Government Healthcare LOL

“OMG Sarge, that was funny!

Here I am, second frrom the left.



Here I am in the back of the canoe.



I'm not afraid to put my face here.

You?”

“Yes, I admit it. I'm afraid to put your face on here.”

“Typical.”

“Yes, you getting own3d by me is typical.”

“www.sarge.justgotowned.com

I really meant you being an internet tough guy/genius with all the answers.

What are you afraid of?”

“Awe! Looky, Sarge made a new friend! LOL!”

“I really meant you being an internet tough guy/genius with all the answers.

Why thank you! That's sweet.

What are you afraid of?

Hillary Clinton being president.”

“DnB - shhhhh!!

(it's funny how they start throwing insults around when I'm not even talking to them and then pretend like I'm the bad guy - perhaps he's gay and that's how he shows his affection?)
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“...later that day back at the boathouse...

”

“Funny how you dodge questions you don't like.
Even funnier how you polst someone else's picture to make a bad joke, when you are afraid to even put a REAL identity to your ramblings.”

“Funny how you dodge questions you don't like.
Even funnier how you polst someone else's picture to make a bad joke, when you are afraid to even put a REAL identity to your ramblings.

Not sure which question you think I don't like, but there are several people on trailtalk who know where I live, what I do in my spare time, what my name is, and .... drumroll please .... what I look like.

It's on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know. You might be an internet predator. I am.”

“LOL!

"need to know"

cool as a cucumber

coward”

“Hey "coward".

If you want to call me a coward to my face, we can certainly arrange that. I'm sure you'd agree that's a lot less cowardice than saying it online.

Let me know.”

“I'll meet you in the school parking lot @ 3:30 tough guy.

A troll is a coward, but someone who is afraid to post their pic is a tough guy.

I get it.”

“If I were a troll, this wouldn't be reality: "there are several people on trailtalk who know where I live, what I do in my spare time, what my name is, and .... drumroll please .... what I look like."

You sound like you're jealous. Are you jealous? Perhaps you could explain exactly what benefit we will derive from fulfilling your gay request.”

“I believe, we're all challenged by Sarge’s unique point of view.

If Sarge got any more stupid, he'd have to be watered twice a week. He doesn't know the meaning of the word fear - but then again he doesn't know the meaning of most words.

Personally, I’m glad Sarge doesn’t post his picture. I've seen people like him before - but I had to pay an admission...




Great pics, Dead. Notice the tartan they’re wearing? My clan was one of the four founding members of the 42nd Royal Highlanders. My military genes served me well. As you can tell, I didn’t wear my genes at the wedding. BTW- I’m the ugly one.

I wonder what Sarge’s service record was like. Him being related to Beetle Bailey and all…”

“Gay? My wife will find that funny. I'll post a picture of her if you like. (I'm not afraid)

I don't know Sarge. It might prove you aren't a 600 pound woman who's never even backpacked. It might prove you aren't some other TT'rs secret identity.

All these people you know, none of them said much when rumors were flying that your REAL IDENTITY would be revealed.”

“arclite - don't forget about your inability to communicate well. That includes being witty.

so il hiker - Gay? My wife will find that funny. I'll post a picture of her if you like. (I'm not afraid)

I am. Yeah do it. Post her picture. I'll either make fun of her or do unspeakable things. I'll let you know once I see her picture.

I don't know Sarge. It might prove you aren't a 600 pound woman who's never even backpacked. It might prove you aren't some other TT'rs secret identity.

Ok, I'll bite. Why is that important to you?

All these people you know, none of them said much when rumors were flying that your REAL IDENTITY would be revealed.

That's why THEY know things about me, and YOU don't. They're cool, you're just round and bald.
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“Talk smack about my wife?
Praise his name! The spirit is strong with you.

Why is that important?
It lends credibility to you. As far as I know everything about you is a lie.

Round and bald?
Ouch. You know how to hurt a guy.”

“Talk smack about my wife? Praise his name! The spirit is strong with you.

Oh, I'm sorry. Is talking smack about people a bad thing? Then maybe you shouldn't have begun our discussion today talking smack about me. I don't even know if your wife is real. I think you made her up.

It lends credibility to you. As far as I know everything about you is a lie.

