MySpace

“Parents who let their kids use MySpace - irresponsible.

Sounds like a white-trash neighborhood.”

“Very compassionate Sarge.”

“What are you talking about? I didn't express any feelings on the girls death.

Her parents were irresponsible for letting her use MySpace, period. That doesn't mean my heart doesn't go out to them.

Personal responsibility V-man. Look it up.”

“Come to think of it, a young girl - ESPECIALLY a troubled young girl - shouldn't be using the internet unsupervised. It sounds like the parents certainly loved her very much, but made a very poor decision to let her use the internet unsupervised.”

“the meier parents certainly shouldve been stricter with their daughters internet access, especially considering her fragile mental state. but they are not the villains here

the "adults" behind "josh" are”

“Personal responsibility: posting on the internet all day on the public dime.

"White trash neighborhood" has no negative connotation to you? I don't know about where you live, but being in close proximity to a golf course isn't often considered white trash.

I guess all of your compassion is reserved for when people say mean things about you on the internet.
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“get a room, you two”

“Not villians, but irresponsible. Parents reading this story, beware. Loving your kid more than anything in the world does not make you responsible. Responsibility does not come from love, it comes from using your brain.”

“the people behind "josh" are evil fcktards who are worth less than the slime off my shoe after spending the day in a gwangju public restroom
last edited: 11/16/07 5:59:35 AM”

“Personal responsibility: posting on the internet all day on the public dime.

Anything else you know nothing about?

White trash neighborhood" has no negative connotation to you?

Absolutely it does. That was my point. What's yours?

I don't know about where you live, but being in close proximity to a golf course isn't often considered white trash.

Huh? There are neighborhoods where I live near golf courses where it's very upscale, and there are others where it is white trash. Welcome to reality there V-man.

I guess all of your compassion is used up on yourself when people say mean things about you on the internet.

You keep confusing compassion with discussing social responsibility. I can mourne the girl and feel compassion about her parents without posting it on here. That's a separate issue. How many people have read this thread and have NOT expressed compassion on this thread for the girl and her parents? Are the noncompassionate because of it, or perhaps they just feel as if it's not necessary to demonstrate to YOU their feelings. I'm discussing one aspect of this situation, a very serious one in which parents should definitely consider when they raise children. One that many irresponsible parents don't consider worth thinking about, but should. I'm trying to emphasize that kids should NOT have a MySpace account, and perhaps somebody reading this would realize that and make the decision and perhaps be a better parent for it. That's true compassion - not the fluff compassion you put on a pedastal. Style over substance is your motto. I live in the real world Vileman, not some fantasy novel of faerries and magic spells.”

“thats some sick stuff. That second link has their name, business, address, and phone number listed. I bet they are getting a heavy dose of hate mail.”

“i get the impression that all the hateful stuff "megan is fat", etc, came from the piece of sht teenage friends and the daughter of the woman who started the account. i hope they wake up every morning with a horrible black pain of guilt in their stomach for the rest of their lives
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“WTF? You mean those 22 year old chicks from Ft Lauderdale that tell me how hot I am may not be real???

Bummer.”

“Sarge, I do let my children use the internet and myspace and I am totally on top if it the whole time. The first thing I did was to place the only computer we had/have in the livingroom where it could be constantly monitored. The next thing I did was to join myspace, be all of their "friends" and their friend's "friends" and monitor it that way. Finally I hacked into my youngest child's myspace because I saw some problems in him that needed closer monitoring than I could do just by being his "friend". I get to know more about him and his friends than any parent I know and none of them know this. I've already anonymously turned one child into school counselors for self injury; now this child, (who was also drinking), is getting the help that they need; and the parents were totally unaware of it!

So don't even try to tell me I'm an irresponsible parent, I work my A$$ off to be there, involved and completely available not only to my own children but to plenty of other's kids as well.
last edited: 11/16/07 3:58:17 PM”

“I was just about to say "that's how you do it. Good job!" until I got to that little tude at the end. Good job anyways.

Although, I have to wonder, how could you have been "constantly monitoring" them, if you had to "hack" into their myspace? Something doesn't add up there. Constantly means you're there as they type. If you're not there when they type, you don't know how many other accounts they've secretly set up, or what else they are doing. (it's possible you're very good with computers and have figured out how to look for this as well, but I doubt it).

