Israel Strikes Back!

“Hot Damn - Israel is starting to open a can of whoopass on the Pali terrorist scumbags:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201241,00.html

Report: Israeli Planes Attack Bridge in Gaza, Tanks on Move
Tuesday, June 27, 2006


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Israeli planes attacked a bridge in northern Gaza late Tuesday, Israel Radio reported, and Israeli tanks were said to be on the move, possibly signaling the start of a military operation.”

“(I hope this doesn't just fizzle out)”

“It's about time they got some balls. Since Omert came to Washington begging money to expell more Jews from Jewish land over 200 Kassam rockets have hit Israel with no reaction.”

“LOL....Isreal will win, they don't have our Congress or our Media”

“Sadly Israel will fight for a stand still. They are not fighting to win. They pander to the nations.”

“RIGHT YOU ARE NIGAL. I always wondered what would happen if say we shut down the UN building in NY? Hey we need the office space for the people displaced in the WTC attacks.
Then we pay to move the UN to....Lebanon. Yeah thats it. Let MUKTAR BABALLOOLA from Yutzba get the feeling for his loving Islamic Fascists. Maybe if they get to experience first hand the uncivilized behavior of the Islamic Terrorist (can't have one word (terrorist) without the other lately). They might start to see Isreal's plight.”

“No other country in the world would put up with what Israel does. If a border town in America had an average of 15 rocket attacks A DAY from our neighbor what would happen? We sure as hell wouldn’t kick those Americans out of their town, and give the region to those firing the rockets.”

“Seems Nigal is right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1815563,00.html

"Minister says Israel will swap Palestinian prisoners for soldier"

IMHO Israel is going to regret this. It'll be open season on Israeli soldiers. Chalk up another victory for the terrorists. Violin and Tilt must be giggling like crazy at this news.”

“..and BB...and MarkO....”

“Let see what really happens. LOL...one of the greatest manuvers in Intel is to choose two or three "leaders" from the prisoners, take them for interrogation, then treat them like kings.

Just before you cut them loose you let them know that you are hitting a secret house...then cut them loose with some "incentives". They go home...and the enemy takes care of the dirty work.”

“Olmert is a coward. He just wants to get back to the business of the country…which is giving away the country. I swear this has to be the hand of G-d at work here because Jews are too smart to be this damn dumb. This whole military effort has been nothing but a show. They’ve been out there raining shells down upon empty fields making a big noise but not doing anything.

What country in the world would stand for having over 1,000 rocket attacks from it’s neighbor in single year without action? OK, now, what nation would not only do nothing about 1,000 rocket attacks AND give that enemy more land putting them even closer to major population areas? No one! I’m not for land for peace and I’m 110% against land for nothing. The only time the Arabs want peace is after you kick their asses back across their borders and it looks like you're marching to their capitol.

Wake up Red Sea Pedestrians!


Funny Onion article:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48976
last edited: 7/07/06 2:35:29 PM”

“I found an interesting blog done by a 17 year old Israeli teen from his bunker using a lap top and wifi.

http://israelibunker.blogspot.com/”

“But wait...if this means, more or less, that the Radical Islam espoused by Iran is the growing threat to the entire region...then that means that Iran is basically opposed by the World?”

“"People bring me arguments and tell me things that they believe show that Israel is wrong or bad, and I respond and prove them wrong. But once I do, they go into deep denial. Israel has got to be wrong, this blog has got to be wrong. Their world view does not permit a different line of thinking or the possibility even. Some people will just refuse to listen and form their opinions in advance. If they are proven wrong I must be lying." - Israelibunker

Gee, that sounds so familiar.....”

“Mutt I am seeing where Hezboallah is hiding its weapons near or with civilians. BUMMER. I think it is time for the rest of the world to understand this IS A WAR. Isreal is doing what they have to do to survive....”

“Their world view does not permit a different line of thinking or the possibility even. Some people will just refuse to listen and form their opinions in advance. If they are proven wrong I must be lying


Dang! That sounds like most of the Libbies here on TT.”

“That sounds like christian conservatives too, and new left extremists, and right wing militarists, and new-world-order freaks, and ..... oh, well, you get the idea”

““Mutt I am seeing where Hezboallah is hiding its weapons near or with civilians. BUMMER. I think it is time for the rest of the world to understand this IS A WAR. Isreal is doing what they have to do to survive....”

And who's name is on those weapons? Iran's.