If I were coming to you for a loan, you might have given a convincing argument. Nevertheless, that's not the case. I do have a suggestion for you though. Ask Matt to require everyone to post their picture and full name. When everyone does it, I'll either join in or leave. Until then, I'll have to assume you're obsessed with me in particular, and that will only cause further caution on my part.”

“Well, I didn't talk smack about your family. I just thought it odd that such a truechristian(tm) would even consider it.

The only smack I talked about you was how I found it cowardly of you to use pictures of people who willinly posted them here to insult them, when you don't have the gnutzack to do it yourself. It reeks of insecurity.”

“The only smack I talked about you was how I found it cowardly of you to use pictures of people who willinly posted them here to insult them, when you don't have the gnutzack to do it yourself. - so il hiker

* “Sarge, which one are you? Oh wait! That's right, you don't have any pictures of yourself on here. Funny. - so il hiker - 7:19:49 PM - 5/25/06

* “Typical.” - so il hiker - 7:53:50 PM - 5/25/06

* Funny how you dodge questions you don't like. - so il hiker - 8:35:03 PM - 5/25/06

* coward - so il hiker - 8:41:42 PM - 5/25/06

* Praise his name! The spirit is strong with you. ... As far as I know everything about you is a lie. - so il hiker - 11:33:30 PM - 5/25/06

* Tell me, oh real one... - so il hiker - 8:01:05 PM - 5/25/06

* That whooshing sound could be: A) The silence of you dodging the issue. B) The wind zipping through your scull, unobstructed. C) The earth swaying beneath your massive, 600 pound womanly frame. - so il hiker - 11:27:53 PM - 5/25/06

_____________

Or ...
_____________

The only smack I talked about you was how I found it cowardly of you to use pictures of people who willinly posted them here to insult them, when you don't have the gnutzack to do it yourself. - so il hiker

*YOU ARE NOW LEAVING THE SPIN ZONE*

Chicken - Egg

They insult me. I put their picture up.

Tit for Tat

If you weren't blinded by your political bias, you'd notice them (including you) insulting me first and would have said something to them about that. Nevertheless, here we are.”

“Ban Nigal!”

“[i]“Meanwhile, what do those of us that live in reality do?

Pay for their healthcare.”
Sarge
6:27:26 PM[/i

Looks like you adressed me first, with a condecending remark.
If you weren't blinded your political bias you would have called XL out on his less than realsitic idea, insted of making a stupid comment that didn't really adress my point. But alas, here we are.

NO SPIN ZONE? Since you stole that from a liar, can I assume you are lying?”

“BEFORE THAT answer (which was a sincere answer, and had ZERO to do with YOU, and 100% on topic), you said to me:

“Sarge, which one are you? Oh wait! That's right, you don't have any pictures of yourself on here. Funny.” - so il hiker - 7:19:49 PM - 5/25/06

OOPS! so il hiker's times setting is an hour different than mine. The time on YOUR machine would say 6:19:49 PM, 8 minutes BEFORE I posted "Pay for their healthcare.", which you seem to think is a personal insult. (The "Meanwhile what do those in reality do" comment was so il hiker's, I just copied his question and answered it, for those playing along and thought that was my condescending remark, no, it was his. - LOL) Get that foot out of your mouth so il hiker.
last edited: 5/26/06 5:26:23 AM”

“Looks like so il hiker is trying to start the day with a personal fight once again (and ended up making a fool of himself).

Can somebody explain to so il hiker how time zones work?

I'm through with you so il hiker. You've proven you just want to throw insults around. I'm not here for that. I played your game for a while, but I'm done with that. It's not funny anymore, and you're not good at it.”

“My bad on the time. I was wrong. I thought the site had a time code that was not specific to your machine. I should have looked into that further.

If you are done with me Sarge, I'll expect no replies from you. Good riddance.”

“Sarge's "secret” identity has been obvious for some time. This particular TTer is so dishonest that we can't even be sure that what he tells us are lies! The boy can’t help but keep tripping himself up. When creating trolls, he smells the coffee, but can't find the pot. Calling Sarge stupid would be an insult to stupid people.

Sarge keeps losing IQ points every time he goes to the bathroom.

Sarge says he has friends who know where he lives? That’ll be hard to confirm because any friend of Sarge’s ... is…well…a friend of Sarge’s.



