read this, its true.

“The headlines about them are, of course, entirely wrong.

It is not essential that a past president, bullied and sandbagged by a monkey posing as a newscaster, finally lashed back.

It is not important that the current President’s portable public chorus has described his predecessor’s tone as “crazed.”

Our tone should be crazed. The nation’s freedoms are under assault by an administration whose policies can do us as much damage as al Qaida; the nation’s marketplace of ideas is being poisoned by a propaganda company so blatant that Tokyo Rose would’ve quit.

Nonetheless. The headline is this:

Bill Clinton did what almost none of us have done in five years.

He has spoken the truth about 9/11, and the current presidential administration.

"At least I tried," he said of his own efforts to capture or kill Osama bin Laden. "That’s the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They had eight months to try; they did not try. I tried."

Thus in his supposed emeritus years has Mr. Clinton taken forceful and triumphant action for honesty, and for us; action as vital and as courageous as any of his presidency; action as startling and as liberating, as any, by any one, in these last five long years.

The Bush Administration did not try to get Osama bin Laden before 9/11.

The Bush Administration ignored all the evidence gathered by its predecessors.

The Bush Administration did not understand the Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in U.S."

The Bush Administration did not try.

Moreover, for the last five years one month and two weeks, the current administration, and in particular the President, has been given the greatest “pass” for incompetence and malfeasance in American history!

President Roosevelt was rightly blamed for ignoring the warning signs—some of them, 17 years old—before Pearl Harbor.

President Hoover was correctly blamed for—if not the Great Depression itself—then the disastrous economic steps he took in the immediate aftermath of the Stock Market Crash.

Even President Lincoln assumed some measure of responsibility for the Civil War—though talk of Southern secession had begun as early as 1832.

But not this president.

To hear him bleat and whine and bully at nearly every opportunity, one would think someone else had been president on September 11th, 2001 -- or the nearly eight months that preceded it.

That hardly reflects the honesty nor manliness we expect of the executive.


But if his own fitness to serve is of no true concern to him, perhaps we should simply sigh and keep our fingers crossed, until a grown-up takes the job three Januarys from now.

Except for this.

After five years of skirting even the most inarguable of facts—that he was president on 9/11 and he must bear some responsibility for his, and our, unreadiness, Mr. Bush has now moved, unmistakably and without conscience or shame, towards re-writing history, and attempting to make the responsibility, entirely Mr. Clinton’s.

Of course he is not honest enough to do that directly.

As with all the other nefariousness and slime of this, our worst presidency since James Buchanan, he is having it done for him, by proxy.

Thus, the sandbag effort by Fox News Friday afternoon.

Consider the timing: the very weekend the National Intelligence Estimate would be released and show the Iraq war to be the fraudulent failure it is—not a check on terror, but fertilizer for it.


The kind of proof of incompetence, for which the administration and its hyenas at Fox need to find a diversion, in a scapegoat.

It was the kind of cheap trick which would get a journalist fired—but a propagandist, promoted:

Promise to talk of charity and generosity; but instead launch into the lies and distortions with which the Authoritarians among us attack the virtuous and reward the useless.

And don’t even be professional enough to assume the responsibility for the slanders yourself; blame your audience for “e-mailing” you the question.

Mr. Clinton responded as you have seen.

He told the great truth untold about this administration’s negligence, perhaps criminal negligence, about bin Laden.

He was brave.

Then again, Chris Wallace might be braver still. Had I in one moment surrendered all my credibility as a journalist, and been irredeemably humiliated, as was he, I would have gone home and started a new career selling seeds by mail.

The smearing by proxy, of course, did not begin Friday afternoon.

Disney was first to sell-out its corporate reputation, with "The Path to 9/11." Of that company’s crimes against truth one needs to say little. Simply put: someone there enabled an Authoritarian zealot to belch out Mr. Bush’s new and improved history.

The basic plot-line was this: because he was distracted by the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Bill Clinton failed to prevent 9/11.

The most curious and in some ways the most infuriating aspect of this slapdash theory, is that the Right Wingers who have advocated it—who try to sneak it into our collective consciousness through entertainment, or who sandbag Mr. Clinton with it at news interviews—have simply skipped past its most glaring flaw.

