Government Healthcare LOL

“Hey gang....so there are people who want an effective FREE MEDICINE program....COOL, lets check out the Government Version of the Keystone Cops. THE VA - screwing our veterans for their honorable service. Hearing the socialists brag about the postives of Socialized medicine is like hearning Custer tell his men not to take any prisoner.


Government at it best.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196492,00.html”

“What the hell does this have to do with socialized medicine?”

“Okay Tree...the VA is a (hold on here) G-O-V-E-R-N-M-E-N-T program...as usual VERY EFFICIENT>”

“I got the joke. I still don't see it as a commentary on socialized medicine. haven't you ever read about files being stolen from privatized businesses. IT DOES HAPPEN!”

“BTW, you needn't pour on the condescending nonsense here. My command of the English language puts yours to shame...”

“Treebeard, the first word in a sentence should begin with a capital letter.

Also, interrogatives should end with a question mark.



last edited: 5/22/06 3:38:11 PM”

“Feelings..............
Nothing more than feelings.......

Man, I hate that song!”

“There's nothing unusual about that, XL.

Heck, Government corruption is a way of life. The only difference between private corruption and government corruption is that with private corruption you can sic the government on them. How do you get compensation for government corruption? Is it effective to wait to elect better officials who then appoint more and better bureaucrats?

The poor folks whose lives were ruined by greedy Enron execs are finding that often government cannot even provide much compensation from private rip-offs.


Fannie Mae is under investigation. Stay tuned (if the media will cover the full story):

“Fannie Mae has been under investigation for three months by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), The Department of Justice, and The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO), the federal office charged with oversight of both Fannie Mae and its sister corporation Freddie Mac. Last week the SEC ruled that Fannie must restate its earnings back to 2001. Experts estimated that this could result in $9 billion in lower earnings over the four year period in question and might substantially impact its ability to meet its capital requirements. Experts, however, said that this should have no impact on mortgage rates.

Since the accounting irregularities emerged, Raines had fought hard to retain his job but said in front of Congressional investigators last fall that he would hold himself accountable if the SEC said that there were significant accounting irregularities.

According to USA TODAY, OFHEO director Armando Falcon told the Board of Directors that if they did not act he would declare the company out of compliance with its capital requirements allowing him to take unilateral action against management.

Meanwhile, several Senators and Congressmen have signaled their intention to tighten federal controls on both Fannie and Freddie which enjoy certain perks not available to their competitors. In return for these privileges, both have numerous mandates from Congress and other agencies to increase home ownership, particularly among low income and minority citizens.”


This story is only going to get uglier if we can rely on the media for the details.

The FDA has long been corrupt.

And government run Federal Flood Insurance is going bankrupt.


Of course this doesn’t surprise the leftists. Government only goes horribly wrong when their people are not in charge. Leftists continue to deny basic human motivations. They continue to deny their own motivations. Listen to their rationalized disdain of excellent examples of basic human motivations provided by Adam Smith and Ayn Rand. Deny…rationalized disdain…deny…rationalized disdain…deny…deny…deny…

Wait for some lovely examples of large government programs from Europe…wait for it…
last edited: 5/23/06 5:59:19 AM”

“Anybody here ready to support the Fair Tax? I say less government. At least if I belong to "A" Health Insurance there is a bit of a threat that my company can pull their business for idiocy like this.
I must agree in the corruption of Government. All you have to do is watch some low level flunky try and be convinced to provide proper service.
In my area we had a big debate with the Crap of Engineers. Apparently homeowners were getting fined for clearing dead trees from their property. Their elected officials went to the Local Crap leader and begged for some relief....they were told in no uncertain terms to stuff-it.
The next year we get a story that the Crap budget got slashed????HMMM WONDER WHY?
I only wished the representatives had taken the budget to the director of the Crap and pointed to the line item...and said,"By the way you can thank "Insert Name" of Augusta for this."

One way to solve this is to require a certification (like Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, hell even Mechanics, Electricians etc) for a person to practice Public Administration. If they are found incompetent, pull their certification.
We had a local EMA director who STOLE/EMBEZZELD/Walked away with something like 180,000...the county let her go, becuase she claimed she would repay the money (she did), but she is working somewhere in Florida as an EMA director.”

