Surgeon General: Second Hand Smoke Kills

“Surgeon General Warns of Secondhand Smoke

By JOHN O'NEIL
Published: June 27, 2006
Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona declared today that the evidence is now "indisputable" that secondhand smoke is an "alarming" public health hazard, and warned that measures like no-smoking sections don't provide adequate protection.

"Smoke-free environments are the only approach that protects nonsmokers from the dangers of secondhand smoke," he said.

Dr. Carmona did not call for a federal ban on smoking in workplaces, bars and restaurants, as a growing number of cities and states have done. He said he saw his role as providing the American people and Congress with definitive information on the subject.

www.nyt.com”

“I read an article about the second hand smoke study, it showed a 2% increase in cancer in those exposed to 2nd hand smoke. If it were a food additive with the same results, the FDA wouldn't even bat an eye....”

“Fair enough..............maybe. Anyone got a link? I was dissapointed the NYT article was linkless.”

“The NEW YORK CRIMES is linkless...or clueless

The GREY LADY IS DOWN”

“If it were a food additive with the same results, the FDA wouldn't even bat an eye"

but theres no such thing as second-hand eating. if you smoke near me, you increase my chances of getting cancer by 2 percent. if you eat cancer-causing foods near me, it does not effect me.

i like what they do in some places: have a smoking area, but wall it off. you say secondhand smoke isnt so bad? good. sit in it. the rest of us will enjoy our tar-free air”

“Yadda yadda. More media scare tactics.”

“Crash...so when I go to a house with Patient B who is on the FULL DOLE (guess who is held up at gunpoint for that money) who weighs 400 lbs requiring additional personnel (MORE FUEL, loss of crews available for a call use of more vehicles) a new HEAVY DUTY HYDRAULIC Stretcher capable of lifting their lard ass.....that doesn't effect anyone but them?

When I watch a 39 year old Paramedic out with back injuries becuase of lifting these wastes? That doesn't effect anyone?

Sorry when the government starts with one thing they will keep going. I am just interested to see what is next. I am betting on BIG FAT FOOD.”

“I think Crash means that when someone lards-up the lard stays with the lardee.”

“LOL..>Marko..but WHO has to work to pay so they can stay a lardo? Who injures their backs or has to really support them?

I just saw today that Shuttle Astronauts have a 1 in 100 chance of dying...as opposed to the rest of us who are pretty much going 100 for 100.”

“you know what the fck i meant, xl.

but since youre asking, yes, that does affect others, and no, i dont condone gross overeating.

if youll pay closer attention, youll notice that nowhere did i support any kind of a ban on public smoking, as you insinuated (Sorry when the government starts with one thing they will keep going). im just saying the people who say secondhand is harmless can kiss my damn ass.”

“If the peramedics ever come for me I'm going to demand they cut a wall out so they can get me out just so I can meet Richard Simmons.”

“i say wall em all off when inside public buildings. you wanna slowly kill yourself? fine. just leave me out of it”

“Woooo, you go CB...z-snap!”

““If the peramedics ever come for me I'm going to demand they cut a wall out so they can get me out just so I can meet Richard Simmons.”
Nigal
9:30:04 AM
6/28/06



Sigh....you are Sofa King gay.”

“"....but WHO has to work to pay so they can stay a lardo? Who injures their backs or has to really support them?"

That's what you're paid to do, General.
And yes, we all pay for it.

I don't condone lardassedness either.

I keep myself physically prepared for butt-kickin' hikes.
On Saturday I will be steppin' out with two of Trail Talk's premier butt-kickers.
Oh, my achin' feet!!”

“I am just so damn sick of the media trying to scare us to death simply for the headlines. The smallest minority disease or cause and effect issue gets blown so far out of context until we demand the government swoop in and save us at any cost including personal liberties.

There was a small town in Missouri I think where the mayor banned smoking anywhere in public; on sidewalks, the park, anywhere public. Basically you could smoke at home. He said it was very important to the general welfare of the public. He was busted a month later touchy a 14 year old boy. I guess that doesn’t count towards the general welfare of the community.

Phucking sheep.”

“Thanks MarkO, but we are paid to treat Patients not become patients...kinda like saying "Hey WHAT YOU #&%!$ING ABOUT Soldier, you were paid to get killed."

