your little dog, too!!”

“overdue vacation/honeymoon.

vegas, grand canyon, arizona, san diego, death valley

it was pretty sweet!”

“sacco was gone? ;-)”

“can we get back to the fight'n and fuss'n now people?”

“Death Valley for a honeymoon???

Dude, you are gonna get rode hard for that!!!


heeheeheeheehahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!1”

“I took my wife to Celibate, Florida for our honeymoon.”

“Yeah...I thought about Blue Ball, PA.”

“I was in Baltimore two years ago. I stayed in the hotel across from Old Iron Sides. They have a pretty cool waterfront area, nice and touristy.

Forgot to tell TomT I was coming.”

“Its funny how Sarge sees an accusation of racism immediately in someone quouting what he says (I'm thinking of bearmagnet) - but thinks only racists would find anything racist in what he says. I didn't use the term racist or any of its synonyms, either.”

“pedxing - Don't play ignorant. Everybody knows what bearmagnet meant by his quote, and you know it. Even he didn't deny it. The several emails I received also confirm people know what he meant. You're either the only one who didn't know what he was doing, or you're playing ignorant because of the corner you painted yourself into.



last edited: 3/06/06 10:12:59 AM”

“death valley was pretty nice. was planning on dayhiking the dunes, but it was pretty gusty. we were afraid of getting caught in a sand storm.

i've got to admit, the whole racism schtick is one fuego area that i mostly agree with sarge's observations and opinions.”

“or you're playing ignorant because of the corner you painted yourself into - Surge

Careful, pedxing, Sarge knows all the dishonest debate tricks, as he's a master at using them!”

“So Sarge is a racist?

Huh. Who would have guessed?”

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

From Hamlet (III, ii, 239)”

“The liberals come out of the woodwork in the name of defending an injustice.

From Sarge (trailtalk, 43049,5,2)”

“Too bad bacpac.

The USS Constitution, Old Ironsides, is in Boston.

The one in Baltimore is the USS Constellation.

Did you tour the USS Torsk??

Pick up any prostitutes??

They say Baltimore is the VD capitol of the nation.”

“Go get 'em, Phaedrus!!”

“I assume your post refers in part to mine because of your citation at the bottom [From Sarge (trailtalk, 43049,5,2)] (cute), which mirrors the citation to Hamlet at the bottom of my post, because you use the same subject line [as is often the case]and its proximity.


However . ..you must be particularly sensitive to the idea that YOU are the subject of my protesting too much post to assume that it had anything to do with you.


My post had no more to do with you, than your post regarding Allentown had to do with associating "dive" with "Hispanic".”

“lee killed Terry Shivo....”

“Silly me lee, I should never have assumed you were continuing the current discussion in the thread.”

“I live in Kaleeeefornia. If I had a nickel for every time people tell me this place is filled with fruits and nuts and whacked out freaks, I'd be a treeeeellionaire. Does it bother me? Naw. Does it offend me? Not even in the slightest. I back wanderer 100% on this one. I don't know why if someone says something about another state that anyone could take it "personally" and be offended? Oh well! I'm just glad I live in a state where people know how to freakin' vote, unlike FLORIDUH! But lest Floridians feel offended, I'll make sure I offend everyone equally. Here goes:

Alabama: Yes, We Have Electricity

Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't Be Wrong!

Arizona: But It's A Dry Heat

Arkansas: Literacy Ain't Everything

California: By 30, Our Women Have More Plastic Than Your Honda

Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother

Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only The Kennedys Don't Own It Yet

Delaware: We Really Do Like The Chemicals In Our Water

Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids

Georgia: We Put The "Fun" In Fundamentalist Extremism

Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death To Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money)

Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes. Well Okay, Not Really, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good

Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S"

Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free

Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn

Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States

Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names

Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign

Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster

Maryland: If You Can Dream It, We Can Tax It

Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets)

Michigan: First Line Of Defense From The Canadians

Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes And 10,000,000,000,000 Mosquitoes

Mississippi: Come And Feel Better About Your Own State

Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars At Work

Montana: Land Of The Big Sky, The Unabomber, Right-Wing Crazies, And Very Little Else

Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest

Nebraska: Land of Two Seasons - Winter and Construction

Nevada: Whores and Poker!

New Hampshire: Go Away And Leave Us Alone

New Jersey: You Want A ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! Motto Right Here!

New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent Pets

New York: You Have The Right To Remain Silent, You Have The Right To An Attorney

North Carolina: Tobacco Is A Vegetable

North Dakota: We Really Are One Of The 50 States!

Ohio: At Least We're Not Michigan

Oklahoma: Like The Play, Only No Singing

Oregon: Spotted Owl - It's What's For Dinner

Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal

Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island

South Carolina: Remember The Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender

South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota

Tennessee: The Educashun State

Texas: Si' Hablo Ing'les (Yes, I Speak English)

Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus

Vermont: Yep

Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix?

Washington: Help! We're Overrun By Nerds And Slackers!

Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor?

West Virginia: One Big Happy Family - Really!

Wisconsin: Come Cut The Cheese

Wisconsin: Come Smell our Dairy Air

Wyoming: Where Men Are Men (And The Sheep Are Scared)
last edited: 3/06/06 11:13:41 AM”

“Hey mother#&%!$ers!

How about starting a "Sarge is a Racist?" thread for this #&%!$?

This is the whine about Violin thread.”