You've GOT to be kidding!

“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190221,00.html

A slim majority of Americans are open to allowing undocumented workers to obtain some sort of temporary legal status to remain in the United States, with stronger support for the idea among Democrats, younger adults and more educated Americans, a new poll finds.

I'd love to see how this AP poll was worded and executed.”

“I'm in favor of it, although I'd like some sort of qualifying process. If someone has been here for years, is raising a famiy here, has maybe purchsed a home here, how in the world can you kick them out at this point? If they've been here only a short time, or if they belong to that relatively large group that comes & goes with the agriculture season, then they shouldn't be granted guest-worker status.

My thinking is that (to some extent) we can't blame those who have been working here & making a life here for our inability to enforce the immigration laws for the last 10 years or so. They are here, and they've made a life here, so let's accept reality and move forward to make sure they're paying taxes, have auto insurance, and do all the other things citizens have to do.”

“and do all the other things citizens have to do

Like go to jail when they break the law?”

“Actually, if you read further into the text it says:

Overall, 56 percent of Americans favor offering illegal immigrants a shot at some kind of legal status;

I found the following in another article on the poll, I couldn't find the wording though:

Some 56 percent of those polled said they favor allowing immigrants with jobs who are in the country illegally to apply for legal, temporary worker status

Some 56 percent of those polled said they favor allowing immigrants with jobs who are in the country illegally to apply for legal, temporary worker status.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/14247441.htm”

“in 1492 columbus saild the ocean blue
and on the shore the indians stood
and said there goes the neighborhood!”

“Isn't it strange how 'illegal' has come to mean nothing to so many.
The people who write the laws exempt themselves from them. Half of those who's job is enforcement brake as many as they enforce.Our elected can not tell the truth about anything,but we expect those who come here to steal our lifestyle to be different ,please.
last edited: 4/02/06 10:49:42 PM”

“Citizen Sarge, do you mean the companys that employ said?”

“What is so surprising. It is consistent what society does in similar law breaking situations.

In Illinois and in many states, people who buy illegal drugs to use are almost univerally given a one time chance by completing a free drug treatment program to get their arrest and plea of guilty expunged.

Would not it be better for society to deport junkies who commit crimes to support their habit than people who work hard to support themselves?”

“...and summary execution for jaywalkers.”

“What is so surprising is that in "similar law breaking situations", the people in question are "citizens". These are people who are not "citizens", and therefore do not have the same rights to begin with, including those of rehabilitation - paid for by tax payer dollars.”

“It shows how low we are sinking when we don't know right from wrong. Cheap labor at the expense of border security. Illegal is illegal and a kick in the teeth to people who follow the rules on immigration.

What's with all these people waving Mexican flags at protests. I suppose they want their land back that they lost in the war. Sad to say they might just get it because this country seems to be going the same way of the Roman empire and headed for collapse from internal rot, corruption and greed.”

“Sarge, too bad the U.S. Supreme Court does not agree with you. Illegal aliens have the same rights in the U.S. Criminal justice system you and I enjoy, plus additional rights under the Vienna Convention that you and I do not have.”

“They have the right to be prosecuted under the law including removal from the country. IIRIRA 1996”

“Rich B, can't explain it much better than you have. Pigs that will eat their own children to have the strength to make the mighty dollar.”

“Rasmussen Polls give a very different picture of opinions on illegal aliens. I think this is partly because a lot of Americans are torn over the issue. Excerpt and link:

Survey data released last Thursday showed similar underlying attitudes. In that survey, just 39% said there should be some way for illegal aliens with a job to stay in the U.S. legally. Forty-four percent (44%) disagreed.

A slight majority (54%) agree that the "goal of immigration policy should be to keep out national security threats, criminals, and those who would come here to live off our welfare system. Beyond that, all immigrants would be welcome." Thirty percent (30%) disagree.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/March%20Dailies/Immigration%20March%2030-31.htm”

“In Illinois and in many states, people who buy illegal drugs to use are almost univerally given a one time chance by completing a free drug treatment program to get their arrest and plea of guilty expunged.

Would not it be better for society to deport junkies who commit crimes to support their habit than people who work hard to support themselves? - prosecuter

How the hell did you become a lawyer with logic like that? Not that it's a true education in the first place, but still...”

“"and do all the other things citizens have to do

Like go to jail when they break the law?”



Sarge, if yo follow any of my posts you know I get a lot of ^#$# for being a "right-wing, obey the rules" kind of guy, but in this case I've come to the conclusion that it would do far more damage to attempt to expel 11.6 million people that it would to admit that it was partly OUR shortcoming that we did nothing for years & years & years to enforce the law, either with the immigrants themselves or with their employers, thereby almost encouraging illegal immigration. That being said, the "human being" part of me can't see disrupting the lives of millions of people (the kids who were born & are being raised here) just because our gutless politicians did nothing to stem the tide of illegal immigration all those years.

