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Northern North Dakota should stay out of this, as we should, who does Canada think they are a Hockey Theocracy on melting ice?
salebored
2:14:20 PM
5/27/11

Didn't Israel expand their territory thru armed conflict in 68?

and, haven't they continued to expand their footprint since by simply building more and more housing?

why is that ok?
RoamAround
3:20:51 PM
5/27/11

They can only be victims, they can't be the perps, remember the Wholecost.
uncliff
3:42:53 PM
5/27/11

why is that ok?

Red herring. If the Palestinians are so upset over that, why are they not 10x more angry with Jordan? Gee, I wonder why no one ever answers that historically valid question LOL.
Mutt
4:06:27 PM
5/27/11

No money ,no assistance for either side until 2 years of peace are maintained and then well consider why we ever got involved.

Stand up to the biggest lobbyist financed by foreign aid and Wall St, get a spine. Hitler, as big a whole as he was, had to have some reason to do the horrible things he did. Stop acting like history is some dam religion.
uncliff
5:13:40 PM
5/27/11

WTF???? LMAO! This thread just keeps getting better and better!
Nonconformist
7:10:53 PM
5/27/11

Isn't it Grate?
uncliff
7:49:34 AM
5/28/11

Stovie
8:45:36 AM
5/29/11

All Bibi did was fertilize his connie home garden, because they're hanging from some awfully thin thine and BS is their only hope.
uncliff
11:23:04 AM
5/29/11

Interesting analysis by Stratfor on the pre 1967 Borders. I always find much to disagree with, but they are refreshing compared to the extremely simplistic stuff coming from the Pro-Netanyahu and anti-Israel camps:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110606-palestinian-move

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110530-israels-borders-and-national-security
pedxing
7:26:26 AM
6/07/11

To highlight, the recent head of the Mossad disagrees with Netanyahu's rebuke to Obama:

Israel government 'reckless and irresponsible' says ex-Mossad chief

Meir Dagan attacks Binyamin Netanyahu for aggression towards Iran, and for failing to make any progress with the Palestinians



Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Friday 3 June 2011 18.01 BST


Israel's PM Binyamin Netanyahu with Meir Dagan as the spymaster left his post as head of Mossad in January this year.

The former head of Israel's spy service has launched an unprecedented attack on the country's current government, describing it as "irresponsible and reckless", and has praised Arab attempts to reach an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement.

Meir Dagan stepped down as the head of Mossad six months ago but has gone on the offensive in a series of briefings with journalists and public appearances because he feels that Israel's security is being mismanaged by Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, and Ehud Barak, the defence minister.

One newspaper quotes him as saying that he, as head of Mossad, Yuval Diskin, the head of Sin Bet – the internal security agency, and Gabi Ashkenazi, the head of the army, could prevent Netanyahu and Barak from making mistakes but all three have left their positions and have been replaced by men chosen by the current government.

"I decided to speak because when I was in office, Diskin, Ashkenazi and I could block any dangerous adventure. Now I am afraid that there is no one to stop Bibi [Netanyahu] and Barak," said Dagan.

Upon leaving his post, Dagan publicly warned against Israel attacking Iran to stop it from acquiring nuclear weapons.

In his latest comments, he said that if Israel attacks Iran, it will find itself at the centre of a regional war that would endanger the state's existence. Dagan's intervention is dangerous for Netanyahu because it comes from the right wing of Israeli opinion rather than the left, where the prime minister would expect criticism.

Dagan has been in charge of aggressive Israeli actions abroad in recent years, that have included assassinations in Lebanon, Syria and Dubai and an air attack on a suspected nuclear reactor in Syria. He also criticised Israel's failure to offer any initiative to resolve the conflict with the Palestinians .

The absence of any workable plan, he said, will leave Israel in a dangerous and weak situation if the Palestinians push for UN recognition of a state later this year.

Dagan also endorsed Saudi Arabia's peace plan which offered Israel normal relations with all Arab countries if it reaches a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Leading columnist Ari Shavit summarised Dagan's point of view in the Ha'aretz newspaper: "Dagan is extremely concerned about September 2011. He is not afraid that tens of thousands of demonstrators may overrun the settlements. He is afraid that Israel's subsequent isolation will push its leaders to the wall and cause them to take reckless action against Iran."

Ben Caspit of the Maariv newspaper wrote: "He is one of the most rightwing militant people ever born here ... who ate Arabs for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

"When this man says that the leadership has no vision and is irresponsible, we should stop sleeping soundly at night."

Dagan was quoted in the newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth describing Netanyahu and Barak as "irresponsible and reckless individuals".

Dagan's criticism of Netanyahu comes when the prime minister is enjoying popular support following his trip to Washington and his speech to Congress.

Opinion polls suggest that Netanyahu has a nine-point lead over his nearest challenger and his Likud party is the most popular in the country.

However, Dagan's intervention suggests that while Netanyahu is seen as an able performer in public, he believes that behind the scenes he is less astute.

A spokesman for the prime minister said that he would not discuss Dagan's comments. However members of the cabinet told the Israeli media: "Dagan was out of line on the Iranian issue. This damages deterrence, because the military option must be on the table as a credible option after sanctions.

"If you come and say, 'we can't attack Iran, it's impossible,' you project weakness to the Iranians and make it look like you don't have the courage to do it, and that they can do whatever they want.

"More seriously, it sends a message to the world that they can take their foot off the gas pedal of sanctions."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/03/israel-government-reckless-mossad-chief
pedxing
7:30:48 AM
6/07/11

Stovie
6:21:22 AM
7/08/11

Here's something that has to scare thinking folk.

[url] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/biblical-literalism_n_893358.html[/url]
uncliff
2:55:55 PM
7/08/11


Stovie
6:00:39 AM
8/11/11

We should sell Israel to Steve Jobs.
uncliff
7:42:55 AM
8/11/11

Stovie
6:18:54 AM
8/13/11

Turkey to provide armed escort for new Gaza flotilla

"Turkish warships will be tasked with protecting the Turkish boats bringing humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip," Mr Erdogan told the Arabic television network Al Jazeera.



What do you want to bet that Turkey doesn't send another aid ship any time soon? Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that makes geopolitics so fascinating.
Mutt
6:47:26 AM
9/09/11

Not one more penny!
uncliff
7:21:41 AM
9/09/11


It's funny those two would call anybody a liar
Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a "liar"

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "a liar" in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week's G20 summit in Cannes.

"I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar," Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

"You're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you," Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

The technical gaffe is likely to cause great embarrassment to all three leaders as they look to work together to intensify international pressure on Iran over its nuclear ambitions.

The conversation was not initially reported by the small group of journalists who overheard it because it was considered private and off-the-record. But the comments have since emerged on French websites and can be confirmed by Reuters....

http://news.yahoo.com/sarkozy-told-obama-fed-israeli-pm-092347721.html
Stovie
8:28:12 AM
11/08/11

The truth is not easy to find, it takes an live mic, eh?
uncliff
8:09:32 PM
11/08/11

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