“wrong thread
last edited: 5/23/06 2:07:31 PM”

“Anybody here ready to support the Fair Tax

You've gotta question a tax called a "fair tax". That said, without getting into the finer details, I support it.”

“Gee arc, is FNMA a government agency?”

“Technically it went private in 1968, but rip off the agency..see who comes after you.”

“Federal National Mortgage Association:

This company was created by U.S. congress in 1938 to help the housing industry during the Depression. It turned private in 1968.

1968 Charter Act
The 1968 Charter Act split Fannie Mae into two parts: Ginnie Mae and a reconstituted Fannie Mae. Ginnie Mae would continue as a federal agency and be responsible for the then-existing special assistance programs, and Fannie Mae would be transformed into a "government-sponsored private corporation" responsible for the self-supporting secondary market operations. The reconstituted Fannie Mae was to be stockholder-owned and managed. Fannie Mae retired the last of its government stock on September 30, 1968, and transformation to a government-sponsored private corporation was completed in 1970.

The 1968 Act provided the authority to issue Mortgage-Backed Securities (MBS).

The Act also established a regulatory structure to ensure Fannie Mae's adherence to its public purpose. It provided for continuing HUD oversight of Fannie Mae, granting "general regulatory power ... to insure that the purposes of this Title are accomplished." …

… To alleviate credit concerns raised by acquisition of conventional mortgages (that lack federal backing), several eligibility restrictions and/or risk sharing requirements were imposed on the mortgages Fannie Mae could buy. The new law also required the HUD Secretary to provide prior approval of Fannie Mae's "purchase" or "dealing in" conventional mortgages (later interpreted by HUD regulations in 1995 to require specific approval of new and different conventional "programs"). …

… The Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act ("FHEFSSA") of 1992 modernized the regulatory oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It created the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight ("OFHEO") as a new regulatory office within HUD with the responsibility to "ensure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are adequately capitalized and operating safely." OFHEO is funded by assessments on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and is authorized to act without HUD oversight on a range of regulatory issues enumerated in the statute. FHEFSSA established risk-based and minimum capital standards for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And, it established HUD-imposed housing goals for financing of affordable housing and housing in central cities and other rural and underserved areas.



http://www.fanniemae.com/aboutfm/understanding/charter.jhtml?p=About+Fannie+Mae&s=Understanding+Fannie+Mae&t=Our+Charter


What do you think, Violin? Is FNMA a creature of government?






I have a personally signed first edition copy of The Fair Tax Book. I met Neal and Royal and got them both to sign it.

Have you ever read Milton Friedman's book, Free to Choose, XL? He has some very interesting things to say about professional registrations. He points out that it is another way that private interests use government to advance their own agenda by restricting market competition and artificially inflating prices. It's an interesting commentary.


Notice the media barrage about healthcare lately?

Our local “liberal” rag (NYT affiliate) has been astounding. We have been bombarded by stories relating to the growing cost of healthcare.

Our paper ran an op-ed piece, by Paul Krugman, about the positive economic benefits of government run healthcare.

The day after Krugman’s piece, our paper, ran a front page “straight news” article. Showing the media’s love of junk science (as long as it bolsters their bias) our paper reported a "scientific study" on how the English have better overall health than U.S. citizens. The article contains nothing but speculation that socialized medicine in England is better than private healthcare. So (and this is the really-really blatantly biased part) the article ends with an "expert" postulating that the reason for the difference is stress in the U.S. population caused by the fact that the U.S. doesn't have enough government run "safety net" social programs as does England.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060503/WIRE/205030325/1117/news



If history repeats itself, after a barrage of “news stories” about the benefits of socialized medicine, I expect to see “news reports” about public opinion polls showing a majority of the media’s carefully selected population sample, answering carefully worded questions, favoring government run healthcare.

Interested in documentation of this tactic, XL? Read, Journalistic Fraud: How The New York Times Distorts the News and Why It Can No Longer Be Trusted, by Bob Kohn for some great examples. Interested in documentation of the NYT tactic of bolstering opinion pieces with “straight news” stories? Read the above mentioned book as well as any of Goldberg’s books. Joseph Goebbels would be proud once again.
last edited: 5/23/06 3:46:39 PM”

“But arclite, Goldberg is a right-winged conservative newscaster and he is just trying to make the left-wingers look bad!?!?”