The only way this Sarge fool would ever be connected to a Police Department would be by a pair of handcuffs. This idiot never served his country except to take up space and pay taxes. I’ll bet Sarge, can’t even tell us what was his military rating.”

“Glad you admit that you started the personal attacks so il hiker. At least you did that much.

arclite - You do realize that there are people on this site who know who I am, and to all those people you just make a fool of yourself, right?”

“Let’s look at a “classic” Sarge quote from the Another responsible NRA member thread.

“If I'm in battle, I sure as heck on't want a single-shot peashooter. (nor will that be what I have, regardless of what laws they pass)”



“Peashooter?” Sounds like someone is trying to play Army here. This sounds like someone who got his dialog from watching John Wayne movies.

I didn’t know the military issued single-shot peashooters. What was your issue sidearm, Sarge? What autos do you prefer? Please, oh pretty please, expound on your collection of weapons.

You won’t even answer a simple question like, what was your rating? How transparent of you.”

“arclite - What is transparent is:

1. You are trying to get personal information out of me by "challenging" that I won't give it.

2. You are more interested in playing childish personal attack games than discuss the issues.

3. You haven't followed my posts enough (in the past) to have an intelligent conversation about who I am, why I'm called "Sarge", what I did in the military, or what information I have revealed about myself on here. All of the questions you asked are answered on this website if you care to look for it, so there goes your hypothesis that I won't answer simple questions. The real question you should be asking is why won't I answer YOUR questions when you ask them. What about you makes me not want to reveal personal information to you just because you ask for it? Perhaps it's your Asperger's?

4. Without giving too much away (again, all your questions are answered on this website), it's ironic the one thing you challenge is my knowledge of military weapondry. Maybe you can put so il hiker's other foot in your mouth.”

“So il hiker, Sarge has posted his photo here bfore. We all know what his real name is, where he lives and where he works. He is inflamitory at times but he is not a troll. He's simply a real person who likes to troll sometimes. LOL!

This is Trail Talk. It's a free for all kind of place. If ya can't thiken up your skin and take off the dress you'll find little joy here.”

“NOthing to do with this fight..but arclite..I know why I liked your trail name (LOL)

http://www.fdevault.net/HW_silde/Aircraft/ArcLight.htm

These guys used to fly so high they had a computer onboard to calculate the rotation of the earth. From my instructors (years ago) they told that when the 52's dropped you didn't hear ANYTHING..until the world blew up. (LOL) nothing more fun than watching the TARGETs get hit by a 2000 lb bombs. Heck if you were in a bunker within 100 yards...it still blew your organs up.”

“"My clan was one of the four founding members of the 42nd Royal Highlanders."

Quite a proud heritage you have there. Me? I’m a Euro-mutt with about 1/8th Cherokee thrown in. I’m very confused. I don’t know whether to steal my own land or demand my neighbors land?”

“Me too Dead. I’m part Lakota. I am so confused.



LOL, XL. I AM RELENTLESS!!! At least that's one word for it.



Yo XL (or maybe Dead?), would you like to explain to ol’ Sarge-boy why he doesn’t have a rating, or should I? Mr. Peashooter probably served during the Trojan War and can't remember. He sure is a tough guy. And he sure seems to know his " military weapondry."

Sarge’s Red Herring insults are pretty windy, but ineffective… soldier boy…oh our little soldier boy.”

“Why don't you do it arclite? Maybe if you didn't wear a dress you wouldn't need other people to fight your battles for you which you started with childish name calling. Wow! A real scholar! You're so wise, can I kiss your feet, or does your own foot kissing meet your needs?

If you need XL or DnB to help you, so be it. I sorta doubt you'll get the response you're expecting though.”

“LOL! I have been down in the mud with arc myself (is there anyone I haven't been down there with?) and he is more than capable of going the intellectual route or the verbal sucker punch route.”

“This appears to be a wonderful discussion about government healthcare. Quite enlightening! I feel learned now. I wish I had this resource back in college when I had to write a paper on the subject.”