IMHO - Public Places NO SMOKING I agree. Private establishments, if you own the air, you can do what you want.
last edited: 6/28/06 8:02:11 AM”

“I'm middle of the road on second hand smoke. I think the evidence is clear - it is a health risk. So is living where there are a lot of cars.

On the other hand, I don't see the point of smoking bans - except maybe on airplanes and other enclosed places people have to share. Requiring restaurants of a certain size to have smoking sections makes sense to me as well. But whole cities banning smoking in restaurants and/or bars makes no sense to me.

Let's get the facts out there and let people decide what they want to do. I'm against all the effort to deny the risk of second hand smoke, but what about turning government into a nanny?
last edited: 6/28/06 11:31:09 AM”

“One thing that blows me away are people who support legalization of pot or other drugs, and also support smoking bans.”

“went to the doc a couple years back [ok, a lot of years back] didn't smoke back then, but my mom did. They found spots on my lung back then, even though I didn't smoke.

No I didn't do no drugs either. So, yes second hand smoke can kill.

I am still NOT all they way for smoking bans, especially in restaurants.”

“fvck smokers”

“I can see why someone would support smoking bans, and also legalization of marijuana. They're not saying tobacco should be illegal; they just don't want to be forced to breathe it in. It's not like tobacco shouldn't be smoked in an enclosed public space, but marijuana should be...same rules should apply for both drugs.

I've said before I'd be glad if smoking were banned, but really I don't really care that much about the legality of it. Just if someone smokes and makes me breathe it in, be prepared to be broken in half. LMAO!”

“But Lyra, no one is forcing you to go to a place that allows smoking - or to work there - especially when there are non-smoking sections as an alternative.

The principle is the same. Allow people to make choices about the risks they incur. If someone is willing to inhale all that smoke to get high and assume the risks that go with it, why shouldn't they also make the choice as to whether or not to go into an establishment where people smoke?”

“Air travel exposes you to increased radiation, living in a city is far worse for you lungs that second hand smoke. There are all kinds of laws you could pass to eliminate health risks that are greater than that posed by second hand smoke.”

“Lyra is gonna break your butts, smokers!”

“Part of that report says that non-smoking sections don't help, even if they're ventilated. Also, just because someone thinks marijuana should be legal doesn't mean they themselves would smoke it. I personally wouldn't. Oh well, I can see why there are disagreements about the smoking issue, people like to have lots of choices...smokers would like to go anywhere they want and be able to smoke, I'd like to be able to go anywhere I want and not have to breathe it. I personally am just super-paranoid about poisons getting into my body, LOL! Whether it be smoke or pesticides, or what...unless I personally choose to put it in my body, haha.”

“And, you could just as easily say that industries shouldn't have to follow pollution laws or cars shouldn't have emission standards...and we could all just go live "elsewhere." LOL! Oh well, no use arguing about some things, people are always going to disagree about this, I'm sure. I'm not like 100% rabid for a smoking ban, like I said...just discussing for the sake of it.”

“Its nice to go to some joint like The Back Fence in New York for some live music and not finish the evening with burning eyes and smelling like a butt.

The general smoking ban in New York has not hurt business.

The buttheads just step out for a smoke and they get to meet all kinda of nice people with a common interest.”

“I guess one of the things that makes me mad about the smoking thing is that people who do it a lot of the time can't admit that second-hand smoke is a bad thing...and they feel like they have some kind of right to subject others to it. I wouldn't be so much against smoking in ALL public places if that was just accepted. Part of me would like a smoking ban out of pure vengeance, haha!!”

“Depends on where in NY. I know there were a few places in my area that have state they have fallen into the red since the smoking ban. Most of these were small dive bars with primarily just local clientele. The more upscale places seem to be doing ok.
last edited: 6/28/06 12:25:54 PM”

“The burder of proof lies with smokers, not non-smokers, to prove that their smoke doesn't infringe on or harm those around them.”

“You said it, Muley!

The vengence of Lyra??

Ooch......Ouch!!”

“Part of that report says that non-smoking sections don't help, even if they're ventilated.
1:04:21 PM
6/28/06

No, the article says that non-smoking sections don't fully protect non-smokers. Obviously anything that great reduces the amount of smoke is going to greatly reduce the risk. I think if the facts are known people can choose whether to go some place where they will have that reduced risk. Where people care there are places that don't allow smoking at all.