“Actually Goldberg has always been a registered Democrat. Then he blew the whistle on his colleagues. He paid the typical “whistle blower” price: they tried to discredit him by any means they could find. In his book, Arrogance, Goldberg talks about the unreality of the “left’s” attempts to discredit media bias by saying that the real problem is “right-wing” bias. It’s a surreal argument that was badly defended in What Liberal Media? by Eric Alterman. Now there’s an interesting read.


Only a moron believes those lies. Then again…

… I recently scanned some threads. Here is what I found:


One TT poster claims that Libertarians have more “conservative” economic views than Republicans or Democrats.

This is false. It has been discussed as false here on TT. It is shown to be false by dictionary definition. It is shown to be false by economic definition. All economists would disagree with this definition. Joseph Stiglitz, Milton Friedman, and Adam Smith specifically disagree with this definition. So ANYONE who has bothered to read my posts on TT regarding this subject, ANYONE who has bothered to read Stiglitz, ANYONE who has bothered to read Friedman, or ANYONE who has bothered to read ANY book on economics would know this is an untrue statement.


Another TT poster claimed that John Stossel doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

This is a false belief. Stossel has uncovered much true information during his career as an investigative reporter. As a matter of fact, he specifically addressed one of the subjects being discussed on the thread where this poster was lurking. Some of his information has been shown to be correct. Yet this TT poster was willing to discount true information if it had been revealed by Stossel.




In the past, I have had discussions with TT posters where their entire argument was based on information that they read in their local newspaper. Even though it is an accepted maxim that “you shouldn’t believe everything you read in the newspaper”, this TT poster’s entire argument was presented with unquestioned authority based on what he had read in his local paper.


I have had discussions with TT posters where they have never bothered to research the subject being discussed. These people were convinced of their beliefs, and felt absolutely no need to examine the validity of these beliefs by the scientific method. Everyone who went to school was taught the importance of the scientific method to human understanding.




I am a big believer in Ron white’s saying that, “you can’t fix stupid.”
last edited: 5/23/06 4:16:18 PM”

“War and Capital punishment are government programs, too.”

“pedxing likes anarchy”

“A libertarian federal government would be more conservative that either rep. or dem. That does not mean the overall government would be. State and local govs. would be more diverse and could be very liberal.”

“The peanut gallery checks in with pithy, and meaningless, remarks.




Anyone catch The News Hour tonight? I believe it was James B. Lockhart, III from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight who they interviewed.

His excuse for lack of oversight? OFHEO is small government organization that needs to expand.

WHAT A SURPRISE!!!

Give me more tax money. Let me expand my base of influence and I will fix all the problems created by this previously underfunded government regulatory agency.

I AM SHOCKED…SHOCKED I SAY
last edited: 5/23/06 8:31:45 PM”

“Socialized medicine is coming in some form or another if the Senate Amnesty bill goes forward for illegal aliens. Millions of people that have no means of paying will be swamping emergency rooms even worse than they are now under this plan. So far the government has had to bail out several hospitals on border states to keep them open. Importing poverty at the rates they are talking about will only make the problem worse so they'll have to keep the money flowing to keep hospitals open. Eventually the government will probably have to take over everything to save the system from collapse.”

“I have had discussions with TT posters where they have never bothered to research the subject being discussed. These people were convinced of their beliefs, and felt absolutely no need to examine the validity of these beliefs by the scientific method - arclite

Well no kidding! That's pretty much the default for religio-nuts everywhere! Oh, and most others, too. But the religionists excel at it...”

“We can debate conservative vs liberal all day. The Term I use for conservative is the original idea of LESS GOVERNMENT, and MORE ACCOUNTABLE government.
Sorry but right now I am feeling SICK from watching that waddling tub of good from IL, Dennis Hastert assert they are above the law. Sorry but IMHO neither the Republicrats or the Democrats are even close to what I want out of government.”

“Mutt, it's also the default for non-religio nuts who believe they are their own God. The secular humanists are every bit as good at ignoring information. In fact, most of the closed-minded people I’ve had discussions with were anything but religious.