I just think it's time to move forward. What's done is done, now let's do something to prevent it from continueing to happen.”

“Then please send me a check to reimburse the thousands of dollars including the hundreds of man hours we've invested to get my wife citizenship THE "LEGAL" WAY. (which, by the way, cannot happen for ANOTHER 3 years by obeying the law)”

“s-rge, the way you feel is why so many people who became citizens the legal way are upset about all of this.”

“That being said, the "human being" part of me can't see disrupting the lives of millions of people (the kids who were born & are being raised here) just because our gutless politicians did nothing to stem the tide of illegal immigration all those years.
wanderer
9:36:54 AM
4/03/06

A lot of those illegals came into this country just to give birth. They know that their child is a American citizen even though they are still illegals. I have no problem sending them back. Illegal is illegal!!”

“"A lot of those illegals came into this country just to give birth"

That's an urban legend kind of myth. Certainly some did, but the overwhelming majority are here because conditions in their home country suck so badly. Because they comprise such a high % of our population here in CA they publish a lot of the stats on who the immigrants are, where they came from, whether they're employed or not, etc. etc. in the newspapers out here all the time. Even if you were correct, those kids had no part in illegaly immigrating here, it's kind of hard to punish them for something their parents did.

I'm not saying I like the situation, but a hard-line course of action in either extreme of throwing them all out of the country, or, on the other hand, granting total amnesty & opening our doors with no quaification, will never fly so let's all compromise a little & take the middle course of action that has some chance of helping resolve the situation going forward.”

“Yes Ross, I hear that, 'SUCKING SOUND FROM THE SOUTH', most others have been hard of hearing.”

“Illegal Immigrants a 'Conundrum' for California PTA
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 03, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Urging a "do as I say, not as I do" policy, the California State Parent Teacher Association states that parents should be the ones to teach their children about following the law, even if the parents entered the United States illegally. However, a critic of illegal immigration called the PTA statement "incoherent."

On Thursday, the California State PTA argued in a statement that "it is in the interest of all Californians to ensure that all children, including the children of undocumented immigrants, have the opportunity to reach their full potential and become productive members of society.

"To that end, we believe all children who reside in California, regardless of their parents' immigration status, have the right of access to a quality public education, adequate food and shelter, and basic health services," the PTA statement read.

Children should also be taught about citizenship rights and responsibilities, according to the PTA, in order "to sustain, support and strengthen our free society." The group added that parents "should lay the foundation for responsible citizenship, including a knowledge of and respect for our nation's diverse cultural heritage."

Jo Loss, vice president for leadership services at the California State PTA, told Cybercast News Service that she recognizes "the conundrum there," involving parents who broke the law by entering the United States but now are in charge of teaching their children to abide by the law.

[snip]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200604/CUL20060403a.html”

“Tax those who employ WB's (no more euphemism). The taxes go into a fund only for
immigration problems. Wages will rise ,so ,the whole country will have to learn how to run a business without slave labor. Yah yah! you'll loose weight when food prices go up.Oh! If WB's were all deported, the oxygen level would spike due to the amount of unmowed lamns.”

“Mutt, I became a lawyer and learned to ask hard questions. Too bad you did not learn English enough to recognize my sentence as a question to be answered instead of treating it as a statment of logic.”

“It's telling that you picked an issue with the first part of my post rather than the second.

I will give you this - you do learn logic in a law program. But unfortunately, not as well as a typical college philosophy program! So there you have it. I put a JD on par with a degree from a junior college.”

“pffft”

“P.S. - my father was a lawyer and would agree with me. That's why he went on to get a Ph.D. in science.”

“pfffft”

“It is obvious to me you people are not capable of discussing the original subject. Sarge seems to be the only one directly affected by it. Again, it's obvious none of you is involved day to day with seeing this invasion, because anyone that uses the term 'undocumented worker', instead of 'wet back 'hasn't a clue. For 20 years I've built 'spec.' houses in my small community. Instead of sub contractors for most of the work ,I tried to form crews of local people, in hopes to keep money local.Workmans comp and all the other crap got to be just too much. So ,I started using subs ,but that turned into a total'wet back' parade. i'm out of the building business for that reason.It's not a pretty picture when teen americans can't mow lawns and all the other things that in the past helped them work their way into adulthood. I guess all teens will have to continue into years of schooling without any first hand experience with the real world and turn out like their teacher role models.”

