NSA building database of all US phone re cords

“if you don't vote - you have no right to complain”

“i think it's funny that many libs are against this stuff, but for a national gun registry.


even funnier that many cons are for this stuff, but are against a national gun registry.

personally, i don't mind either, cause i figure the guberment is way too inept to do anything effectively.”

“The constitution is a rag and the rights it "guarantees” are but parental white lies to keep us quite.”

“Poor Chris”

“Hey sacco, I'm with you, but you should have said, "...anything effectively but waste our money"!”

“I don't know, I think the national gun registry is a bad comparison.

If they wanted to know exactly where you took you gun and where, and who was there with you at the time, then I think that would be a fair comparison.

Working the other way round registering a gun could be like knowing your telephone number, but not who you're talking to.”

“Sorry I'm confusing ,but may I please ask one question( which includes this phoney thing) .Q; which of the many 'WARS ON' that are so popular have been seriously fought and which have been won? Like this site ,a lota talk goes on here, but never does any solution result,because they're war for wars sake ,and never to solve anything.”

“they know where you bought it and where you live. they know where you called and where you called from. whats the difference”

““These phone logs tell you what phone number called what other phone number when for how long.... not who was talking on the phone or what they said. The records already exist at the phone company and I suspect the government can pretty much get to them any time they want."

In this movie the phone company was in cahoots with the C.I.A., if I remember correctly.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061810/fullcredits”

“In and of itself I'm not worried about what it means for me - but taken together with the other information that's leaking out, it means effectively that the Government and its agencies are spying on the people with little by the way of checks and balances on the matter. Some government oversight is needed to run the country - but really a government should minimize its interference, and there should be some oversight on what information is being collected. I think there should be more control on what info private companies collect. All the fuss over identity theft seems to have died down and yet little- to no effective action has been taken.

Government is there for the people, not the other way round.”

“LOL!”

“Should the government collect less information about who is needy?”

“It depends if it does it in secret Sarge. Or whether it's a policy decision made in public.”

“So your argument is the government shouldn't do things in private? It should reveal all of it's national defense measures?”

“No - my argument is that the Government shouldn't be spying on its own people. You really think any terrorist group doesn't assume their calls are being monitored and takes the necessary steps to avoid this information being used?

Also collecting general information on the needy, information largely given voluntarily, is a long way from monitoring who they talk to.
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“Y2 - How should the government determine who is its "own people" and who are not? Can we base that upon geographic location?”

“BTW, my participation here today was only because this thread is not fuego, lol.


Okay salebored, I understood your last post so I apologize for my earlier remark.”

“The weak give up freedom for protection. Thank you for your words that are still so true today Mr. Franklin.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin”

“Franklin denied ever saying that.”

“Nixon spied on americans, but they weren't his people, they were the DNC.”

“the guy flew kites in electrical storms ... i am sure he forgot a lot of things”

“STATUE OF LIBERTY
National Monument
Bedloe's Island, New York




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Inscribed on jade green carraralike glass plaques are excerpts from works of great American statesmen:

Our defense is in the spirit which prized liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doors.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN



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Liberty is the air America breathes . . . In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential freedoms . . . freedom of speech and expression . . . freedom of worship . . . freedom from want . . . freedom from fear .

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT



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I would rather belong to a poor nation that was free than to a rich nation that had ceased to be in love with liberty.

WOODROW WILSON



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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN



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For what avail the plough or sail, or land or life, if freedom fail?

RALPH WALDO EMERSON



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The freedom and happiness of man . . . are the sole objects of all legitimate government.

THOMAS JEFFERSON



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Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof.

LEVITICUS, XXV, 10.”

“I don't feel as if I have given up any liberty. Frankly, I have never assumed my phone records were a secret.”

“quotes from old famous dead dudes”

“Hyway - so is they any measure that you would see as giving up your liberty?”

““the guy flew kites in electrical storms ... i am sure he forgot a lot of things”
Jimmy san
1:52:59 PM
5/11/06

He knew and said exactly where the quote came from. It wasn't him.”

“perhaps he said it but forgot, he was an old guy and slept with whores”

“Perhaps, but the quote doesn't come from a spoken message. It was in writing, and he didn't write it.”

“How ya feelin' today?? :)”

“Haha!”

“Alive!”

“All of you should realize that I am monitoring this thread RIGHT NOW!
I do not really mind that anybody would monitor anything I do. I've been in the military for 20 years and have updated my security clearance at least 4 times, the interviews and background checks will find anything worth hiding. I shop on the internet and file taxes, both of which can be monitored by someone in the government. I guess I am saying I just really don't care.”

“Latest speech from Bush indicates this is definitely just number gathering, and not wiretapping. I'm still inclined to say its still illegal - still a search/seizure of my personal info, done in secret.”

“But what is it used for. Is it used to then take the records before a judge to then gain permission for a legal wiretap. Otherwise in and of itself how useful is it.”

