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I've been wondering about this for a while. Then it hit me: ask TT - they know everything!

How do you figure out what relationship your various cousins are? Here's an example: My cousin (who just got engaged - woo hoo!) is the daughter of my mother's mother's sister's daughter. The easy part is that her mother is my grandmother's first cousin. But what is she to me? How about to Bowlderson?

One person told me that every level of cousins just adds to the number - first, second, third cousin, etc. But another person said each generation is a "removed" level.

Help!
BowlderMan
7:53:32 AM
7/14/06

The important question is, how far away do they have to be for you to be able to marry them?
lyra
7:59:21 AM
7/14/06

Well my mother's cousin would be my second cousin - beyond that I get confused really fast.
Roam Around
7:59:57 AM
7/14/06

The 'removed' part refers to generations (Amelia Earhart is my first, cousin three times removed - my grandfather's cousin.)

I don't know what a second or third cousin is.
violiN
8:01:01 AM
7/14/06

ok, mother's mother's sister's daughter - geez Marty!

ok, so its the daughter of your grandma's sister.

So, its your great aunt's daughter, which would be mom's cousin, so its your second cousin.

i think
Roam Around
8:02:50 AM
7/14/06

Aha!:

Children of FIRST COUSINS are SECOND COUSINS to each other.

Children of SECOND COUSINS are THIRD COUSINS to each other.
violiN
8:05:50 AM
7/14/06


ive got some second cousins that are really hot!

(is it wrong to say that?)
Crash Bang
8:14:08 AM
7/14/06

My mother's sister has a daughter, Call her Betty. Betty is my first cousin.
Betty has a daughter, Rose. Rose is my second cousin.
Rose has a daughter, Patty. Patty is my third cousin.

When Patty comes of legal age, we could get married. ;-)
StoveStomper
8:17:13 AM
7/14/06

lyra's been in VT too long...
sacco
8:18:13 AM
7/14/06

correction:

i have some first cousins once removed that are really hot!

that might be wrong!
Crash Bang
8:20:33 AM
7/14/06

The way I always looked at it was like this: siblings of my parents (aunts and uncles) along with their kids are first cousins, beyond that, nobody cares unless they have a lot of money. That person is your favorite relative.
Nonconformist
8:21:12 AM
7/14/06

Actually, this cousin used to live near my office, and one of my usual running routes went near her apartment building. She happened to be in her car, having just arrived home from work. She looked over across the street and noticed some hot looking dude with great legs. Wow, she though what a hot --- AACK! It's my cousin!! Now I'll be in therapy for years!!
BowlderMan
8:22:36 AM
7/14/06

nonconformist has it
Ding, ding, ding!
last edited: 7/14/06 8:23:47 AM
violiN
8:23:01 AM
7/14/06

Heck, the little place I grew up in was hell on getting a date.
I was related in one way or the other to every girl within five miles.
StoveStomper
8:24:23 AM
7/14/06

Haha @ Nonconformist.

Actually I don't have any hot cousins, SACCO...I must've gotten all the hotness in the family. haha!! I was just looking out for you.
lyra
8:32:36 AM
7/14/06

OK, using the Wikipedia explanation, my cousin who just got engaged is my 2nd cousin, once removed. Our common ancestors is her great grandfather and -mother, who are also my great, great grandfather and -mother. She is closer to that ancestor, so that determines the ordinal number cousin. In the Wikipedia example, the person whose great-great-grandparent is the common ancestor make it a third cousin, so with one fewer 'great,' we are second cousins. Then there's one additional generation from my side, so that's the once removed. BowlderSon is twice removed, being one further generational layer down.