Had it been true that Clinton had been distracted from the hunt for bin Laden in 1998 because of the Monica Lewinsky nonsense, why did these same people not applaud him for having bombed bin Laden’s camps in Afghanistan and Sudan on Aug. 20, of that year? For mentioning bin Laden by name as he did so?

That day, Republican Senator Grams of Minnesota invoked the movie "Wag The Dog."

Republican Senator Coats of Indiana questioned Mr. Clinton’s judgment.

Republican Senator Ashcroft of Missouri—the future attorney general—echoed Coats.

Even Republican Senator Arlen Specter questioned the timing.

And of course, were it true Clinton had been “distracted” by the Lewinsky witch-hunt, who on earth conducted the Lewinsky witch-hunt?

Who turned the political discourse of this nation on its head for two years?

Who corrupted the political media?

Who made it impossible for us to even bring back on the air, the counter-terrorism analysts like Dr. Richard Haass, and James Dunegan, who had warned, at this very hour, on this very network, in early 1998, of cells from the Middle East who sought to attack us, here?

Who preempted them in order to strangle us with the trivia that was, “All Monica All The Time”?

Who distracted whom?

This is, of course, where—as is inevitable—Mr. Bush and his henchmen prove not quite as smart as they think they are.

The full responsibility for 9/11 is obviously shared by three administrations, possibly four.

But, Mr. Bush, if you are now trying to convince us by proxy that it’s all about the distractions of 1998 and 1999, then you will have to face a startling fact that your minions may have hidden from you.

The distractions of 1998 and 1999, Mr. Bush, were carefully manufactured, and lovingly executed, not by Bill Clinton, but by the same people who got you elected President.

Thus, instead of some commendable acknowledgment that you were even in office on 9/11 and the lost months before it, we have your sleazy and sloppy rewriting of history, designed by somebody who evidently read the Orwell playbook too quickly.

Thus, instead of some explanation for the inertia of your first eight months in office, we are told that you have kept us "safe" ever since—a statement that might range anywhere from zero, to 100 percent, true.

We have nothing but your word, and your word has long since ceased to mean anything.

And, of course, the one time you have ever given us specifics about what you have kept us safe from, Mr. Bush, you got the name of the supposedly targeted Tower in Los Angeles wrong.


Thus was it left for the previous president to say what so many of us have felt; what so many of us have given you a pass for in the months and even the years after the attack:

You did not try.

You ignored the evidence gathered by your predecessor.

You ignored the evidence gathered by your own people.

Then, you blamed your predecessor.

That would be a textbook definition, Mr. Bush, of cowardice.

To enforce the lies of the present, it is necessary to erase the truths of the past.

That was one of the great mechanical realities Eric Blair—writing as George Orwell—gave us in the book “1984.”

The great philosophical reality he gave us, Mr. Bush, may sound as familiar to you, as it has lately begun to sound familiar to me.

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power...

"Power is not a means; it is an end.

"One does not establish a dictatorship to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.

"The object of persecution, is persecution. The object of torture, is torture. The object of power… is power."

Earlier last Friday afternoon, before the Fox ambush, speaking in the far different context of the closing session of his remarkable Global Initiative, Mr. Clinton quoted Abraham Lincoln’s State of the Union address from 1862.

"We must disenthrall ourselves."

Mr. Clinton did not quote the rest of Mr. Lincoln’s sentence.

He might well have.

"We must disenthrall ourselves and then we shall save our country."

And so has Mr. Clinton helped us to disenthrall ourselves, and perhaps enabled us, even at this late and bleak date, to save our country.

The "free pass" has been withdrawn, Mr. Bush.

You did not act to prevent 9/11.

We do not know what you have done to prevent another 9/11.

You have failed us—then leveraged that failure, to justify a purposeless war in Iraq which will have, all too soon, claimed more American lives than did 9/11.

You have failed us anew in Afghanistan.

And you have now tried to hide your failures, by blaming your predecessor.