“For the record, because I know everyone deeeeeply cares, I used to be adamantly anti-government healthcare, and now I don't think it's a bad idear. Despite our taxes going up to pay for it, it would spur economic growth and make up for the costs ten-fold because so many entrepreneurs and people who would otherwise start their own business ventures simply can't afford to do it currently with the cost of healthcare without being part of a group plan through their company. I find myself in that boat... I would jump on the full-time adventure photography thing right now, but as the sole supporter of my family I can't take the risk or expense of healthcare benefits to start my own company. Eventually I will be able to do it, but on a much slower scale. It's a shame that what limits talent and entrepreneurism in this country from really taking off is simply healthcare.”

“Buck, I am sorry but getting the government involved in a private business and expecting it to get better is like turning your savings over to an embezzler because he knows how to handle money.”

“XL, I used to think that, but lately I have seen/experienced very BAD medical practices AND the costs are seriously out of control. I don't hold our current system in high regard (and I used to, believe me). I think a universal government run health care system would be good for individuals and our economy. Nothing will change my mind about this because I use to argue against national healthcare and I'm no fan of government run programs... but what I've seen lately has certainly and firmly changed my mind.”

“Nice to see ya here, Buck. I’ve actually had second thoughts myself. Some of the arguments make reasonably good sense. Krugman had some interesting thoughts in his op-ed piece.

But I’d like to hear (and of course read) before I change course entirely. I have a strong philosophical and logical (backed by observation) block against socialism. I wouldn’t mind if the politicians would cut something else out of their bloated bureaucracy. But once they’re established, government programs grow like viruses.

The question for me has always been, what makes healthcare so expensive now? Friedman has some very compelling arguments that government intervention has already caused healthcare to skyrocket. And as government has gotten more and more involved in healthcare over the years, the cost has risen dramatically.

Healthcare cost is really one of the most interesting problems of our time. It’s quite a complicated piece of work.






Sarge, when it gets to the point that I can predict someone’s excuses for evasion, it’s obvious that they’re hiding. Because I’ve met clairvoyants, and I’m no clairvoyant.


Here’s a simple question, Sarge: If I had an E-5 rating, what am I (besides a giant tick burrowing up your hindparts)?”

“oops, double post.
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“Having experienced both, if you have great healthcare plan in the US it provides you with a nicer and perhaps even better level of care. If you have a moderate plan then sickness can become very expensive and even more complex to deal with.

A visit to your doctor here is a much nicer experience. Rooms are nicer (and you typically don't have to mix with the riff raff ;o) ). If you go to a decent hospital then the care is great - you get your own space and probably some of the best care available.

I think part of the problem here is that things have become so complex.

When my mother developed terminal cancer - the level of care was fantastic. There were no worries about the cost of treatment, the cost of the drugs, who was going to pay for it, when she would receive it. She was even given the support in the community which allowed her to pass away at home with her family, (she always hated hospitals). I would have hated to deal with this had she had my current health provider which seemingly requires permission for me to drive past a hospital.

The system in the UK is perhaps better at preventative care (hence those stats you label as socialist propaganda Arclite) - the system in the US will maybe offer you a better chance of recovery, should you have the right cover - but you will have to jump through hoops to get it.”

“Can I send you an "Impeach Bush" bumper sticker Buck, or is it still a bit early?”

“"Buck, I am sorry but getting the government involved in a private business and expecting it to get better is like turning your savings over to an embezzler because he knows how to handle money.”

Agree, but, unfortunately, what a lot of folks don't know is that the money has already been turned over.

The reason gov't is takin over healthcare is because they pay for so much of it. Add up Medicare, NMedicaid and the raft of other, less well-known programs, and you'll find that the gov't is the biggest payer, by far, in the HC world.

So... guess what... we're going to end up with National HC whether we like it or not, whether it's better for the masses or not, and it's all but a done-deal.

And... I have to admit I don't see any way around it! Yes I am a fiscal conservative, yadda yadda yadda, but there are just waaaaay too many people who need basic healthcare & can't get it any other way than gov't=sponsored... and one of the huge drivers in delivery costs is asking a physician office to do the incredible amount of paperwork they need to do to file / track claims from a zillion different insurerers, plus the gov't, etc.”

“It's too late to impeach Bush. VOTE HILLARY!”

“Y2, I am very sorry to hear about the way that your mother passed. That isn’t a pleasant experience for anyone and I am sorry for your loss.

I signed up for long-term healthcare a number of years back. Because I was still (relatively) young, my premiums are not high. And it should protect me in case of catastrophic health problems.