Doh! I could've just scrolled down to the chart instead of reading the text....
last edited: 7/14/06 8:36:54 AM
BowlderMan
8:33:20 AM
7/14/06

Imagine all of lyra's cousin's drooling over her adorableness.....
BowlderMan
8:37:27 AM
7/14/06

Sick! LOL. Most of the cousins I know are a lot younger than me...they're cute, not hot.
lyra
8:44:55 AM
7/14/06

Oh, many, many years ago
When I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as can be
This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her
And soon the two were wed

This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother
'Cause she was my father's wife
To complicate the matter
Though it really brought me joy
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy

This little baby then became
A brother-in-law to Dad
And so became my uncle
Though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle
Then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter
WHo of course is my step-mother

Chorus
I'm my own grandpa
I'm my own grandpa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
Oh, I'm my own grandpa

My father's wife then had a son
Who kept them on the run
And he became my grandchild
For he was my daughter's son
My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife
She's my grandmother too

Now if my wife is my grandmother
Then I'm her grandchild
And every time I think of it
It nearly drives me wild
For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandma
I am my own grandpa

[chorus]
lumberzac
8:48:49 AM
7/14/06

“The important question is, how far away do they have to be for you to be able to marry them?”

There is no scientific evidence that suggests cousins marrying and having kids will produce flipper kids. Einstein was a product of cousins.
Nigal
9:04:54 AM
7/14/06

Ya, the US is the only modern culture that makes such a big deal about cousins marrying.

Thats a funny song lz!
Roam Around
9:14:53 AM
7/14/06

the incest thread gets the most action today. what does that say about us?
Crash Bang
9:15:32 AM
7/14/06

I love my cousins but don't wish to marry them.
StoveStomper
9:16:04 AM
7/14/06

One problem cousin marries have is when the marriage goes sour and they divorce it’s hard because you can divorce your wife or husband but ya can’t divorce the family. If I get divorced it means I never want to lay eyes on the woman again. It would suck having to see ex at every family gathering.
Nigal
9:49:00 AM
7/14/06

Even if you wouldn't have flipper kids, it's just sort of icky to grow up relating to someone in a "family" kind of way, and then end up relating to them in a "hot sex" kind of way...LOL. Like when Woody Allen married his adoptive child...no greater chance of birth defects, but it still made everyone throw up in their mouths.
lyra
10:18:02 AM
7/14/06

I think it would depend on how hot your cousin is. LOL! I don't know my cousins because they all grew up out of state.
Nigal
10:27:53 AM
7/14/06

First cousins is legal in Alabama.

Thanks to the propensity for cousins to marry in the South, I am the direct descendant of three siblings. Aside from the murderous rampages, everything's cool.

Many years ago, when communities were smaller and people didn't travel as much, marrying a cousin was extremely common. I have great-grandparents who were fourth cousins, and another pair of great-grandparents that were second cousins once removed. It's no big deal.
bitpusher
4:25:21 PM
7/14/06

Sure, you say it's no big deal, but you keep forgetting to mention how tough it is for you to find shirts with three armholes....
BowlderMan
4:28:19 PM
7/14/06

Handy pocket guide:
violiN
4:54:56 PM
7/14/06

North Carolina has a freaking disclaimer?!? LMFAO!!
Nonconformist
6:19:51 PM
7/14/06

I love your title V..."Handy pocket guide:". I'm going to print this off and keep a copy in my wallet. Ya never know!

I gotta remember this when Violin starts talking down on me for living in podunk Ohio so I can remind him NJ allows cousin marraige but Ohio doesn't. Haha!
Nigal
9:49:14 PM
7/14/06

A couple weeks ago there were six of us sitting around playing a game that involved asking questions of each other. One of the questions had to do with sex with cousins. Well, wouldn't you know, one of the guys admitted to dating one of his cousins. They weren't first cousins, but they were cousins of some sort nonetheless. We gave him such a hard time over that one. He earned a new nickname that night: Cousinf**ker. Everyone is still using it when they talk to him: "Hey, CF, what's up?" I think he is wishing now that he had kept that tidbit of info to himself.


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that he's from Kentucky...of course.
last edited: 7/15/06 7:44:35 AM
Ruby
7:43:54 AM
7/15/06

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