Kids don't need more friends. They need parents. The difference is kids use their friends as pace cars, they use parents as finish lines.”

“thats right, pammie. sarge knows more about raising kids than you do”

“crash - why do you constantly try to add fuel to the fire on here with me? We're having a discussion. Don't try to put words in my mouth and make it into something it isn't.”

“Pam continue doing what you are doing. you are a good parent and do not let ANYONE tell you different!!”

“Not that anyone has by the way. R.I.F.”

“just pointing out that maybe pam has a little reason to "have a little tude"”

“just pointing out that you're "putting words in my mouth" and "constantly try to add fuel to the fire" and "aren't helping any"”

“im not helping YOU”

“Nobody asked you to.




This site is amazing. Any time somebody brings up a moral issue and talks about responsibility, everybody gets offended and piles on. Most of you people are adults now. Embrace it.

It's quite possible somebody might have some advise that will do you some good. The people who "pile on" the most are the same people who #&%!$ and complain about everything, and certainly don't seem very happy to me. Pam, you've said things about your kids that literally took my breath away from the shock. I still can't believe the way you've talked about them on more than one occassion. Maybe, just maybe, you should listen to some morality. I'm not saying, nor have I said, you don't love them or are not a good parent. You're awesome for all I know. But leaving your kids unmonitored on Myspace, or the internet for that matter, is just asking for trouble. Talking trash about your kids on the internet is not what I'd consider being a good parent. You may disagree, fine, we disagree. Instead of being so defensive, maybe you could consider some moral advise for once. If you think about it and disagree, fine, go on with your life. But you seem to need help, you've cried for it on here more than once.
last edited: 11/16/07 4:57:52 PM”

“and nobody asked for your 2 cents.

you said the parents were irresponsible for letting their daughter on myspace. pam lets her kids on myspace. its not a leap at all to say that by extension, shes an irresponsible parent (according to you). i dont blame her for being a little offended.
last edited: 11/16/07 5:01:06 PM”

“but, yea. the parents made a mistake with their kid. but its easy for you and i to be a monday morning quarterback and say they shouldve done this, shouldntve done that. theyre hardly irresponsible”

“Even the best of parents make wrong choices and do things that are irresponsible. If she can't acknowledge that, then sure, let her get offended - because in that case, it won't matter anyways.”

“but, yea. the parents made a mistake with their kid. but its easy for you and i to be a monday morning quarterback and say they shouldve done this, shouldntve done that. theyre hardly irresponsible

There is nothing wrong with learning from their mistake. That IS irresponsible in my opinion. It's not in yours. Fine, we disagree. Millions of people agree with me, probably more millions agree with you. That doesn't make either one of us wrong. We can't discuss this though because you'd rather turn this into a personal attack-fest rather than a social debate.”

“i wasnt attacking you. i was attacking your credibility”

“So if you're not a politician, I don't want you talking politics, okay? Cool.

By the way, since when do you know me personally? I hear a lot of you telling me what I think on here, but rarely did I hear you ask. How do you know anything about my credibility? On here, I'm simply a construct in your mind which bears little resemblance to reality. Maybe you know more about me than I realize. Is that true? Attacking me credibility is attacking me btw. If you want to debate, debate my words and don't use ad hominems. That's simple enough isn't it? We've spent all this time talking not about the issue, but about me - thanks to you crash. Is that what you wanted? Are you trolling? I think you're a nice guy, but you're too intelligent to stoop to this level on a constant basis. It can't be fun any more. Crank it up a notch and let's have a real discussion for once.”

“crashiepooh you have mail :)~”

“Dear Crash

Just ignore Sarge. He's a mean guy. If we all get together and ignore him, we can take back trailtalk and get drunk off our asses and we won't have to listen to reason.

