Government Healthcare LOL

“

The Y2 Breakfast of Champions”

“Ha Ha.”

“XL, caught with the milky bowl.”

“Like a recipient of gov't-provided healthcare b!tching about gov't-provided healthcare, hmmmm.

Why not be consistent and cancel it? � Be like one of those Business Entrepreneurs you guys say are the backbone of the country and pay some insurance company $500+ a month out of your own pocket?

It's a deadly sin to be a drain on the economy ---- remember?


See if you can get a job with big pharma like Billy Tauzin.

”

“I wonder if Tilt sends Uncle Sam extra cash each year to help with the deficit.”

“Tilty...I explained it before but I do not get Government Health Care...its Blue Cross just like any other business. I get the health care I have because I paid with long hours in College, Graduate School and hundreds of additional training hours a year. I get it becuase I am willing to work the 100 hour weeks. I get it because I don't look at a clock but rather to accomplish a mission.

OH but it also came with a "job"...sorry never know if you have one of those it might help.”

“tiltypoo still unemployed?”

“And who picks up the bulk of the premiums paid to Blue Cross XL? That would be the taxpayer right?
last edited: 1/30/08 8:01:59 PM”

“y2 is against the gov. interfering now?”

“Here is an interesting story.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1002/health.html”

“What - you mean a 41,000 patient waiting list is worse than 40,000,000-50,000,000 without insurance?”

“40,000,000-50,000,000 without insurance


.... which receive "free" care?


(oops, you left that off y2)”

“"tiltypoo still unemployed?"

Ha ha, look who's talkin'?

100 hours per week?
That leaves 68 hours to eat, sleep and schit.
No time for the family?
There's always mother#&%!$ers' little helpers!
Pills to get up, pills to sleep..............
Go Elvis!!”

“Big Pharma seems to be having all kinds of problems with their stock prices-has the truth started leaking from the seams of secrecy?”

“Here is a nice story from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/business/04view.html?ex=1351828800&en=7abf86ba1f3f353d&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

BTW, when was the last time anyone around here had to wait 3-6 months to go into the hospital?
last edited: 1/31/08 4:49:25 PM”

“WOW... WOW... Did you libbies / socialists READ this??? An Article by the left-wing NYTimes has FINALLY has stepped up & assessed the REAL healthcare issues!

Some highlights:

1. STATEMENT 1 The United States has lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than Canada, which has national health insurance.
The differences between the neighbors are indeed significant. Life expectancy at birth is 2.6 years greater for Canadian men than for American men, and 2.3 years greater for Canadian women than American women. Infant mortality in the United States is 6.8 per 1,000 live births, versus 5.3 in Canada.
These facts are often taken as evidence for the inadequacy of the American health system. But a recent study by June and Dave O�Neill, economists at Baruch College, from which these numbers come, shows that the difference in health outcomes has more to do with broader social forces.
a recent study by June and Dave O�Neill, economists at Baruch College, from which these numbers come, shows that the difference in health outcomes has more to do with broader social forces.
For example, Americans are more likely than Canadians to die by accident or by homicide. For men in their 20s, mortality rates are more than 50 percent higher in the United States than in Canada, but the O�Neills show that accidents and homicides account for most of that gap. Maybe these differences have lessons for traffic laws and gun control, but they teach us nothing about our system of health care.

2. Americans are also more likely to be obese, leading to heart disease and other medical problems. Among Americans, 31 percent of men and 33 percent of women have a body mass index of at least 30, a definition of obesity, versus 17 percent of men and 19 percent of women in Canada. Japan, which has the longest life expectancy among major nations, has obesity rates of about 3 percent.

3. Infant mortality rates also reflect broader social trends, including the prevalence of infants with low birth weight. The health system in the United States gives low birth-weight babies slightly better survival chances than does Canada�s, but the more pronounced difference is the frequency of these cases. In the United States, 7.5 percent of babies are born weighing less than 2,500 grams (about 5.5 pounds), compared with 5.7 percent in Canada. In both nations, these infants have more than 10 times the mortality rate of larger babies. Low birth weights are in turn correlated with teenage motherhood. (One theory is that a teenage mother is still growing and thus competing with the fetus for nutrients.) The rate of teenage motherhood, according to the O�Neill study, is almost three times higher in the United States than it is in Canada.

4. STATEMENT 2 Some 47 million Americans do not have health insurance.
This number from the Census Bureau is often cited as evidence that the health system is failing for many American families. Yet by masking tremendous heterogeneity in personal circumstances, the figure exaggerates the magnitude of the problem.
To start with, the 47 million includes about 10 million residents who are not American citizens. Many are illegal immigrants. Even if we had national health insurance, they would probably not be covered.
The number also fails to take full account of Medicaid, the government�s health program for the poor. For instance, it counts millions of the poor who are eligible for Medicaid but have not yet applied. These individuals, who are healthier, on average, than those who are enrolled, could always apply if they ever needed significant medical care. They are uninsured in name only.
The 47 million also includes many who could buy insurance but haven�t. The Census Bureau reports that 18 million of the uninsured have annual household income of more than $50,000, which puts them in the top half of the income distribution. About a quarter of the uninsured have been offered employer-provided insurance but declined coverage.

