Iran eyes badges for Jews

“Sorry SS...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252934,00.html”

“Sorry for what?
Read my "Just In," post way up above.

I would say the jury is still out.”

“bear, the "kills Jews all over again" was refering to the history of nazi killing Jews.

Mapes, I understand your wishing to defend treebeard, and that is admirrable.
I've decided to quit turning the other cheek each time treebeard attacks me on a personal level over Fuego threads. If he doesn't want to take it, don't dish it out.”

“Sorry I was confused.







Drink anyone? I just got back from a happy hour.”

“http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19508

PRESS RELEASE: AMIR TAHERI ADDRESSES QUERIES ABOUT DRESS CODE STORY
by Amir Taheri
Benador Associates
May 22, 2006

Regarding the dress code story it seems that my column was used as the basis for a number of reports that somehow jumped the gun.
As far as my article is concerned I stand by it.
The law has been passed by the Islamic Majlis and will now be submitted to the Council of Guardians. A committee has been appointed to work out the modalities of implementation.
Many ideas are being discussed with regard to implementation,
including special markers, known as zonnars, for followers of
Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, the only faiths other than Islam that are recognized as such. The zonnar was in use throughout the Muslim world until the early 20th century and marked out the dhimmis, or protected religious minorities. ( In Iran it was formally abolished in 1908).
I have been informed of the ideas under discussion thanks to my
sources in Tehran, including three members of the Majlis who had tried to block the bill since it was first drafted in 2004.
I do not know which of these ideas or any will be eventually adopted. We will know once the committee appointed to discuss them presents its report, perhaps in September.

Interestingly, the Islamic Republic authorities refuse to issue an
official statement categorically rejecting the concept of dhimmitude and the need for marking out religious minorities.
I raised the issue not as a news story, because news of the new law was already several days old, but as an opinion column to alert the outside world to this most disturbing development.
Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.”

“I'm not even going to dignify this pathetic cretin with an answer. But, I did notice that his link has been pulled!”

“Damn tree, you are too swift for me, genius! LOL

If you would bother to read the thread, you would see that bearmag pointed out the orginal thread link no longer worked after a couple of hours and provided an alt source the first day.
As all fast breaking news story's are, it has evolved a bit as more info has become available.


So answer me this, do you not think the posibility of Iran requiring all non-muslims to wear color coded clothing by Faith is a bad thing?
I certainly do, and so does everyone else that does not wish a repeat of nazi history.
last edited: 5/22/06 9:25:58 PM”

“Mapes, I understand your wishing to defend treebeard, and that is admirrable.
I've decided to quit turning the other cheek each time treebeard attacks me on a personal level over Fuego threads. If he doesn't want to take it, don't dish it out.”
StoveStomper
6:33:21 PM
5/22/06


stove do you think before you type?
dont tell me what I am doing and why I am doing it.
you and tree can go beat the crap out of each other for all I care. tree fights his own battles even the stupid ones. like this.

i was trying to point out to YOU that there was no need to point out that it was just the jews that might have to wear it (IMHO you posted it like that because you know there are jewish people on this thread and it would get a rise ) then you had to make your nasty commmnet about libbies (once again you knew it would get a rise out of people and get more post)

i think if you had just posted the story this could have been a very interesting topic but you cant seem to do that. stovie you have turned into sarge (sorry i mean the old sarge, cause I like the new one)
you never post anything other then politcal crap. TT is so full of that crap that it is no fun. i miss the old days when you could have a nice discussion without it turning to blood shed! the name calling (ive never done that :O ) is old and childish!

I want the old TT back. heck I even miss Opie :) at least he was kinda funny.


so stoive you are to go to the corner of the room and think about what I said.


oh and yes I do ignore the politcal crap threads, but for some odd reason I try to read one in hopes that it might be a lesson and an interesting topic!

I am off to take care of my garden!@”

““Hezbollah are a Lebanese, no? I'm refering to this statement:"

Hezbollah was/is funded by Iran.”

“(sorry i mean the old sarge, cause I like the new one)

mapleleaf, you don't know what this means to me. This is such a great day. (It's too bad Stove had to go and ruin everything with this meanspirited discussion, I honestly don't know what's gotten into him lately. I think it's because his home was destroyed and he's turning into a bitter old man.)