And now you exploit your failure, to rationalize brazen torture which doesn’t work anyway; which only condemns our soldiers to water-boarding; which only humiliates our country further in the world; and which no true American would ever condone, let alone advocate.

And there it is, Mr. Bush:

Are yours the actions of a true American?”

“Yes, we know it's true that the message from mjw666 is being ignored. So what's your point?”

“lol

the point is that the only way you are choosing to reply to my very valid, very american points is to reinforce your own ignorance.

have fun with that. :D”

“that very brave of you, by the way.”

“Reinforcing ignorance? Have you said something profound or new? Have you said something that is not already in the media? Are you even saying anything that someone else didn’t write? No. You are cutting and pasting and basking in the glory of the author and when people don’t bite you claim intellectual superiority because people don’t really get their news from people on a backpacking site?

Fukc you’re boring me to tears…”

“Allz I saw in that interview, seriously, is that Bill Clinton cracked, he broke down under pressure... pressure of a simple, basic question from a journalist. Bush gets slammed by the press all the time, continuously. Even worse than Clinton. Bush takes the brunt of most everything, constantly. He takes the pressure well. The question asked of Clinton was very fair, and it even mentioned why he AND BUSH have done so poorly getting Osama... yet Clinton went on a childish, immature rampage about some big spooky conspiracies. HelloooOOOooOOOOo? Retirement hasn't been good to him.”

“If I was married to this I'd be a bit testy too.

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“so uhhh no replies as too the content eh.

just the same old worthless drivel focusing on loosely related issues.

good job guys :D”

“Who says Clinton is even a valid voice? He was stone cold busted for lying in court. You don’t think he’d tell a fib on TV to save his bacon? I couldn’t care less what he says or thinks.”

“Say what you want. We will continue to argue into eternity.. but I thought MSNBC showed great courage to air it.”

“Did TD forget to switch names? LOL”

“Naw.. I don't care this time, Stovie.. I know we don't agree, and that's ok.. I still love ya.. but I really think Keith Olbermann has it right.”

“Who says Clinton is even a valid voice? He was stone cold busted for lying in court. You don’t think he’d tell a fib on TV to save his bacon? I couldn’t care less what he says or thin

lol over a blow job.

bush ahs lied to us over a multi-billion dollar invasion costing thousands of american lives.

did he lie in court? no, did he lie to your face? yes. tell me which one is more offensive to you.

clinton is to be trusted when there is bona fide evidence in congressional records reflecting that the current scapegoating efforts by the bush administration were all of their device to begin with.
last edited: 9/26/06 12:30:57 PM”

“Keith Olbermann is a left wing nutcase.”

“take it from stovestomper, the guy who refuses to read when people present facts that counter his point of view.

lol keep on rockin”

“Perjury is perjury. If they’ll tell ya a little lie they’ll tell ya a big lie. And who said anything about Bush? Who says I believe him either? Hell yeah he’s a liar too. Does that get Clinton off the hook or make him believable? Hell no.

Your morality seems very malleable.
last edited: 9/26/06 12:36:09 PM”

“so you care more about a lie that a president tells us about their personal life than one that a president tells us regarding the spending of billions of our dollars and loss of american lives?

tell me more about the WMDs and the connection that Saddam had to Al Qaeda. Thats why we were told we invaded, right?”

“Stovie -- you got mail.”

“Lefties have morals?”

“right wingers and islamic fundamentalists were made for each other

one is useless without the other, as both gain their power from saying the other is the work of evil.

i just wish they could leave everyone else out of it.”

““so you care more about a lie that a president tells us about their personal life than one that a president tells us regarding the spending of billions of our dollars and loss of american lives?"

I didn't put one above the other did I? Loosen your hockey helmet and reread it. See if it can sink in this time.”

“http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003156137

For Americans Killed in Iraq: A Period, Not a Comma By Greg Mitchell
In an interview aired on CNN on Sunday, President Bush suggested that one day the conflict in Iraq will be looked back on as "just a comma." The dead, and their families, might propose different punctuation. Here are some alternatives.

(September 24, 2006) -- Amid the Sunday uproar over The New York Times' report on a secret intelligence report labeling the war in Iraq an answer to anti-U.S. terrorists' prayers, CNN aired a portion of an interview with President Bush conducted by Wolf Blitzer earlier in the week.