I find it very fascinating at how this is all being perceived and presented to the world. Israel is being shown as a superpower that is beating up the retarded kid on the block. Israel is not being shown as a teeny tiny country the size of a matchbox on a football field surrounded by their enemies.

Even though the styles of the two combatants could not be more diametrically opposed. Israel drops leaflets and make announcements warning the Lebanese people that they will be attacking and they need to get out so they do not kill any innocent civilians. Hezbolah fires random rockets into heavily populated areas hoping to kill as many civilians as they can. Many of the civilians that are dying are dying because Hezbolah are not letting them leave.”

“I saw on the news that the Israeli army was massing along the border---and this was being televised EVERYWHERE (with apologies to XL for borrowing his all caps) yet they were not being fired on. The Hezbo rockets were still being shot into the cities.”

“Agreed Non...you know there needs to be a time where one side's violation of treaty policies means that you can do it too....LOL. I would love to see Bush lend ten or so B-52s to Isreal for a few carpet bombing missions.”

“Mutt I am seeing where Hezboallah is hiding its weapons near or with civilians. BUMMER - XL

Yeah, that's what terrorists do. Amazingly, many people honestly do not recognize Hezbollah to be a terrorist organization. It baffles my mind that people can be so dense in the face of obvious facts. Then again, these are the kind of people who probably get their news from the networks or DU or KOS, etc. If we were ever to go to war with Iran over terrorism, these same people would see the Islamofascists as heros and us as villains.
last edited: 7/25/06 7:27:17 AM”

“Mutt...that is becuase they have managed to cloud their view of reality with the hatered of the Chief Executive.

LOL...I personally wonder what would happen if we awoke one morning to find Teheran was missing from the map. The President was on the TV explaining that "You know we had enough. In 2001 the Congress gave me the power to do anything to stop the spread of Islamic Terrorisim and I am doing it. If we even SUSPECT you are harboring Islamo Terrorists you will face the same threat." Then he could list the cities on the target roster for the week.”

“It's Machiavellian, but it would be effective!”

“If California received 20 billion dollars a year from China, how would you feel as a resident of Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho or Baha?”

“I am missing something....if California received 20 billion from China...wouldnt they still be part of the ...UNITED STATES?”

“If Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho or Baha were Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Lebanon how would you feel about living peacefully in California as a non-arab state”

“lets put it in perspective...you live in New Jersey. EVERYWHERE else is more or less infavor of wiping you off the map.”

“Baha is Baja or is it?”

“Hyway, I'd move to Tejas to get out of this country.”

“First of all, I don't think that "morals" or "rights" really enter into this conflict. There are many, many things that both sides have done that "justify" certain actions. So any argument abouts rights and morals is garbage. Both sides deserve what they get.

So, I tend to view this from the perspective of strategy and power. And I have some questions. First, what does Israel really gain from this campaign/invasion? Hezbollah's missiles are mostly a nuisance. They kill a few here and there, but pose no strategic threat.

Some might argue that there might be some future fear of nuclear-armed weaponry, but the combatants live so close to each other that a missile is not likely to be the method of delivery in that scenario.

So, I don't think that's the reason. One can make the argument that Israel is trying to kill as many Lebanese as possible as a future deterrent to Lebanese/Iranian coalitions. That makes some sense, but again, if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel it seems to have the means to do it without operatives in Lebanon.

And the idea that you can defeat a guerrila army like Hezbollah with conventional tanks and bombs is ridiculous.

So, what does Israel gain?

There is a second part, however, that involves the U.S. We send emergency weaponry to Israel. We send them money. And does anyone doubt that Bush had to green light this war?

So, the second question is what does the U.S. gain from this? Israel has no oil. We have military bases all over the Middle East. What does the protection of Israel actually gain for us?

Maybe this war was a nice little diversion that Iran and the U.S. plays so that it doesn't have to deal with the actual problem of the region.”

“Oh, one other possibility.

Olmert doesn't have the gravitas that Sharon had. Sharon could make peace because he had fought many wars. Only tough men can make peace in Israel.

So, from a domestic political angle, Olmert wants to build up his street cred so that he can cut a deal later from a position of strength.

How's that?”

“Right no threat from missiles just a few people killed or injured...heck thats all that is happening in Iraq and you guys are wetting your double polyester pants over it (LOL)....the danger is that HEZBULLS..may start including some NASTY stuff in their missiles.