It's not like they are coming into your house and blowing smoke at you. I think someone should be able to go into a restaurant and smoke while they eat, or smoke and have a beer at a bar - if there is a business that wants to serve them.

I'm for making pot legal, the right to go into any restaurant at all and not be exposed to any second hand smoke at all doesn't strike me as fundamental. I don't think getting take out, or going somewhere else is such an inconvenience that it justifies more laws. And when you have laws, you have to enforce them and then there is the whole coercive system that supports enforcement.”

“Let a pothead pixie tell you what to do
And this is what he'll tell you...
If you gotta problem
to know who you are
Here now
this is what you do
Remember
You are me
I am you
all of us together
now go
AUM”

“Agreed....if Bob owns a resturant he technically owns the AIR. So if he wants smoking...boom...smoke there and let the market figure it out.

Same with alot of what is BAD for us. Nature can thin things out.”

“o there goes Zero the Hero
Turning on around the wheel of births and deaths
And meanwhile the Octave Doctors
and the Pot Head Pixies and
all the other characters of
the Planet Gong hafta to leave you now
with a last little song


Why don't you...
Why don't you try...

You are I or I am you
You I am or I am you
You am I or am I you
You are Maya Ram are you
You are my Hiram are you
You am I or I am you
You are Maya I am you
You am I as I are you
You are Maya's eye are you
You are I or I am you”

“owning property does not give you carte blanche to do whatever you want.....if a river runs thru your property and is upstream from someone elses property, you cant pollute it...if you want to build on your property, you need a permit

there are legit reasons against a smoking ban. "its my property and i can do what i wanna" is not one of them”

“I'd say "its my property and i can do what i wanna" is one consideration. I agree with Crash that property rights don't trump all, because - as the example shows - how one person's property is used does affect others. However, I believe that property rights need to be respected and any infringement should have more justification than than a smoking ban has.”

“Then we open the door to the slippery slope....I can see health inspections becuase this effects things the customer may not see and may not have a "reasonable warning" of. But SMOKING?

What is next, seasoning controls? Fat Content?

Sorry but that is too much government for me.”

“I think there is a slippery slope, but health inspections or regulations on handling of toxic waste already start out on that slippery slope.

I'm not sure where where to draw the line, but I agree with XL on this: a smoking ban for bars or restuarants is crossing the line.”

“again, im not arguing for a smoking ban, but like ped said, property rights do not trump all

RIF”

“Here is a shocker....I was opposed to the Flag Burning ban. Sorry but that is YOUR FLAG you bought it....it is protected speech IMHO.

Now want to make a fun law, make a law designating "protecting the flag" punishable by a maximum of $1.00 fine and protect the person "immune" from Civil action. That means if I see Bo starting to burn the flag and I decide to take a baseball bat and teach him to walk on his knees....the max is $1.00 and he can't legally sue me.”

“I saw an old movie the other day where people were smoking in an elevator in an office building, LOL! The times, they have a-changed.

I would be happy with smokers admitting that second-hand smoke is dangerous and icky, and with them respecting other people's well-being enough to keep their own personal habits in check accordingly...then there'd be no ban needed! Heehee.”

“If they would just legalize pot, the rest of us wouldnt care who was smoking what or where. someone PLEASE legalize pot? I promise not to #&%!$ about disgusting second hand cigarette smoke ever again,.....”

“In those old movies its really rediculous how much smoking is going on.

Some of the scenes in Casablanca have clouds of smoke billowing this way and that.”

“LOL! I really ought to have started a Pothead Pixie thread - 'cept I alread posted a bunch here and on the LSD thread.”

“LOL @ SC.

I meant old as in like the 80s! Was it really like that, could you smoke in offices or just wherever?”

“The slippery slope notion is pretty thin.
THAT is chicken little talk.

Before we know it everyone will be wearing grey tunics and carrying little red books!!!!

Cat and dogs, living together..........schidt of biblical proportions!!!!

Cigarette smoke in public places is its own unique danger not related to eating habits or picking one's nose or even *farting on elevators.

*Farting on elevators rocks!!
last edited: 6/28/06 2:17:29 PM”

“Lyra, in the early '70s people would smoke in class at University of Maryland and use the floor beside their desk for an ashtray.

It was actually against the rules but people did it anyway.”

“Yeah I remember the days of burn marks on the floors in public buildings.

I used to also dislike flying because of all the smoke that would drift in to the non-smoking area.”