“The system in the UK is perhaps better at preventative care (hence those stats you label as socialist propaganda Arclite)”
Y2

The key in this statement, Y2, is perhaps. Perhaps is speculation. Now I’m sure that were you to write a news article on the subject maybe could rise above the ethical standards of both judges and doctors in order to keep your own personal bias out of your story, but I seriously (actually laughingly) doubt it.

I’m not sure what you mean by the second part of your statement. Are you referring to a post I made on another thread about an article in my paper? If you are, then let’s get real and logical: I never said the statistics shown in the (junk) science report were propaganda. What I clearly said was that nothing about the superiority of the two different healthcare systems could be proven. But THEN the writer had the audacity to get the speculative opinion of one (and only one) “expert” who backed the usually suspect media position on socialist programs. If you didn’t understand that, perhaps your bias was clouding your logic.

My doctor does great preventive work. In fact the guy is so conscientious about preventative medicine that he drives me nuts. I hate taking medicine. I would much rather use a natural cure like exercise or change in diet. Fortunately I still take my physical condition reasonably seriously. I’ve been able to exercise my way out of medicines he had me taking just because I had risk factors for future health issues.

I’ve chosen to work someplace that provides healthcare. And I am fortunate enough that there are places providing healthcare that will hire the skills that I worked to acquire. We all make choices in life. The English have chosen an annual economic growth rate of 0.3% from 1998-2003 (and a per capita GNP of $25,120) compared to the U.S. rate of 1.1% (and a per capita GNP of $34,280) of growth. And that U.S. rate of growth is atypically low. I guess it’s a good thing to have healthcare for your citizens when your country’s economy sucks and the vast majority of those citizens can’t afford not to be on the government dole.


“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”

Sir Winston Churchill


The amount of people who actually “need” a social safety net is much lower that the safety net the leftists “want” to provide everyone with.






About Buck’s issue, I’d love to see what the comparative rate of business start-ups is for England, France, and the U.S. Buck are you saying that you think the start-up rate should be better in those countries?”

“arclite, I don't know about other countries, especially ones that are "socialist" to begin with, but here in the U.S. I have a feeling that many more talented people would risk striking out on their own if it weren't for the worry of health coverage for their families. And when people with good business ideas are free of the restrictive and paralyzing concern of health coverage, they could create more tax revenue through their own business, and more jobs for other people, instead of people congregating towards big organizations that provide the best health benefits. It's like making sure you have decent health benefits is a huge driving force in this country, at the cost of throwing away good talent and good old fashioned entrepreneurial spirit. If that weren't such a huge, overwhelming concern, good things could happen with the American drive and spirit. It's just gotten ridiculous now. And I'm not impressed with the quality of care provided. I think way too many doctors are more concerned about taking vacations every few weeks than they are with their patients. I'm not just thinking out loud, I have been experiencing this with both my parents as we speak. And as far as I'm concerned, quality of care and insane out-of-control expenses are only going to get worse with the current health care system. If it's gonna be expensive and such, well, the gov't might as well do it. Ha! Plus, even in my own situation, if it weren't for me having to pay many hundreds of dollars every month, I could immediately follow my passions and what I do best, but instead I have to try and make enough, gradually on the side, until I can afford to pay insane amounts for a family policy on my own. If it were built into existing taxes and not tied to corporate employment and allowed more freedom of movement, I would vote for that in a heartbeat.”

“Yeah, I hear your frustration. It is a complex issue.

I did a quick search; however, and found this:


The site talks about the difficulty in measuring entrepreneurial growth in different countries. But with this preliminary data, it doesn’t appear as if government healthcare is of any benefit to business start-ups.


http://www.ebst.dk/publikationer/ivaerksaettere/entrepreneurship_index_2004/html/chapter03.htm


Start up rates in U.S. vs. Europe

Luxembourg
Norway
Denmark

Only these three European countries have higher start-up rates than the U.S.



Share of new firms with a growth rate higher than 60%, 2000-2002

U.S. – 15.5
U.K.- 8.5
France- 4.0



Country Performance – Entrepreneurial Activity

Korea
U.S.

This is a composite of the previous two statistics. Every European (government healthcare) country fell way behind the U.S.
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