Islamo-facism???

“Interesting interview, highlight:

IDEAS: How do you understand radical Islamism? Is it, as some say, the successor to Marxism?

FERGUSON: It is. The great category error of our time is to equate radical Islamism with fascism. If you actually read what Osama bin Laden says, it's clearly Lenin plus the Koran. It's internationalist, revolutionary, and anticapitalist-rhetoric far more of the left than of the right. And radical Islamism is good at recruiting within our society, within western society generally. In western Europe, to an extent people underestimate here, the appeal of radical Islamism extends beyond Muslim communities.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/09/24/qa_with_niall_ferguson/?page=1”

“I think the parallels to Lennin, or to a lesser extent, the left-anarchists of the early 20th century are interesting - maybe more interesting that the parallels to fascism.”

“LOL..anticapitalist...just another word for Failures looking for an easy way to redistribute the wealth to THEIR pocket.

Please show me a truly successful socialist system.

http://www.mises.org/story/2319
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“Unions?”

“Sweden?”

“The Pentagon?”

“Okay the Democratic Party has been pretty successful losing to the Republicans...since being a LOSER is part and parcel of Socialisim....”

“The Pentagon.”

“The problem with saying "unions" is that isn't a complete system, in any sense. Unions are fed by means outside the union, noteably taxes and consumers. In other words, they are sustained much like a well being fed from an outside stream. That said, the consumers or taxes can go elsewhere (which they have in the automobile industry), and is why you see so much lobbying from unions -- they don't want to be made dry.

In the case of unions, it's other, outside, more successful systems, that choose to feed them and grant them success.

A contained socialistic entity WILL fail by it's nature.
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“MarkO..the PENTAGON..you mean with the GENERALS over the COLONELS over the MAJORS etc etc....? HMM lets see how that is a government redistribution of the success...hmm just won't register..but I am sure you will find a way to take a shot at me becuase my dog died a few years ago leading me to start the Good bye Old friend thread.”

“So unions are just a money sucking, self serving tool of socialists and actually a socialist system? Ok, I can live with that.”

“Nice try ped.

One has to wonder what Islamism has to do with fascism.”

“Two wings without a bird!!!”

“Anybody want to tackle the issue raised as to whether the jihadis are better understood as fascists vs. lenninists (communists)?”

“How about cold blooded murderers? I vote for that one.”

“Are you saying that cold blooded murderers can't be fascist or lenninist?”

“You tell me. Did I say that?”

“I'm saying that the jihadis are best understood as cold blooded murderers. Anything else would not properly describe them.”

“I think neither and both Ped. Because there is a religious zealotry there I say they are different than either one. But at the same time they seek global domination so in that light I’d say more fascist.”

“I just say Target....as for union...Nigal I think my Union is pretty cool isn't it?”

“If you want to see how deep it goes and just how stupid they get check out this video from MEMRI who translated this news story (mainstream btw) from Iran. In this story they expose the dirty effing Zionist plot behind the cola companies. Did you know Pepsi stands for ‘Pay Each Penny Save Israel’? How could I be so blind!? It says they make hundreds of thousands of billions from this. LOL! Worth the watch.

http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1277#”

“Gee Satan must be behind Pepsi, since "Brad's drink" was renamed "Pepsi- Cola" about 50 years before the modern founding of Israel.

But the whole diabolical conspiracy makes sense. Pepsi Cola was invented by Caleb Bradham. Caleb was one of the two spies sent by Moses into Palestine who called for the people of Israel to immediately enter Palestine and occupy it, while the other 10 spies were afraid to do it. Caleb was therefore a Zionist Zealot and the fact that the inventor of Pepsi was named Caleb is proof positive.

If for some odd reason you need more proof, the letters in his last name, "Bradham," can be rearranged to spell "BAD HARM."”

“http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/2006/09/013247print.html

Cute, and neat....guess who is running the show in England?”

“Of course, the headline is misleading.

Headline says: UK cemetery: Christian graves must face Mecca

Text says: Only on special request can families have graves with headstones facing in a different direction.

It seems like the real problem is conformity. The Moslems are only asking that their graves face Mecca and are happy to have others make different choices.”

“Ah, the resident muslim apologist gets all "moderate" on us. If Pedx is logically consistent, then he would be just fine with school-led prayer, as long as the individual students can opt out. After all, I'm sure the christians for school prayer would be "happy to have others make different choices".

BTW, the article says that people not wishing to be buried like terrorists muslimes have to pay any additional costs in maintenance and stuff.”

“Might be a little difference. The dead people in the cemetary probably wouldn't exposed to the same societal/peer pressure that the non-participating kids in school might.”

“wtf is facism? prejudice against certain faces?”