The funny thing is, the secular humanists make the same fanatical arguments about morality that the religious fanatics do, and they have the added dysfunction acting as their own supreme moral arbiter. There’s no need for self-examination when you already have all the answers.






XL, don’t buy into the Doublespeak that’s a collusion between leftists and media (but I repeat myself).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak


I’ll state once…again:


Look up the dictionary definition of liberalism.


Then let’s look at what Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz writes on page 59 in his book Globalization and its Discontents-

“Liberalization- the removal of government interference in financial markets, capital markets, and of barriers to trade…”


Let’s go over this one… more… time. That is the economic definition of liberal. That is the dictionary definition of liberalism. It is not conservative. Every economist will tell you this. If you want further information about how leftists started using the term “liberal” to refer to their socialist economic policies, read Milton Friedman’s Free to Choose.

Helloooooo. Is anybody out there? Or are you all too busy getting your dose of Newspeak from the news?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak”

“arclite - I don't think anybody disagrees with your (or others) academic definition.

The problem is that in real life, definitions of words have changed or been misused or even purposefully redefined to the point they mean something else. This is reality. Words are just ways of conveying ideas. They are symbols. And when I or you or XL or anybody uses words on here, they tend to use words that are understood by the general public. We are not speaking to an economist, we're speaking to regular Joe's. If we were in the middle of a legal dispute, for example, it would be of interest to stick to your strict defintions, but here we are just conveying ideas that people will generally understand, assuming they keep the context of the discussion and the sentence and the word "in context". The spoken word is not a perfect system, but that is one of it's strengths. It's used to convey human thought, which is non-robotic.

There are a couple people on here, including yourself, that don't seem to understand that. It's how our means of communication works.

What you have failed to do is keep context. There has been a big trend by American politicians who generally take a liberal view of things, and are therfore termed "liberals", to spend money on any social need they think of. Therefore a liberal view of economics has come to mean one who spends lots of money on social programs. That's just how the word has evolved. It's perhaps time you come to terms with that quirk (yet useful) of our language.”

“Couldn’t disagree more with much of what you say, Sarge.

Language is a way of conveying information that follows rules. Granted, those rules can change and slang words develop. English is often referred to as a “living language” because it keeps changing. New words are added to the English language dictionaries every year.

The danger exists exactly where Orwell predicted it would. By using Doublespeak and Newspeak words loose any useful meaning. On the site I provided you, you will see:


“pretentious diction or rhetoric, and meaningless words — all of which contribute to fuzzy ideas and a lack of logical thinking.”



That’s exactly what the words liberal and conservative have degenerated into today. They are often used to convey meanings that are the exact opposite of their definitions and so they become meaningless. I prefer not to sink to that level of anti-intellectualism. Do you actually enjoy it, Sarge?

When words are used as pretentious rhetoric they become nothing more than childish bludgeons. This contributes to a lack of logical thinking. I don’t know about you, but I’d feel better if my fellow citizens understood, and used, logic.



“The basic idea behind Newspeak was to remove all shades of meaning from language, leaving simple dichotomies (pleasure and pain, happiness and sadness, good thoughts and thoughtcrimes) which reinforce the total dominance of the State.”



When people accept word definitions that have been self-servingly redefined by a group in order to make themselves appear “good”, then they give up their right to think for themselves. They accept the world as others tell them it should be.



“The underlying theory of Newspeak is that if something can't be said, then it can't be thought. One question raised by this is whether we are defined by our language, or whether we actively define it. For instance, can we communicate the need for freedom, or organize an uprising, if we do not have the words for either?... A comparison to Newspeak may arguably be seen in political rhetoric, where two opposing sides string together phrases so empty of meaning that they may be compared to the taunts young children toss back and forth. The arguments of either side ultimately reduce to "I'm good; he's bad."



“Doublespeak is “The ability to speak or write two or more contradictory ideas without the speaker or writer being consciously aware of the contradiction. Doublespeak may be, and probably is, consciously used to deceive.”



Maybe you like the deceptive use of rhetoric, Sarge. I believe that it dulls intelligent discourse. If all we’re doing is listening to ourselves talk, then I agree with your anti-intellectual assessment. If you're trying to convey intelligent ideas, it ain't workin'.




