Preposterous You Say?

“The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel (Hebrew: הכרזת העצמאות), May 14, 1948, was the official announcement that a new Jewish state, named the State of Israel (Medinat Yisrael in Hebrew), had been formally established in the British Mandate of Palestine, the land where the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah had once been.

Imagine if you will the following scenario:

The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Cherokee ("Tciloki", meaning "people of a different speech") August 18, 2006, was the official announcement that a new American Indian state, named the State of Cherokee had been formally established in the United States, the land where the Eastern Band of Cherokee had once been. As a result, President George Bush signed the Volunteer Removal Act which evicted all families in Tennessee to Arkansas, Mississippi and parts of Georgia.

Preposterous you say? Let’s look at history a minute. In 1830, President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act which evicted all Indians in the southeastern United States to what is now Oklahoma. At the time of this act, the Cherokee were an advanced nation having built towns and cities, having a written constitution and even printing their own newspapers in the Cherokee language.

http://www.shadowwolf.org/cherokee_people.html

According to the terms of the 2006 United Nations (UN) partition plan for the new state of Cherokee, the Knoxville area was to become part of a new American Indian state. Like many other territories in the area, it has a long history of occupation by Florida and Georgia nationalists. However, the volunteer army rejected the UN proposal, and was able to gain control of what is now known as the UT Strip. In a similar fashion, the West Bank was also created in Memphis because the other southeastern states really didn’t want all those immigrants in their states either.

No more barbeques. No more tailgate parties. The land that had belonged to the people formerly known as “Tennesseans” was now taken away. By 2026, there was mounting frustration and anger among the former Tennesseans, who had been living in the West Bank and the UT Strip under Cherokee occupation for 20 years. The Volunteers have a strong desire for their own independent state, and the Cherokees are reluctant to withdraw from the land. As violence continued over the next couple of years, newly elected Cherokee Chief John Ross decided that it was time to enter into peace negotiations with the Volunteer Liberation Organization, known as the VLO, under the leadership of Phillip Fulmer.

Chief Ross authorized secret negotiations between Cherokees and the Volunteers that took place at Harrahs Casino in Cherokee, North Carolina. The Cherokees and the Volunteers negotiated an agreement, which was signed in Washington, D.C., on September 13, 2027.The agreement called for a withdrawal of the Cherokees from the occupied land and a mutual cease-fire over a period of five years.



The peace process was cut short when Chief Cook was assassinated in 2028. His successor, Major Ridge, who led the Lighthorse Patrol and signed the Treaty of New Tciloki, further fueling anger and mistrust between the two sides. Violence escalated in the region over the next several years. Prime Minister Buck Oolwatie pursued an aggressive policy, in part because the Volunteers have deployed suicide bombers. The two sides remain at a stalemate.

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Now that you have read this, how would you like to be a Palestinian?”

“Now that you have read this, how would you like to be a Palestinian?”
SecretDisorder
1:45:36 PM
8/18/06
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It wouldn't make me want to blow myself up.”

“Secret you are a blithering Anti Semitic BS artist. Lets get a REAL history. The Area of Palestine (by the way prior to 1948 the Palestinians were the Hebrews) that was selected was PURCHASED by the Hebrews it was a wasteland. The occupants were NOMADS.
The true fact is that if in 1787 when we finally made out independence (say in New Jersey) and the rest of the United States had decided to destroy us, ANTI US factions would pass the same pro camel humper crap.”

“Yes. Nomadic peoples have no rights to any land. We proved that. i think you're an anti-cherokite.”

“Oh good lord.”

“Every country now in existence occupies land that was not theirs in the beginning....SO?”

“I'm really just trying to start a thought process here...and stimulate a little related discussion....

SuperTroll
2:46:05 PM
8/18/06

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“I would prefer to be an Arab living in Israel instead of any of the neighboring countries because:

I could vote.

I would have elected Arab leaders in the Knesset.

I would have a higher standard of living.

I would have freedom of religion.

I would have freedom of speech.

My spouse would not have to wear a burka.

Females would have equal rights.”

“While the total number of Israeli and Palestinian casualties fell in 2005 following the February ceasefire, the overall human rights situation in Israel and the OPT remained grave. Since the beginning of the current intifada in September 2000, Israel has killed nearly three thousand Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, including more than six hundred children. During the same period, Palestinian fighters have killed more than nine hundred Israelis inside Israel and in the OPT. Most of those killed on both sides were civilians.