In a report here at E&P, we observed that in this exchange, Blitzer asked about the latest setbacks in Iraq and indications that civil war may be at hand. Bush, with a slight smile, replied, "Yes, you see — you see it on TV, and that’s the power of an enemy that is willing to kill innocent people. But there’s also an unbelievable will and resiliency by the Iraqi people…. I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there’s a strong will for democracy."

Even for Bushisms, this is an odd one. Maybe he meant "coma." No, that would be too negative.

A comma as a metaphor perhaps? If so, for what? All that bloodshed as merely a comma-- a pause in a long sentence -- leading to a hopeful phrase or conclusion? Comma, "and they all lived happily ever after"? Or maybe, comma, "and then we bombed Iran"?

Of course, one can think of other punctuation that might be apt, including "?" for the 140,000 Americans still deployed there, "!" for the cries of the gravely injured, and "$" for Haliburton and other contractors.

Or perhaps, as in the comics pages, when an angry character really wants to curse: "!@#%^&*()#*"

But I'd like to offer one more, the simple period, to replace the hopeful comma. Below you will find some 2,700 periods, each standing for an American life lost in Iraq. Space does not permit a full accounting of the Iraqis killed, or any of those damaged for life.


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Greg Mitchell (gmitchell@editorandpublisher.com) is editor of E&P.”

“I don't want to read all that.

Were those periods representing the people who died on 9/11 by terrorism?”

“I didn't read the article, only the first two paragraphs. I just saw it mentioned the interview. I don't have time to read stuff cut and pasted (biased propaganda). Regardless of how one feels about the issues does not excuse Clinton's childish behavoir during this interview, as so many are trying to do. Bush gets asked these same questions DAILY! Clinton gets asked and goes completely BEZERKO! Sheesh. Clinton has it easy compared to Bush when it comes to questions from the media. I don't see Bush acting like a child at tough questions. It reminds me of the Gore/Bush presidential debate when Gore got up and approached Bush as if he was going to slug him on national tv! What's up with these people? Cracks me up!”

“Towndog got his period!”

“Someone please teach TD how to take out the unneeded spaces in his cut-n-pastes.
LOL”

“I've watched the interview several times.. I don't see completely BEZERKO. I see a man who is tired of stupidity. After a while it just wears on you.

The Constitution is "just a goddamn piece of paper."

2500 war dead are "a number."

The war is "just a comma."

No doubt they'll see this as an example of Bush's Big Thinking.


Keep drinking the purple kool-aid. I can't stop you.”

“All I can remember is the last time he did the FINGER POINTING...LISTEN TO ME act...lets see....(sound of going back in time)....

BILLY: "Listen to me, I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewsinski." Then in 2000...he pled guilty to perjury.

Face it mjw the man is a narcissistic ass. His whole "legacy" is falling down. This is the same man whose wife was vehemently opposing the operations of a US port by Dubai...while hubby was taking BIG ASS BRIBES (illegally I might add) to support it.

In his world if he says it it is the truth. I have seen the same thing in other rapists (and he IS one). Go ahead and tie your pride to this S-bag. LOL..heck we should be thankful, without his incompetence we might have a President Gore demanding a solution to the nonexistant Human cause Global Warming while our people die of attacks in American cities.”

“nonexistant Human cause Global Warming ..

damn.. now you are getting scary.

anyway.. like I posted on the other thread.. have to post off for now. work calls.”

“Clinton balanced the budget and gave us a surplus.
Clinton mobilized the country in response to terror warnings in 1999 - and terrorist attacks were prevented.

Under every other president in the last 25 years (especially Reagan and this Bush), the deficit grew.
Reagan lied about Iran Contra and made a feeble excuse, Bush deceived us about much more - and continues to deceive.
Hundreds of Marines died in Lebanon after Reagan had the US get involved in shooting matches, and then Reagan turned tail and ran.

Yet those who embrace Reagan and Bush, want us to dismiss Clinton because he lied about Blow Jobs and messed up in Somalia. Far more damage was done because of Reagan and Bush IIs slip ups and the deceptions had far worse consequences.