We ought to go hiking sometime, ... just you and me. I'm much younger and handsomer than Treebeard, and have a tighter ass, so you'll definitely have a good time. Think about it.

Call me!”

“Dat you, Sarge??

And since when does Mapleleaf have a Humble Opinion??
last edited: 5/23/06 7:37:47 AM”

“I'll ignore the barb. Yes, I apparently missed something.

So answer me this, do you not think the posibility of Iran requiring all non-muslims to wear color coded clothing by Faith is a bad thing?
I certainly do, and so does everyone else that does not wish a repeat of nazi history.
last edited: 5/22/06 10:25:58 PM”
StoveStomper
10:24:34 PM

But, I'll give you the respect of a serious answer here. I'm going to assume, by the wording, that this was not a rhetorical question.

It appears that you harbor some hideously monstrous image of my personality (and other Americans that are not geared to your line of thinking) to ask some of the questions and make some of the accusations that you do. And, this one is no exception.

There are those rare times in history that we, as a civilization, are all on the same page (for the most part). I will cite 9/11 and the holocaust as two major examples (although there are many in our own country that dislike Jews enough that this bit of history doesn't bother them greatly).. In growing up, I was treated to the wisdom, as well as the horror stories, of my grandparents. These people were Ellis Island inductees of the early 20th century. Unfortunately, I never got to meet some of them. Some were not able to break away from the grips of Dachau, Auschwitz, and the like. To hear these tales first-hand from your own flesh and blood is riveting, as well as disturbing. Believe me, in all seriousness, the last thing I would want to see in my lifetime (or anyone else's, for that matter) is a repeat of this historical atrocity. I'm serious when I say that this is an issue of major concern.

Iran has always been the one that I feel we should be putting our efforts into. The nut that is running that godforsaken country is DANGEROUS! Extremely dangerous, IMO. Sadaam Hussein was not the threat that this clown is. So, when I b!tch and moan about how the U.S. dropped the ball on the Iraq debacle, that's my opinion (shared by many Americans, too). Iran needs to be watched closely.

But, back to the original question. I think my explanation above states my feeling about the significance of the issue you brought up. What frustrates me, and this is why I jump down your throat, is your insistence on inserting irrelevant associations to the people you have a personal problem with. There is no way you can tell me that there is a liberal-conservative association connected to this issue in any way. It's ridiculous. If this was just an isolated event, then I would say I am over-reacting to you. But, you do this on a consistent basis. Back off a little. The act is getting old. Perhaps, trying to raise valid points rather than the same old smug crap would suit you well. Just a suggestion.

I will take it a step further. I offer you an olive branch. I will resolve to back off the go-for-the-jugular approach. Yes, I mean it. I throw out a peace offering with one hitch. Please don't come back on me with any finger-pointing or blame. There's accountability on both sides of this. Who knows, maybe we can grow to actually like each other again. My offer stands. The ball is in your court.
last edited: 5/23/06 8:07:35 AM”

“Treebeard's Call For Civility”

“Call it that, if you will, Sarge. I'm really not that bad of a guy. I'm brutally honest, at times. Sometimes, that may come across as a bit heavy-handed...”

“I can't relate to that Treebeard.”

“I'll take that with a note of sarcasm...”

“I've often noticed that the people I sometimes have the hardest time communitcating with are the ones I'm most like. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but Sarge's comment just kinda made me think of that.”

“Every once in a while, when I'm not sitting around with God and a visiting alien or two laughing at the latest nonsense of humanity, I check in here on TT to get some good ideas for a hike with my pals Jesus and Ghandi.

I see that nothing has changed. This thread is utterly stupid. This stovestomper "guy" must be one of those bible-beaters that the big guy was telling us about the other day. What a weird thing.....deep south conservative christians have developed this "kinship" with Israel and Jews. According the man, they seem to think that this revelation crap is really going to occur and are trying to saddle up with Israel in fear that they might be left out.

HA!!! Oh my god!( he doesn't really care when you say thos ekind of things). Seems that some are even buying up property in the "holy land" so as to have front row seats for the "end times".

The big guy recommends you get out more, get laid and forget about this politics crap you seem to be fixated on. Libs, Dems, Jews, Muslims, Wookies.....who cares? The big guy doesn't. You're a bright guy with a lot of potential, but you're going down the wrong path, wasting time on-line argiung this nonsense with distant untangible people. Get busy with life...evolve.”