The Israeli authorities continue a policy of closure, imposing severe and frequently arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, contributing to a serious humanitarian crisis marked by extreme poverty, unemployment, and food insecurity. The movement restrictions also have severely compromised Palestinian residents’ access to health care, education, and other services. As of August 1, 2005, the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reported 376 closure obstacles, down from 605 in February. However, this decrease, a result of the Sharm summit and the subsequent decrease in fighting, is offset by an increase in the number of “flying checkpoints” (currently an average of sixty each month), which usually consist of a military jeep blocking a road and checking all traffic for an undisclosed period of time; an increase in concrete military towers and “road protection barriers”, which block Palestinian traffic from entering settler-only roads through the OPT; and the increased movement restrictions associated with the “separation barrier” or “wall” that Israel is building mostly inside the West Bank.

During 2005, Israel continued with its construction of the wall, notwithstanding the International Court of Justice’s Advisory Opinion declaring the construction of the wall inside the OPT a violation of IHL, and demanding that Israel cease further construction inside the OPT. While the stated Israeli security rationale for the wall is to prevent Palestinian armed groups from carrying out attacks in Israel, 85 percent of its route extends into the West Bank, facilitating the eventual annexation to Israel of most of the large illegal Jewish settlements constructed over the past several decades as well as some of the most productive Palestinian farmlands and key water resources.

In July 2005, the Israeli Knesset approved legislation that effectively bars Palestinians from the OPT from suing Israel for death, injury or damages caused by Israeli security agents. The amendment to the Civil Wrongs (Liability of State) Law, 5712-1952 further strips Palestinians of an effective remedy for serious human rights abuses, which is required under international human rights law. The Knesset passed the bill at a time when the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had criminally investigated fewer than ten percent of the Palestinian civilian deaths since September 2000, and have convicted only a handful of IDF soldiers for causing death or injury. In August, an Israeli court handed down an eight year sentence, by far the longest of the past five years, to the soldier found responsible for lethally shooting Briton Tom Hurndall in Gaza in 2002. The IDF maintains the policy that killings of Palestinians will be investigated only under “exceptional circumstances,” which neither the IDF nor the government has ever defined. The Israeli authorities’ failure to bring perpetrators to justice fosters a culture of impunity.


The Knesset also passed legislation in July 2005 barring family reunification between Israeli citizens (mostly Palestinians) and their Palestinian spouses from the OPT, except in certain age categories. Since 2002 Israel has frozen family reunification and forced thousands of married couples and their children to live apart or live together illegally. This law violates the right not to be subjected to arbitrary interference with one’s family as set out in international human rights treaties ratified by Israel

There have been over two thousand IDF incursions into Palestinian population centers this year. The IDF often carried out the operations in a manner that failed to demonstrate that it had used all feasible measures to avoid or minimize harm to civilians and their property. In one such incident, an August 24 arrest raid in the Tulkarem refugee camp, the IDF shot and killed five unarmed Palestinians, including three seventeen-year-olds. This incident reflects a growing pattern of IDF “arrest operations” in which security forces kill the target of arrest or bystanders rather than seeking to apprehend the target. More than 20 Palestinians were killed in assassinations or extra-judicial killings in 2005.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/18/isrlpa12224.htm”

“(New York, June 7, 2002) Human Rights Watch today strongly criticized the Israeli Knesset's discriminatory allocation of national child allowances. The latest economic plan, passed Wednesday night, cuts by 24 percent allowances for children whose parents have not served in the army.

The majority of Palestinian Arab citizens are exempt from military service. Their children will bear the brunt of the cuts. The cuts will also affect the children of Jewish ultra-orthodox parents who do not serve in the military, but they are eligible for extra subsidies, including educational supplements, not available to Palestinian Arab children. Israel distributes sums of money to all parents based on the number of their children; allowances for all children were cut by 4 percent.

"The government should not discriminate against children on the basis of their parents' military service," said Zama Coursen-Neff, counsel to the Children's Rights Division of Human Rights Watch. "Palestinian Arab children are the poorest in Israel, with the least access to education. These cuts will disadvantage them even more."

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/06/07/isrlpa4026.htm”

“Bearmagnet, you point out a potential of a minor discrimination of educational moneys handed out in Israel. In Saudi Arabia and the other Israeli neighbors, there is no such discrimination because Jews are barred from the country. Simply put, apartheid against the Jews. Israel is by far the only country in the region that treats its citizens fairly.”

“i would contest your definition of minor and focus on the other abuses. Human Rights are not "relative". But treating an ethnic group as 2nd class citizens is not OK no matter how you slice it.
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