I'd rather have a slut that lies about BJs but is fundamentally competent than a president like we have now.

Also - Clinton did not plead guilty to perjury. That's basically a technicality - but get your facts straight.”

“I've watched the interview several times.. I don't see completely BEZERKO. I see a man who is tired of stupidity. After a while it just wears on you.

I've watched it several times and I see complete BEZERKO behavoir! Childish, immature, and definitely not presidential. This was a journalist asking a very basic question. Bush is pounded by such questions all the time, and in this case this question was even suggesting Bush didn't do enough either, so why Clinton threw a childish hissy fit is quite intriquing. Like I said, retirement must not be good to him. To act in such a manner to a simple question, which was rather basic, and then play the "conspiracy" card is just plain NUTS! Things must not be going well for him in other areas of his life. That's all I can get out of this. OOooOOOOooo... a big right wing conspiracy... OOooOOooOOOoo... Mike Wallace is part of it... OOooOOOoo! BOO!”

“Mussolini made the trains run on time too Ped.”

“...I'd rather have a slut that lies about BJs...

At least you see him for what he is. :Þ”

“All I can remember is the last time he did the FINGER POINTING...LISTEN TO ME act...lets see....(sound of going back in time)....

BILLY: "Listen to me, I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewsinski." Then in 2000...he pled guilty to perjury.

Face it mjw the man is a narcissistic ass. His whole "legacy" is falling down. This is the same man whose wife was vehemently opposing the operations of a US port by Dubai...while hubby was taking BIG ASS BRIBES (illegally I might add) to support it.

In his world if he says it it is the truth. I have seen the same thing in other rapists (and he IS one). Go ahead and tie your pride to this S-bag. LOL..heck we should be thankful, without his incompetence we might have a President Gore demanding a solution to the nonexistant Human cause Global Warming while our people die of attacks in American cities.

lol wow.

so you think the 2000 or so lives lost in iraq are a comma as well?

isnt that about as many died on 9/11?

you have a bigger problem with a president who is narcissistic than with one who openly admits he refuses to read the newspapers?

jeez.

like i said before, you seem more concerned with a blowjob than with how wisely your tax money is being spent or how many AMERICAN lives are being lost for no apparent reason.

just keep feeding the machine, you are free to do what they tell you :D
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“Um..Ped were you blowing Chunks during civics class (Chunks being a doberman)? The budget is passed by ...the Congress. Yep, see that is a part of the LEGISLATIVE branch. The President is part of the EXECUTIVE branch.

Next I want to know what Slick did to mobilize us for the terror movement. All I remember him dealing with were those evil terrorsits in Waco, Ruby Ridge...oh yeah and he took out that Terrorist from CUBER...what was his name Elian?”

“Um..Ped were you blowing Chunks during civics class (Chunks being a doberman)? The budget is passed by ...the Congress. Yep, see that is a part of the LEGISLATIVE branch. The President is part of the EXECUTIVE branch.

Next I want to know what Slick did to
mobilize us for the terror movement. All I remember him dealing with were those evil terrorsits in Waco, Ruby Ridge...oh yeah and he took out that Terrorist from CUBER...what was his name Eli

dodge and weave, dodge and weave. almost changed the subject again!

:D


p.s. congress passes or fails a budget which is presented to it by the.........guess? hint: its not the judicial branch. maybe you should have been awake in civics class ?
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“p.s. congress passes or fails a budget which is presented to it by the.........guess? hint: its not the judicial branch. maybe you should have been awake in civics class ?

Hello? It doesn't matter who presents a budget, it matters who passes it. Right? Hello? It then gets modified to the hilt, by Congress, who must either reject or approval a budget? I think that's how it goes, anyway. Something like that. I could be wrong, but... nah. :Þ”

“seriously, you guys dont know what youre talking about.

http://origin.www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/
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“LOL...and then there is the SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT scene..remember the SFB in Yosemite who was losing his job. Granted you have to love it Bush 41 blew that but Clinton and the press made it the Congress's fault.

mjw...I am certain you can tell me what date the number of Americans who died in Combat in World War II reached those of the ones killed at Pearl Harbor..but that would be an insult to the heroes who are giving and have given their lives.”