“I will continue to post items I find a good counterpoint to the same type violin, BB, et all, post.
A conservative viewpoint is no more evil than the liberal viewpoint.
When I start to see the same people that complain about how one sided my Fuego postings are, also complain to violin, BB, et all, I'll consider their complants more valid.

We will see if treebeard can refrain from his go-for-the-jugular approach.”

“All conservatives are evil on a treehugger website.”

“Sarge, when I first started coming to TT, there was only one conservative voice, stratdude.
He was treated like he was pure evil, called every foul name in the book, and crapped on by a gang of liberals.
He's left TT.”

“We will see if treebeard can refrain from his go-for-the-jugular approach.”
StoveStomper
11:43:41 AM

And what about you?”

“Treebeard, as always, I will refrain from calling you foul Southern slurs, telling you to go suck treebeard's di*ck, and various other obscene things.

I can be civil, but like I said, I'm done with turning the other cheek when I'm attacked on a personal level.

If you stop, I will have no reason to respond in kind.

The balls in your court.
It's up to you.”

“I guess that's as close to being conciliatory as you are going to be. No problem, I won't try to make you out to be a racist either.
last edited: 5/23/06 11:17:06 AM”

“As a purely objective outside observer, I concur that Treebeard is the one who needs to make the changes and not point the finger. His vulgarities and harsh words overpower any message he may have, and bring the conversational level down to where nobody wants to be. It's time Treebeard take responsibility for his own actions.”

““As a purely objective outside observer


You have to be kidding!”

“Sarge=god”

“LetsGoGetKrunkDawg=troll”

“Really? I never realized that, Sarge! ;-)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
..and one of the less bright or entertaining ones at that.”

“I put him on ignore right after I typed that. Seems to have no purpose...”

““I will continue to post items I find a good counterpoint to the same type violin, BB, et all, post.
A conservative viewpoint is no more evil than the liberal viewpoint."

So SS would you say that being the “conservative Violin” or the “Conservative BB” is really something to aspire to and be known as? (shiver)”

“On the other side....believe it or not I use a Lebanese Barber, yep been in this country 3 1/2 years. Great guy, VERY Moslem, two weeks ago he left the shop he was in and went out on his own.
Sadly one of the little minds at the old shop called the FBI, and there they were on his front porch (high heels and all No doubt) demanding to know if he made anti semitic and anti American statements.
Truth is, the guy wants to MAKE MONEY, he loves the freedom here...he is going to start dating a ..Jewish (Isreali girl (I posit that this is a wierd revenge thing...but who knows (LOL))
I am expecting a call from a bud at FBI today if they want to check him out. I expect to be on the phone long enough to ask my usual,"So on a intel gathering op, do you guys have to wear ankle length dresses or can you get away with the Knee length skirt and blouse combo?" (LOL)”

“"Truth is, the guy wants to MAKE MONEY, he loves the freedom here...he is going to start dating a ..Jewish (Isreali girl)"

Well lets hope this doesn't work out. :(”

“Nigal, Nigal, Nigal.....

You left out the most important line:

When I start to see the same people that complain about how one sided my Fuego postings are, also complain to violin, BB, et all, I'll consider their complants more valid.”

“Remember when the Pentagon said it was going to scrap the program to plant false stories in foreign papers? Some folks couldn't see the harm in fooling foreigners. Can anyone now see how planting a false story in... say a Canadian paper... might help whip up war hysteria in this country?

Thanks for being a useful idiot Stovie. You're serving the devil quite well
last edited: 5/26/06 11:57:04 AM”

“I note you haven't bothered to retract your post.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196852,00.html
[...]
Douglas Kelly, editor-in-chief of the National Post, ran a lengthy Page 2 column in Wednesday's editions explaining that the story was based on a column by Amir Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, and two expatriate Iranians living in Canada.

"We acknowledge that on this story, we did not exercise sufficient caution and skepticism, and we did not check with enough sources," Kelly wrote. "We should have pushed the sources we did have for more corroboration of the information they were giving us."

He noted the newspaper believed it had confirmation of the story from the Simon Wiesenthal Center — which later told the paper it had not independently confirmed Taheri's allegations — the Iranian exiles and then a no-comment response from the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa.