“whether people want to admit to it or not The US is being invaded. 12 million illegals is a hell of an army that is attacking us from within.”

“Lest my position be misinderstood, let me emphasize...

I agree with most of what Saleboard, Ewker & many others have posted, it's just that I know da&^#% well that there's no way we're going to deport 11.6 million people - the negative reaction from the rest of the world simply won't allow it. Therefore, the logical solution is one that is workable... and that is to do what we can to reasonably assimilate those that are already here into our country & make them pay their fair share, etc., and THEN let's actually enforce the frick%$ law and not let any more illegals in.”

“btw, ewker, i dont think teaching esl is a waste of time nor will it be contributing to the immigration problem. i dont think too many illegals will be ponying up the hundreds of dollars to take the classes. plus they want to keep a low profile. i would if i was an illegal. so i dont think there will be any illegals in any of my classes”

“before we kick them out we need a way to stop them from coming in. After that then work on getting them out.

Nashville had its protest like the rest of the country did. The local paper interviewed (through a translater)one illegal from central america. He said he came here yrs ago by slipping through the border. He has done nothing to apply for citizenship, doesn't have a green card and now can't figure out why people dislike and hate him so much. He sees that he did nothing wrong even though he admitted he came here illegally. gee you think that may have something to do with it!!

Make it hard and expensive on companies that hire illegals. When you see a bunch of Mexicans standing on a corner at 6:30 in the morning talking to trucks with companies logos on the side that might give you a clue as to who is hiring them.

This country for yrs had most of the immigrants coming into this country through Ellis Island and other places. That worked as far as I know. Go back to those ways.”

“How many can prove that their ancestors came here legally? Should you be deported?”

“btw, ewker, i dont think teaching esl is a waste of time nor will it be contributing to the immigration problem. i dont think too many illegals will be ponying up the hundreds of dollars to take the classes. plus they want to keep a low profile. i would if i was an illegal. so i dont think there will be any illegals in any of my classes”
Crash Bang
3:23:34 PM
4/03/06

CB, they don't have to pony up to take ESL. they are teaching it in some of the public schools free of charge. The gov't is paying for it.
How long has ESL been around 5-6 yrs?

You didn't hear about ESL until the US got overrun with illegals in the past few yrs

What about all the immigrants who came here yrs ago legally and couldn't speak English. They learned on their own. They didn't have a gov't program for that then.”

“some of Mine didnt come here legally. They jumped ship....can I please be deported? Ireland would be nice....or some place in the carabean....”

“Sorry, Ewker, I agree with you philosophically, but practically it just won't work here in CA to "kick them out". It may work there in TN and a bunch of other places, but since we share a border & so many come here, the entire agriculture industry now has become dependent upon the labor of the illegals. There aren't enough teenagers to do all the work, and yes, it's "slave labor" at the present time because they are paid so poorly.

It's a large & complex problem, taking a hard-line approach, whether it's right or left, will no longer work. We will all have to compromise to some extent.”

“tell ya what, ewk, i promise to teach only legals. will you approve then?”

“wanderer, I am sure we don't have as many as Calif does but in Tenn the illegals grew by 35% in the past 4 yrs. The local paper even broke it down to how much each county grew by. Some doubled there stats in 2 yrs.
More amazing (at least to me)is how they knew we increased by that many illegals.”

“Most of the drugs in America come in over the boarder.

Most of the crimes in America are because of drugs.”

“legalize drugs and you wont have that problem”

“funny, seems to be an aweful lot of pot farms and meth labs in the USA...”

“And even with an "awful lot" of them, the majority STILL comes from over the boarder, so thanks for making the point that it's a lot Spirit.”

“Where are the stats sarge?”

“alot of lives and families are being destroyed by the pushers of the legal recreational drugs made right here within our borders”

“i dont know the stats, but im sure s-rge is right about the majority of illegal drugs coming from outside.”

““Most of the drugs in America come in over the boarder.

Most of the crimes in America are because of drugs.”


So what Sarge, are you trying to imply we have a drug problem because they're imported? That's assinine. If people want to do drugs, then they'l do drugs. If they don't come in from across the border, then more will be grown / manufactured here.”

“So what Sarge, are you trying to imply we have a drug problem because they're imported? That's assinine.

No, I did not "try to imply" anything. I said what I said, and there was nothing implied. I did not say that we have a drug problem because they're imported. What is assinine is assuming that is what I said.”

“"Wetback"??? I thought they used burrows now? Why do you feel the need to use a derogatory term?

Nativism is racism. Especially when you start tying all "our" problems into "their" presence.

Enjoy yourselves.”