“maybe "ben's guide" for grades six through eight might be a good place for many of you to start.

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/6-8/government/national/budget.html”

“but that would be an insult to the heroes who are giving and have given their lives

thats probably why i would never make such a bogus assertion.

im still waiting for someone to make me a list of all the reasons we, the people, have been told our engagement in iraq is necessary. make a list, see how many explanations you can find.

continue making faulty comparisons to distract yourself from things that should be forcing you to re-evaluate what you think of the world.
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“I liked how in Clinton’s book he blamed the whole Monica thing on Congress. If the repub lead congress would not have shut the government down then he would not have been alone with Monica and it never would have happened. Bawhahahahha!

Yeah, he has no honesty or responsibility issues.”

“Actually the Monica thing was just a typical Clinton screw up...if he had come out and said, 'Yeah I did her, she flashed that little thong at me and some things happened. Hillary and I are working through it."

Boom...end of story. But to admit HE made a mistake would destroy him in his little fantasyland.

Sorry libbies to hit you so hard...here put some ice on that.
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“I liked how in Clinton’s book he blamed the whole Monica thing on Congress. If the repub lead congress would not have shut the government down then he would not have been alone with Monica and it never would have happened. Bawhahahahha!

Yeah, he has no honesty or responsibility issues

thats not hte context in which Clinton is saying the republicans are at fault.

he is saying that its abominable taht the same republicans who accused him of trying to shift media focus away from the monica scandal by telling america of this guy named bin laden and how he bombed them are the same who now like to say that he was too busy worrying about monica to do anything about terrorism.

you cant have it both ways.

and you certainly need to understand the issue before you attribute it to someone.”

“Hello, are you reading your own links?

"It allows the President to provide a suggested spending framework to Congress for use in deciding (1) how much money to spend, (2) what to spend it on, and (3) how to raise the money they have decided to spend."

"According to the Constitution, all Federal appropriations must be authorized by Congress. This is a source of great power for Congressknown as the "power of the purse".”

“Actually the Monica thing was just a typical Clinton screw up...if he had come out and said, 'Yeah I did her, she flashed that little thong at me and some things happened. Hillary and I are working through it."

Boom...end of story. But to admit HE made a mistake would destroy him in his little fantasyland.

Sorry libbies to hit you so hard...here put some ice on that.

sorry to make you ignore every pertinent thing i say.

it must be exhausting trying to maintain a certain worldview when every bit of factual evidence presented to you contradicts it.

maybe thats why youre so violent.”

“Hello, are you reading your own links?

"It allows the President to provide a suggested spending framework to Congress for use in deciding (1) how much money to spend, (2) what to spend it on, and (3) how to raise the money they have decided to spend."

"According to the Constitution, all Federal appropriations must be authorized by Congress. This is a source of great power for Congressknown as the "power of the purse"

so you mean to tell me that it was actually the republican congress of the mid 90s who is responsible for the budget surplus we had?

or are you going to deny that congress approved any of the budget proposals that clinton made over an 8 year period?

p.s. the next line in the paragraph you quoted is

"Once the President's Budget is received by Congress, the House of Representatives works to create a budget resolution, which sets the base line level of spending for the Federal Government as required by the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. Once this bottom line is established, Congress acts to decide how this level of funding will be dispersed among Federal activities."
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“What I said had nothing to do with what Clinton said on TV or his failures at fighting terrorism. We know he used the criminal war against our friends Yugoslavia as his media shift and NOT OBL. XL’s post about government shut downs reminded me of it.

Lighten up Francis.”

“mjw...you do know Richard Clark (Clinton's Hero) WAS in National Security on 9/11....Bill is not a reliable source...to believe anything that man says is just a fantasy. You know it, I know it, and there is no need to debate the meaning of the word IS.”

“hey guys, you can listen to reason that is backed up by facts, or you can continue to "follow your gut" and drive us all into the ground.

your choice really. but dont ever act surprised when it happens.”