5. STATEMENT 3 Health costs are eating up an ever increasing share of American incomes.
In 1950, about 5 percent of United States national income was spent on health care, including both private and public health spending. Today the share is about 16 percent. Many pundits regard the increasing cost as evidence that the system is too expensive.
But increasing expenditures could just as well be a symptom of success. The reason that we spend more than our grandparents did is not waste, fraud and abuse, but advances in medical technology and growth in incomes. Science has consistently found new ways to extend and improve our lives. Wonderful as they are, they do not come cheap.”

“Nice opinion piece from the NYT.

N. Gregory Mankiw is a professor of economics at Harvard. He was an adviser to President Bush and is advising Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, in the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

And of course insurance always agrees to pay for any treatment.”

“Wow - do any of you wackos - that's you Wanderer - even bother to pay attention to what you're reading?”

“Actually, to be fair MildBill, the speed and quality of treatment you receive if you have the right coverage is one of the strengths of healthcare in the US. Any reform should try to keep that.

I don't think anyone is arguing for huge changes in healthcare - just for ways to improve the present system.”

“Y2, first of all, you owe me an apology, I AM NOT A WHACKO, I am an informed person who has worked in the healthcare industry for over 30+ years.

Do YOU ever pay attention to what you're reading?, WHAT, SPECIFICALLY, is incorrect about the article referenced?”

“Just because someone happens to be an advisor to a politician you don't agree with doesn't mean that their information is incorrect.

AGAIN, WHAT IS INCORRECT in this article? TELL US YOUR FACTS.

AND, if you can't find any incorrect data, thenm I will patiently wait for your apology in calling me a whacko for pointig out valid `data as published in a left-wing paper, the NYT!


N. Gregory Mankiw is a professor of economics at Harvard. He was an adviser to President Bush and is advising Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, in the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

And of course insurance always agrees to pay for any treatment.�
Y2
3:11:13 PM
1/31/08”

“Well Wanderer - hate to tell you this, I know it'll be a shock...... but starting your posts like this

WOW... WOW... Did you libbies / socialists READ this?

makes you ....

1) a moron
2) a wacko

So maybe try not beginning you posts like that and you won't look like such a fool.
last edited: 1/31/08 5:26:42 PM”

“Y2, I'm a little pizzed that you're calling me a "whacko" for simply pointing out that even a left-wing paper like the NYT has published an article that addresss specific points re healthcare in the U.S.

I know the healthcare industry in pretty great detail having workied in it for over 30 years.

1. How long have YOU worked in the US healthcare industry? (Oh, you don't work here... well... where are you getting your FACTS? (Not your "opinions", #&%!$, your FACTS!")

2. The information presented in the article I referenced may not be what you want to hear, and it may not be what your pre-concieved notions tell you, BUT THEY ARE FACTS! Would your beloved NYT publish something if it weren't true? AND, just because someone is an advisor to Republicans does that make their informatiion incorrect?”

“I don't think anyone is arguing for huge changes in healthcare - just for ways to improve the present system.”

I agree.”

“I'm calling you a Wacko for starting your post with:

WOW... WOW... Did you libbies / socialists READ this?

It kinda taints anything else you post.

The 'facts' are all debatable. They're mostly opinion with some selective use of evidence.

1) list of excuses - yes we die more, but it's really something else to blame.
2) Is a selective use of examples that doesn't really deal with the full picture
3) Another excuse, but doesn't account why US spends more than 5% more of it's GDP on healthcare than other western nations.”

“So by your point there - if I find someone who has worked in healthcare for 31 years and thinks the present system is deteriorating then you'll agree with them.”

“The 'facts' are all debatable. They're mostly opinion with some selective use of evidence.
Y2
3:37:21 PM
1/31/08


Which points are debatable?”

“Seriously wanderer - you need to work out the difference between facts and opinions.

What was it the other week, you wouldn't accept that greed was a relative concept. You claimed that unions were being greedy and that was a 'fact'.

Just because you believe something that doesn't make it a fact.”

“y2 is so silly.”

“Ok Wanderer - maybe I was a bit harsh - but when you see people ranting and raving against libbies and socialists, like the three amigos on this site - more often than not they're full of #&%!$.

They're more interested in trying to ridicule people who don't share their opinions than in the issues themselves.

It seems to stem from talk radio, as they seem 'libbie' obsessed too.”

“[img]interested in trying to ridicule people who don't share their opinions[/img]

Silly y2 doesn't see hisself.
LOLOLOLOLOL”

“y2, you are the dumbest fuegoite. Pleaze don't waste more bandwidth. I'm not joking. Please know this is fact. Accept it, and move on.