How ‘bout that socialized medicine? What a “liberal” idea.”

“Fine, just trying to help a brotha' out with a little thing I like to call "socialism".

socialism: The act of fitting into society by not pretending that normal things are inefficient, much like Dr. Spock.”

“A pedant is a person who is a formalist or precisionist in teaching or scholarship. The term comes from the Latin word paedagogare, meaning "to teach", derived from Greek terms for "child" and "to lead." The term is typically used in a negative connotation, indicating someone overly concerned with minutiae and detail.

Being called a pedant, or pedantic, is considered insulting. People who wish to make a correction often preface it with "not wishing to be pedantic, but ..." or "without being a pedant, ..." in order to indicate that the correction is made in good spirit and implies no criticism.

Pedantry can also be an indication of certain developmental disorders. In particular those suffering from Asperger Syndrome, or Higher Functioning Autism, often have behavior characterized by pedantic speech [1]. Those with Asperger tend to obsess over the minutiae of subjects, and are prone to giving long detailed expositions, and the related corrections, and may gravitate to careers in academia or science where such obsessive attention to detail is often rewarded.

Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder is also in part characterized by a form of pedantry that is overly concerned with the correct following of rules, procedures and practices.[2] Sometimes the rules that OCPD sufferers obsessively follow are of their own devising, or are corruptions or re-interpretations of the letter of actual rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedantic”

“Moron- person who considers any attempt at intellectual discussion pedantic.




Thanks, Sarge. I'll remember that the next time I have to dumb down my conversation, and explain what I mean when I say I'm a liberal, because someone refuses to educate themselves.
last edited: 5/24/06 10:42:08 PM”

“arclite - What you call dumbing down is causing you to have communication problems w/ people about these issues. Don't mistake that to think you're smarter than everyone or are more learned when it comes to these issues because from what I've seen, you're not. It also shows how subtleties of society pass over you. A smart person would have figured that out by now and adopted to their audience. Of course, if you want to continue to have semantic and grammar debates, you go right ahead. Knock yourself out. (is that an allegory?)
last edited: 5/24/06 11:02:53 PM”

“LOL - NOT NECESSARILY, Sarge

You ASSume too much.



Smart is an interesting choice of words. I wholeheartedly agree that I am quite often lacking in smarts.

And it's not just intelligence and smarts that makes people good communicators, there's what I’ve seen referred to as emotional IQ as well. I'm very empathic, but I'm also a bit of a "bull in a china shop." I often don’t spend as much time as I could, examining the impact of my words before they come pouring out of my big ol’ mouth. The saying, “you can catch more flies with honey…” often doesn’t seem to register with me. It’s a shortcoming, no doubt.

You're absolutely right, Sarge. I am a terrible communicator sometimes. I've also tried my hand at teaching professionally. I basically suck at teaching. I have very little tolerance when my students don’t catch on quickly. And part of their not catching on may be because I’m not as good a communicator as I might be.

I draw pictures in order to communicate. I’ve been told that I’m better than most, but I’ve had a long hard education on how much time and care I need to spend communicating my ideas to others through pictures and specifications.

Although I will say, Sarge, that I have some very intelligent friends. They don’t struggle to understand me. I don’t have to explain what economic liberal means to them. They add to my life by challenging my intellectual improvement.

I don’t discuss the same ideas with my wife. It would be a waste of our time. We have a whole different level on which we relate.

Maybe I spend too much time searching for signs of intelligent life in the universe. I’ve found that many people are just not interested in learning what fascinates me... and that’s pretty much everything.

You’re absolutely right, Sarge. There are many things which I do not know nor understand. Ain’t life interesting?




So… have you read Milton Friedman’s thoughts on “socialized” medicine?”

“Maybe I spend too much time searching for signs of intelligent life in the universe. I’ve found that many people are just not interested in learning what fascinates me... and that’s pretty much everything.

Couple points ...

Any subject you can name there are "many" people who are not interested in it.

I seriously doubt you go around inventing subjects to interest yourself with, more likely they are pre-existing. Since enough of it was out there for you to stumble upon, this means someone takes interest in it to some extent.