"We apologize for the mistake and for the consternation it has caused not just National Post readers, but the broader public who read the story," Kelly said.
[...]”

“The rest of the story ...

PRESS RELEASE: AMIR TAHERI ADDRESSES QUERIES ABOUT DRESS CODE STORY
by Amir Taheri
Benador Associates
May 22, 2006

Regarding the dress code story it seems that my column was used as the basis for a number of reports that somehow jumped the gun.
As far as my article is concerned I stand by it.
The law has been passed by the Islamic Majlis and will now be submitted to the Council of Guardians. A committee has been appointed to work out the modalities of implementation.
Many ideas are being discussed with regard to implementation,
including special markers, known as zonnars, for followers of
Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, the only faiths other than Islam that are recognized as such. The zonnar was in use throughout the Muslim world until the early 20th century and marked out the dhimmis, or protected religious minorities. ( In Iran it was formally abolished in 1908).
I have been informed of the ideas under discussion thanks to my
sources in Tehran, including three members of the Majlis who had tried to block the bill since it was first drafted in 2004.
I do not know which of these ideas or any will be eventually adopted. We will know once the committee appointed to discuss them presents its report, perhaps in September.

Interestingly, the Islamic Republic authorities refuse to issue an
official statement categorically rejecting the concept of dhimmitude and the need for marking out religious minorities.
I raised the issue not as a news story, because news of the new law was already several days old, but as an opinion column to alert the outside world to this most disturbing development.
Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.
last edited: 5/26/06 12:18:04 PM”

“You might ask yourself who "Benador Associates" and "Amir Taheri" are.

http://thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=12511


If the National Post were CBS or the NYTimes, I think I can imagine the thread titles.”

“So you are comparing them to CBS and the NY Times?”

“But when it’s CBS and their false documents Violin is more than willing to accept “It doesn’t matter if the document is false. The information in it is true.”.”

“I think we should let Barry Bonds pump himself up with steroids and take his baseball to Iran.”

“TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — It is Iran's version of "Schindler's List," a miniseries that tells the tale of an Iranian diplomat in Paris who helps Jews escape the Holocaust — and viewers across the country are riveted.

That's surprising enough in a country where hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has questioned whether the Holocaust even took place. What's more surprising is that government media produced the series, and is airing it on state-run television.

The Holocaust is rarely mentioned in state media in Iran, school textbooks don't discuss it and Iranians have little information about it.

Yet the series titled "Zero Degree Turn" is clearly sympathetic to the Jews' plight during World War II. It shows men, women and children with yellow stars on their clothes being taken forcibly out of their homes and loaded into trucks by Nazi soldiers.

"Where are they taking them?" the horrified hero, a young Iranian diplomat who works at the Iranian Embassy in Paris, asks someone in a crowd of onlookers.

"The Fascists are taking the Jews to the concentration camps," the man says. The hero, named Habib Parsa, then begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

Though the Habib character is fictional, it is based on a true story of diplomats in the Iranian Embassy in Paris in the 1940s who gave out about 500 Iranian passports for Jews to use to escape.

The show's appearance now may reflect an attempt by Iran's leadership to moderate its image as anti-Semitic and to underline a distinction that Iranian officials often make — that their conflict is with Israel, not with the Jewish people.

About 25,000 Jews live in Iran, the largest Jewish community in the Middle East after Israel. They have one representative in parliament, which is run mostly by Islamic clerics.

The series could not have aired without being condoned by Iran's clerical leadership. The state broadcaster is under the control of the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khomenei, who has final say in all matters inside Iran.

Moderate conservatives have been gaining ground in Iran, where there is increasing discontent with the ruling hardliners over rising tensions with the West, a worsening economy and price hikes in basic commodities.

The government even allowed the series to break another taboo in Iran: For the first time, many actresses appear without the state-mandated Islamic dress code. The producers wanted to realistically portray 1940s Paris, and thus avoided the headscarves and head-to-foot robes that all women must normally wear on Iranian TV.

more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i1DoYxdYKXISuFW3fYXFNistVjsg”

“So the wolf puts on sheep clothing,wonder how long that will last ?”

“I am thinking this is the beginning of the Iranian Version of Glastnost...yeah that worked good for Gorby (LOL).

Lets remember something...FREEDOM is not something that can be controlled. Once it gets in there you CANNOT stop it.”