We gain in that one of our closest allies is protected. While I am not all that sure of your credentials in Counter Guerrilla warfare let me explain. It is alot like digging the enemy out of caves. You gots to go ONE AT A TIME and break a LOT of stuff to get there.

America DOES not need to be involved. We need to stay back and let the rest of the world know that this is between Isreal and Hezpiggie. Personally Hezbullah is Iranian in backing, trust me NONE of the Arab nations want them there....”

““lets put it in perspective...you live in New Jersey. EVERYWHERE else is more or less infavor of wiping you off the map.”

I've never been to Jersey so I can't say one way or the other. LOL! I'm sure Israel is nicer though.”

“XL, I support increasing U.S. troop levels in Iraq.”

“Reformed...I personally am in favor of letting the GENERALS run this war...kinda a change from the way we have run every war since Korea.

If General A wants to turn Nasra into a wading pool...so be it. But it is like say an insurance company telling your doctor how to treat you...oh crap they do and it SU(ks.”

“XL,

The problem with Hezbollah is not so much its weapons - they are weak. It's the breadth and depth of support within the population. A committed population will be able to get guns and missiles. The problem is the committed population and a war seems like a funny way to combat that.

And America IS involved. When Condi goes on her pacification mission to Beiruit, the bombs stop. The U.S. is sending emergency military supplies. We are Israel's greatest benefactor. So, the idea that we are just sitting on the sidelines is a mirage. And these little aid efforts that we are sending to Lebanon are pretty silly.

BTW, I hope that Israel kills as many Hezbollah leaders as possible. And now that Israel has started this, it should do as much of the dirty work as possible. But I think that this entire effort will do more harm than good.”

“XL,

Letting the generals run the war is an admirable position, but I bet that we wouldn't be in Iraq if that were the operating principle.”

“Oh, and I don't think that the death of a few dozen people, or even a few hundred people is necessarily cause to change a nation's foreign policy if it contradicts a larger national need.”

“Reformed...the Generals were infavor of Iraq as of 1990. Granted the 42nd administration got rid of some good combat Generals and replaced them with POOFY BOYS...but hey

I think this pretty much puts it into perspective who Isreal is fighting...and pretty much who we are fighting in Iraq.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291973626&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull”

“Future arms merchant lobbyist or talkshow experts running US policy, not really.”

“XL, have you ever seen the Palliwood video? Very enlightening documentary on how the Arab terrorists use the media. And of course the media is all too happy to be lead around by the their noses becasue they give them the story they want.

http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php
last edited: 7/25/06 9:01:26 AM”

“This is my favorite video of the war.


http://www.break.com/index/iraqnews.html

or maybe


http://www.break.com/index/the_amazing_racist_islam.html
last edited: 7/25/06 9:16:27 AM”

“First, what does Israel really gain from this campaign/invasion? Hezbollah's missiles are mostly a nuisance.

Gee whiz, I had no idea Israel started this conflict, or that missiles lobbed into heavily populated areas are just a "nuisance". Ya learn something every day!”

“WOW I just thought about it...lobbing missiles into a neighborhood are "a nuisance" but using a derrogatory epithet about a person is a DEATH PENALTY CRIME.

So reformed...if the US lobbed a couple of Cruise missiles into...say...Teheran thats okay?”

“Mutt, it is clear that Hezbollah started this particular skirmish. But that has little to do with the strategic aims of this war. Israel had a plan to invade Lebanon that existed before any of this happened. Hezbollah was stupid enough to give them a pretext to use the plan.

But I think it is clear that Israel has thought for a while that it needed, for strategic reasons, to invade Lebanon.

So, I am not arguing about who's right in this case. Clearly, Israel is in the right. That is irrelevant to the argument about what is in the strategic best interests of Israel and the United States.

XL, I'm not sure what the derogatory epithet you write about is. Can you explain?

Also, if it was in the best interests of the United States to lob a cruise missile into Tehran, then I think that we should seriously consider it. That is not, however, the case currently.”

“Israel had a plan to invade Lebanon that existed before any of this happened. - RL

What exactly are you referring to? Do you have a link or something for this?”

“hell, I bet the US has a plan to invade lebanon. For that matter, we probably have a plan to invade Isreal. Having plans for things isn't the same as planning to do them.”

“That was my first thought too, but maybe he's referrign to something specific.”

“The US Military has plans for everything.
To not have plans is just plain stupid.”

“Lobbing human missiles over the US southern border is a nuisance too.”