“. If Pedx is logically consistent, then he would be just fine with school-led prayer, as long as the individual students can opt out.

i could go along with that in theory, but the reality is the combination of peer pressure to conform and the control and authority of the teacher would not make for an atmosphere conducive to "opting out", most of the time

and since there are no muslims that i know of that are regulars on this board, i'd like to send out a big "PHUCK YOU" to anyone who uses the word "muslime". doesnt matter if you meant it only for the terrorists or extremists
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“LOL - Mr. PC's sensibilities were offended.
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“Cujo -

Did you read the article??? Did you think this through?

First, I pointed having them face Mecca unless they opt out isn't the same as saying they must opt out.

By you "logic" - one couldn't observe that organized optional school prayer isn't the same thing as mandatory school prayer without being a supporter of optional school prayer. Of course your analogy also ignores the difference between children and adults and the confromity pressures that one faces in opting out of something that has majority and institutional endorsement.

Secondly, I didn't defend the policy. I think its a dumb policy and the funamental mistake made is the aministrators desire to have all the headstones conform, not the Moslems wish to have their headstones face Mecca. You'll note that the local Mullah opposed the policy.”

“First, I pointed having them face Mecca unless they opt out isn't the same as saying they must opt out.

Um, sure you did. The point is, they're catering to a specific religion, at the de facto exclusion of others.

By you "logic" - one couldn't observe that organized optional school prayer isn't the same thing as mandatory school prayer without being a supporter of optional school prayer.

In English please?

Of course your analogy also ignores the difference between children and adults and the confromity pressures that one faces in opting out of something that has majority and institutional endorsement.

Whatever. The analogy was for illustrative proposes only, to show the hypocrisy of the PC addled. That you took it literally and tried to squirm out of it says a lot about your thinking.

You'll note that the local Mullah opposed the policy.

You lie. Here's the truth that exposes your lie:

Raza Ul Haq, Imam at the Madni Masjid Mosque, in Gladstone Street, Forest Fields, said: "It is part of our religion for dead bodies to face Mecca. It is very important.

He goes on to make a facile claim of accomodation. No opposition to it.
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“nice job, cujo. you have nothing to say, so you play the PC card.”

“LOL....ofcourse it is no problem. I mean it was not a problem when the Euroweenies let The Rhineland, Czechoslovakia, Austria go. Heck it was not a problem when we let JIMUH bend us over for the PRK in the 1990's.

LOL...the theory of incrementalisim is totally lost on some people. Or maybe SOME people are calmed by the thought that as their head rolls across a soccer stadium for being an infidel, they will die knowing at least "THOSE PEOPLE" were wiped out first .....(LOL) Ain't that right Violin?”

“It's not that I don't have anything to say, bearmagnet, it's that I'm laughing at your poorly affected moral outrage born of white man's guilt that, after decades of muslim terrorism and silent support from their "moderates", we might hurt their feelings.”

“more like disgust that you prefer to add fuel to the fire for your own jollies”

“What else is fuego for, if not our jollies?”

“Ya gotta have a postive outlook on life to have jollies”

““more like disgust that you prefer to add fuel to the fire for your own jollies”

kinda like that (and this)?”

“Heck recently Spain had to stop the celebrations of their independence from the Moorish (re Moslem) invaders. Apparently it was harming the sensibilities of the LSHs.”

“fuego=jollies oh yea. forgot. my bad


kinda like that (and this)?”

nope. im not feeling jollified”

“I suppose you've always made a point of being equally vocal and outraged at people insulting Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc etc? *snicker*”

“that is hardly apt. christianity is the dominant religion in this country, while muslims are the most villified. christians dont need anyone to stick up for them

snicker yourself”

“that said, if ive ever called a christian a name, then i apologize to all christians.”

“while muslims are the most villified

The point is, they're not villified without GOOD reason! To be honest, though, I do hate Christianity only slightly less than those who worship that pedophile murderous prophet Mohammed. Does that count for anything?”

“Cute how Cujo skips past the portions of the article which undermine his case:

The local imam also opposes this preposterous bit of dhimmitude:

Raza Ul Haq, Imam at the Madni Masjid Mosque, in Gladstone Street, Forest Fields, said: "It is part of our religion for dead bodies to face Mecca. It is very important.

"If for the Christians, this is part of their religion that they should be facing towards somewhere else, then we are 200% in support of them. It is our job to help and support them. If that is their requirement, then we will be supporting the Christians."[b]”

“The local imam also opposes this preposterous bit of dhimmitude:

That was just posted on the blog. Read the seminal article! Sheesh!

If for the Christians, this is part of their religion that they should be facing towards somewhere else, then we are 200% in support of them. It is our job to help and support them. If that is their requirement, then we will be supporting the Christians.

Right, like I said, a hollow remark to dissimulate his gloating.”

“Gloating? Where do you find evidence for gloating? Seems like a very bizarre interpretation to me.
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“Come on Ped, stop supporting terrorism! LOL!”

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