““Hyway - so is they any measure that you would see as giving up your liberty?”
Y2
12:56:58 PM
5/11/06

Either you're typing too fast or you've been living around southerners too long.”

“If all our goverment officials & politicians were good & honest (with a high degree of integrity) I wouldn't have a preoblem with it.

But as we all know, they're not. This is going to be warped, twisted & abused.”

“why?...i don't have anything to hide...i don't have a problem with it...there's no such thing as "true privacy"...even in the good old days of writing letters, what stopped someone from just opening them up and reading them...my philosophy is if you don't phuck around you have nothing to worry about”
thriftyhiker
11:16:09 AM
5/11/06

So one should have no problem with agents coming to one's house and ripping through it looking for info?

Someone did bring up slippery slope, yes?”

““Hyway - so is they any measure that you would see as giving up your liberty?”
Y2
12:56:58 PM
5/11/06

Yes there is. I think being required to buckle up when driving is giving up my liberty. I think paying an income tax is giving up my liberty. I think being held responsible when some jackass cuts themself when trying to break into my house is giving up my liberty. I think the abuse of the Interstate Commerce clause to give laws that have nothing to do with commerce the appearance of constitutionally legal is giving up my liberty. I think the attack on private property rights is giving up my liberty.

The list runs on and on, but the people who cry "big brother" fail to see the real loss of liberty in this country.”

“If you die in an accident from lack of SB and it's the other cars fault you're adding to his guilt. Burglars have rights ,man. Oh! and big brother is a lesbian.”

“THE SALEBORED-TO-RUSSIAN-TO-ENGLISH TRANSLATION MACHINE
you decide which makes more sense ...

SALEBORED:
If you die in an accident from lack of SB and it's the other cars fault you're adding to his guilt. Burglars have rights ,man. Oh! and big brother is a lesbian.

RUSSIAN:
Если Вы умираете в результате несчастного случая от нехватки СУРЬМЫ, и это - другая автомобильная ошибка, которую Вы добавляете к его вине. Грабители имеют права, человека. О! и старший брат - лесбиянка.

ENGLISH:
If you die as a result of accident of shortage of ANTIMONY, and it is other automobile mistake which you add to its wine. Robbers have the rights, the person. About! And the senior brother - the lesbian.



last edited: 5/11/06 3:45:23 PM”

“Hyway - I think you're right on a number of fronts. So in your view as long as you don't, for example, pay income tax, then it's fine for government and private companies to spy on you?

It'll be interesting to see how the polls come out on this one.
A lot of people didn't mind tapping of calls as they didn't think it didn't involved them. I guess many make take this view again.
last edited: 5/11/06 4:04:06 PM”

“speaking of that y2, I'm interested as to your answer on my previous question: “Y2 - How should the government determine who is its "own people" and who are not? Can we base that upon geographic location?””

“And it's all in the name of counterterrorism. Brilliant!

I wish I could come up with scams like that and get away with them just as well. Why then, I'd be so filthy rich I wouldn't have to work and could just backpack all day everyday...

</sarcasm>”

“Welcome to the information age folks, the brave new world. While we still like to hold on to our dear privacy rights, caching abilities of digital networks are rendering them an endagered species. Just because no one might be interested in looking up stuff about you now doesn't mean the information won't still be there a decade or more from now.

On top of that, popular consensus appears to be that ethical concerns supercede privacy rights (ironically enough), in that if a breach in your privacy, be it accidental, legal, illegal or whatever should reveal something illicit, you're still going down, regardless of how the information was obtained.

Maybe it's for the better; maybe it's not. Quite frankly, my main concern is how do we separate enemies of the state from simple political opponents? Because you know, one's a criminal and the other's really not...”

“THE SALEBORED-TO-RUSSIAN-TO-ENGLISH TRANSLATION MACHINE
you decide which makes more sense ...

best post of the day for me. funny stuff!”

“If I were the NSA tracking phone calls, I'd be listening in on super secret conversations between the gameshow host Howie Mandel and the mysterious banker dude in the darkened upper window on "Deal or No Deal".

”

“And I'm a little embarrassed that the NSA knows who I voted for on American Idol. I feel violated.”

“On a more positive note... if I get a job with the NSA, I'd know Jennifer Aniston's home phone number. Not sounding so bad after all. Depends on which side of the fence you're playing on. Or I could spoof Brad Pitt's cell phone number so it shows up on Angelina's caller ID and talk spicey talk with her. That's it, I'm applying for a job with the NSA. That's all I can say at this time. Gotta run, can't say why. *poof*”

“Sarge thanks, now I know that english should be a second language. And , I've discovered that the true meaning of the thousands of words that passed by my eyes here have done so without the magic touch of the master.A whole new view of the world through the swirles of lava lamp literacy was all needed.”