- mapes
(the female crash bang)

Mapleleaf - you've already said all this on trailtalk. Why email it now? And 4 minutes later (before this edit) you post on the drinking thread to tell everyone you're drinking. Classic! transparent
last edited: 11/16/07 5:18:24 PM”

“ive been discussing the topic. and i made an aside that maybe you as a childless person shouldnt be criticizing the parenting skills of others. now, im ready to move on. are you?

the meier parents made a big mistake. unfortuneately, they put their daughters happiness above her safety. whether or not thats irresponsible is subjective.

the "adults" behind the josh account are the irresponsible ones. and the teenagers who got a hold of the password and started messaging horrible things are little pieces of sht”

“i made an aside that maybe you as a childless person shouldnt be criticizing the parenting skills of others

Should you be suggesting the opposite is true as a childless person? How do you know?”

“us childless persons shoulnt be quite so judgemental. period. im not saying pam or the meier parents are responsible, either. just saying that you shouldnt be saying anyone is irresponsible

now

MOVING ON

the meier parents made a big mistake. unfortuneately, they put their daughters happiness above her safety. whether or not thats irresponsible is subjective.

the "adults" behind the josh account are the irresponsible ones. and the teenagers who got a hold of the password and started messaging horrible things are little pieces of sht¡±”

“just saying that you shouldnt be saying anyone is irresponsible
the "adults" behind the josh account are the irresponsible ones.

That combination of statements is irresponsible.
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“MOVING ON

the meier parents made a big mistake. unfortuneately, they put their daughters happiness above her safety. whether or not thats irresponsible is subjective.

the "adults" behind the josh account are the irresponsible ones. and the teenagers who got a hold of the password and started messaging horrible things are little pieces of sht”

“So what you're saying is, you are "allowed" to call people irresponsible, but I am not?”

“im not judging their parenting”

“You called the parents behind the josh account irresponsible. What gives you the right to do that, but disallows me to categorize the other parents as irresponsible?”

“see above post”

“I did. It doesn't answer the question.”

“the inevitable conclusion of a discussion with you - happens every time a thought is actually challenged
last edited: 11/16/07 5:56:16 PM”

“you asked me a question. i gave you an answer. im sorry if you dont like the answer i gave. to pursue it any further would be like a dog chasing its tail”

“I understand what your picture represents. The simple fact is you have told me that I cannot call somebody irresponsible, and then you went right on and did it yourself. I think that deserves an explanation. Saying what you didn't do doesn't answer that at all. You also didn't make my bed this morning, but that's beside the point. Are you saying that people can call somebody irresponsible as long as they don't call their parenting irresponsible? What sense is there in that. If anything, I'd think that would be a high priority for people engaged in a social debate to consider, whether or not somebody's parenting is responsible or not. Are you saying that you can call people that, but I can't? You made a case over the fact that I called them irresponsible for their actions, but you don't see a problem with you doing it. To me, that says a lot about your credibility, not mine. I think it's a valid point.”

“What I took offense at Sarge was your blanket statement that parents who let their children myspace are irreponsible parents. What I am saying is that there is a responsible way to let your children myspace. Why did I hack into Brian's myspace? Because of the bulletins he put out that were a red flag to me and of course other behaviors. When I say that I am Brian's "friend", I mean that I am Brian's "myspace friend", in real life I am Brian's parent. Huge difference. This is Kellyland and I am it's benign dictator. Everything here begins and ends with me, I have more say than my husband does. But that's only because he's clueless and lacks the strength to discipline. How much do I know about computers? How much do I know about his other accounts? =) You'd be amazed. I used my time at Office Depot with those techies very well. Do I whine sometimes? Oh hell yeah, you bet. Somedays I feel runover by circumstances and my kids and I feel weak and I let it all hang out. So I come here and whine. Generally you guys are a safe bunch to do this with. But then once in a while one of you turns on me and treats me like crap for it. Screw that. Tell me you don't have a weak day and whine once and while.
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“dang pammie you could tech us a few things or two :)

oh by the way you have mail”

“I'll let you have that last word Pam.”

“Ok mapes, I'll go look for that, thanks!

Sarge, if you have something to say, please say it. While I don't believe in people tearing each other apart here, I do believe in the debate and sharing of ideas. I believe you will find that I hold opinions as strongly as you do, but unlike some others, I won't rip you up one side and down the other for having them. However, I will stand up for myself like you just saw, I'm no candya$$ pansy.”

“Obviously, something is afoot here. I'm not sure what. And I am not going to click to find out.

Guys, just make him into a little red + box, then you won't have the s-hassle anymore.”