This tells me either (a) you're looking in the wrong places to find people who have similar interests, or (b) people aren't interested in having an intellectual conversation with you.

There's a project for you. Create your own sociological experiment and figure that one out. If nothing else, it should keep you busy for awhile.

(here's a hint, if you believe people in this conversation are "struggling to understand you" as you say, you're getting colder)”

“As a bit of constructive advice - if you're good at using pictures to communicate, use letter form design. Think of the Message box as your canvas.
last edited: 5/25/06 12:03:46 AM”

“Thanks for the great teaching example, Sarge.

I'm an architect. I use pictures to communicate.



‘Couple more points:

When taking the time to post to as thread about socialized medicine it’s good to have some interest in the subject.

When taking the time to post to as thread about socialized medicine it’s good to have some understanding that the subject is very much about economics.






When discussing economic issues, it’s a good thing to actually know certain terms. It just sorta’ makes conversation easier.

Sarge, you sure like to talk about things about which you have little knowledge or desire to learn.”

“Fenced dogs! bark ,bark!!”

“arclite - You have no idea how much I know or don't know about socialized medicine.”

“I can tell you that your buddy Friedman's "idea" of socialized medicine does not impress me. It's just a recycled theory from other aspects of society. People taking responsibility for their own actions because they have a greater vested interest in it is not a new concept, so I'm not at all impressed with his idea. Tax benefits are marginally important at best. There is so much he doesn't consider, like "real life". I generally accept the idea of putting ownership back on the consumer, but he takes it to the extreme ignoring the nature of our day to day lifestyles, ironically much like the opposite "socialistic" society invisioned by utopiasts. His implementation goes too far.

PS - And "no", I am not interested in engaging you in a conversation about this. In society you don't go up to people and challenge them with "you don't know about this topic, let's talk about it". You lack social skills. I believe you have a form of Asperger's.
last edited: 5/25/06 10:26:12 AM”

“Asperger's.. WHOA that’s a pretty big concept for you isn’t it, Sarge?

Maybe I do lack some social skills, but I certainly don’t care about criticism on that subject from someone like yourself. I've seen you criticized for the same thing. Not only do you appear to lack social skills, you’re just not very bright. You’re a few fries short of a happy meal.

That’s the best you can do when discussing Freidman? I couldn’t care less whether you agree with me or not, but can’t you do any better than…


“It's just a recycled theory from other aspects of society.”


…when discussing a Nobel Prize winning economist?


What are you anyway, a supply sergeant? Did something go boom by your head? You certainly don’t seem to display any attitudes that I recognize in my Christian friends. Or are you just using Christian like you use the term “liberal” and “conservative.” Meaningless words.”

“Moron- person who considers any attempt at intellectual discussion pedantic.arclite
11:11:53 PM
5/24/06

LOL!

Perhaps. Thank God I don't consider "any attempt", eh?

:x”

“didn't Jimmy Carter win a Nobel Prize? whoa!

Hey arclite - Since you're entire mission on here seems to be insulting me and others, we're all done here. Nice talking to you though. Thanks! Take care (troll).
last edited: 5/25/06 11:18:05 AM”

“Yeah, yeah, keep talking, Sarge. Someday you might say something intelligent. I don't know what you're problem is, but I bet it's hard to pronounce.


Yo momma's so ugly they filmed "Gorillas in the Mist" in her shower


I'll try being nicer, if you try being smarter.




I'd like to leave you with one thought...unfortunately I ain't sure you have anywhere to put it!”

“Just curious arclite, which one of these is you and which is your wife?

”

“Sarge, you would say,' the one on the left'.”

“hehe”

“Sarge, which one are you?



Oh wait! That's right, you don't have any pictures of yourself on here. Funny.
last edited: 5/25/06 6:20:54 PM”

“The painter.”

“Oh wait! That's right, you don't have any pictures of yourself on here. Funny.

Or do I? ...

So, so il hiker, which one are you?

”

“Wow! Arc wears a kilt? I have much more respect for him now. A kilt's hard to pull off and ya really REALLY gotta be careful after a few pints.

”

“A kilt's hard to pull off ...

Yeah, he looks real manly ...

”

“I know I've seen that shirt somewhere before. Where was it?...where have I seen it before? AH! Now I remember!!


”