You are a broken record. I'm not screwing around. All you've got to talk about is other posters opinions, and a rewording of a single solitary lonely opinion... That you hate America because you think it sucks.

socialism never works w/ over about 2 dozen people. Stay out of OUR business and mind YOUR own.”

“WAIT JUST A DAM% Minute...Y2....Wanderer just said he WORKS in the industry, you have Zip Zero NADA experience in the industry ....(I have been waiting for years to do this) YOU NEVER SERVED IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY...therefore using YOUR OWN LOGIC you cannot comment...WHAHAHAHAHAAHAH.”

“Wanderer, what do you do in the health care industry?”

“NImble....how dare you question someone about WHAT they do....asking for clarification of their histury you just hate the HEROIC men and women serving in the Health Care industry.”

“I know, how brazen of me:) I had 27 years in that particular industry and, after having retired and gone back to school, another 5 years in a health care related industry. That's 32 years. I had a high level of expertise in what I did, but would never extrapolate that to all things health care related. So, it seems a valid question.”

“My experience is "gift wrapping and delivery " (LOL).

All I know is if we could find a way to thin out the useless fraud, I am betting there would be SLEWS of money. But you probably know better than me.”

“Agreed on the fraud. Shoot 'em like the rest of the white collar crooks.”

“Nah. Nimble I say when they get caught in defrauding the Government (us who pay taxes in essence) they lose all right to government assistance for LIFE.

If they go back into the ER, and cannot pay, we put em on a gurney and roll them out the door. If they die, they die.....WGASA”

“Now this is funny. I assumed you were talking about the fraudulent white collar professionals and you were actually talking about Yolanda. I guess between us we got the whole spectrum covered, lol.”

“White collar too...we had a HUGE medicare scandal in Georgia...I think those clowns should go down too. If he or she gets out...they lose all government benefits. If they have government "investments" we sieze them to pay the costs of prosecution.”

“Apply that to military contractors and they'd all be hiding in Pakistan. Collect your fire engine money from the insurance cos directly and have the military get paid by the Corporations that are stealing the oil. Let's apply the rules to all things evenly.”

“I am trying to diagram that bizarre statement sale.

so all military contractors are stealing ....who is paying them? I assume most are not using weapons to TAKE the money but seeing as how they are getting paid..who is paying them?

Fire engines money from the Insurance Companies....oh you mean like when BEN Franklin set up his fire service? (LOL)

And besides the UNITED NATIONS...what corporation is stealing the oil? And what pray tell are they doing with the stolen oil? I mean its not like you can keep it in the wall of your house....”

“Anything to redirect your nonsense babble, but it appears you're losing the battle against the downtrodden - when you gona throw in the towel pal?”

“Sale didn't say ALL military contractors are stealing, but a lot of them are.”

“And Nimble I agree, part of my job is enforcing Contracts for Construction. And yes I can be an ass but then Its sorta my money.

I think there is a significantly larger percentage of waste in the "free money" industry than ever the Government Contract business.

I remember one of the most wasteful programs from the 1980's was the Sgt York anti aircraft weapon. Essentially we took an inaccurate inexpensive piece of Soviet equipment and made it an inaccurate EXPENSIVE piece of American Equipment...and the thing that kept it alive was?????(ANYONE?????) The congressional/Senate district power.

You want to change that? Get a law passed that will "restrict" who can vote on bills with funding coming to their districts. Instead of these "pork bills" for everyone. Make each bill a stand alone issue.

If Congress is voting on the Harvey Walbanger Weapons System....the leaders who push it will be automatically banned from it being built in their district.
last edited: 2/01/08 12:38:56 PM”

“I'm with you on that. As a health care administrator I routinely dealt with contractors. I was offered everything from blow jobs to bucks for someone to get the edge on a bid. They didn't get the edge and, sadly, I didn't get the blowjob.”

“Nimble. years ago we had a female contractor who had WAY underbid a job. She was rather attractive and had "exceeded" by her own personal capability (if you get my drift).


She tried to sling it to me and my boss. No go...and I am damn glad I didn't> Apparently about 2 months later a friend of mine who was a General..took it..and spent a few weeks under a doctor's care.”

“Well I'm putin' 'Sicko' back in for another watch. Netflix last night, so this'll be the second watch -with the fast forward Under My Thumb.”

“ROTFLMAO

AH YES government excellence in action

http://www.thelocal.de/10695/20080314/

Granny victim of colostomy confusion
Published: 14 Mar 08 14:48 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/10695/

German authorities said on Friday they are investigating an incident medical of malpractice involving an elderly woman in Bavaria, who has mistakenly received a colostomy instead of a leg operation.

LOL the great part is since this is GOVERNMENT FREE MEDICAL CARE...I don't think she can sue for malpractice....”