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Hey Violin, The people have spoken.


Oh yeah, and the special interest groups have made sure the right people spoke loudest.
Phaedrus
12:11:18 PM
11/08/02

Cure the evils of Democracy by the evils of Fascism! Funny therapeutics! I've heard of their curing syphilis by giving the patient malaria, but I've never heard of their curing malaria by giving the patient syphilis.

--Sinclair Lewis
Indiana John
12:20:32 PM
11/08/02

I will live by my own policies
I will sleep with a clear conscience
I will sleep in peace

Sinead O'Connor
tarabull
12:29:04 PM
11/08/02

hmmmm...
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."




















-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Phaedrus
7:39:26 PM
11/16/02

....everything from ruler, minister, husband, wife, and friends to mountains, rivers, heavenly and earthly spirits, birds, animals, and plants; all should be truly loved in order to realize my humanity which forms a unity, and then my clear character will be completely manifested and I will really form one body with heaven, earth, and the myriad things.

--Wang Yang-ming
sixteenth century Chinese writer
Indiana John
9:09:09 AM
11/17/02

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing
is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is
willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal
safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free,
unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stuart Mill
Father Goose
10:26:50 AM
11/17/02

Good example, Father Goose!
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Phaedrus
2:50:49 PM
11/17/02

Yeah, I read it the first time. So what? I reiterate;

A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill"
Father Goose
5:43:59 PM
11/17/02

Like I said: Your quote was a good example of mine. Moving on:

Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.

Sir Winston Churchill
Phaedrus
6:05:19 PM
11/17/02

Why don't you all just ph-ph-ph-phade away!?
Phade:

When did Winny say that?
pedxing
6:08:45 PM
11/17/02

My Early Life: A Roving Commission, 1930
Phaedrus
6:10:57 PM
11/17/02

What a wimp!
bacqac
6:19:35 PM
11/17/02

"You will never know how much it has cost my
generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good
use of it." --John Quincy Adams
stratdewd
6:50:02 PM
11/17/02

"National defense is one of the cardinal duties of a
statesman." --John Adams
stratdewd
6:53:26 PM
11/17/02

They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for one's country. But in modern war there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason.

--Ernest Hemingway, Notes on the Next War
Indiana John
9:19:20 AM
11/18/02

fz
MY-Y-Y SISTER DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED;
SHE DON'T WANNA GO!
MY SISTER DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED!
MY-Y-Y SISTER DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED;
SHE DON'T WANNA GO!
MY SISTER DON'T WANNA GET DRAFTED!

"WARS ARE REALLY UGLY,
THEY'RE DIRTY AND THEY'RE COLD!
I DON'T WANT NOBODY
TO SHOOT ME IN THE FOX-HOLE-- FOX-HOLE!"
Limpy
11:38:34 AM
11/18/02

If you can’t say something nice, say something surrealistic.
Zippy the Pinhead
le Subtil
12:33:32 PM
11/18/02

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

M. Ehrmann
Limpy
12:33:07 PM
11/19/02

Hey, Limpy! Long live Frank Z's music!!! Good one. Just remember "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny."
treebeard
12:35:10 PM
11/19/02

A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams.
--John Barrymore
tarabull
6:00:51 PM
11/25/02

sounds better than "your as old as you feel"
hyway
6:29:49 PM
11/25/02

That, if then I had waked after a long sleep, will make me sleep again; and then, in dreaming, the clouds me thought would open and show riches ready to drop upon me; that, when I waked I cried to dream again.


~ William Shakespeare ~
newboy
12:15:39 PM
11/26/02

I know when I'm licked.... All over

Flo and Eddie - Mothers at the Fillmore
treebeard
12:47:40 PM
11/26/02

My butt itches
whats better than that???????
Jello Fog
12:54:59 PM
11/26/02

"I regret that statement, because my office has been flooded with angry phone calls from circus clowns all over America. They resent that comparison, and so I would like to extend my apologies to Bozo, Chuckles and Krusty."

- Senator John McCain on comparing Rush Limbaugh to a "circus clown.”
Violin
1:33:31 PM
11/29/02

I'll remember forever, when I was but three,
Mama, who was clever remarking to me:
"If, son, when you're grown up, you want everything nice,
I've got your future sewn up if you take this advice:

Be a clown!
Be a clown!
All the world loves a clown...
Act the fool, play the calf
And you'll always have the last laugh,
Wear the cap and the bells
And you'll rate with all the great swells,
If you become a doctor, folks'll face you with dread,
If you become a dentist, they'll be glad when you're dead,
You'll get a bigger hand if you can stand on your head.
Be a clown, be a clown, be a clown!

Be a clown!
Be a clown!
All the world loves a clown...
Be a crazy buffoon
And the 'demoiselles'll all swoon,
Dress in huge baggy pants
And you'll ride the road to romance,
A butcher or a baker ladies never embrace,
A barber for a beau would be a social disgrace,
They all'll come to call if you can fall on your face.
Be a clown, be a clown, be a clown!

Be a clown!
Be a clown!
All the world loves a clown...
Be the poor silly ass
And you'll always travel first class,
Give 'em quips, give 'em fun,
And they'll pay to say you're A-1,
If you become a farmer you've the weather to buck,
If you become a gambler, you'll be stuck with your luck
But jack you'll never lack if you can quack like a duck,
Be a clown, be a clown, be a clown!



"Be A Clown"
Cole Porter

Gene Kelly & Judy Garland
The Pirate (1948)

6:47:49 PM
11/29/02

I talk big when I talk of someday.
I hope to live every word I say.

- Stacey Earle
tarabull
2:53:52 PM
11/30/02

Do one thing, every day, that scares you.

- Eleanor Roosevelt
tarabull
3:01:11 PM
11/30/02

"The instinct to command others, in its primitive essence, is a carnivorous, altogether bestial and savage instinct. Under the influence of the mental development of man, it takes on a somewhat more ideal form and becomes somewhat ennobled, presenting itself as the instrument of reason and the devoted servant of that abstraction, or political fiction, which is called the public good. But in its essence it remains just as baneful, and it becomes even more so when, with the application of science, it extends its scope and intensifies the power of its action. If there is a devil in history, it is this power principle."
-- Mikhail Aleksandrovich Bakunin (1814-76), Russian anarchist, political theorist
Phaedrus
3:23:01 PM
11/30/02

"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary, "patriotism" is defined as the last resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first."

Ambrose Bierce
Tilt
6:58:40 PM
11/30/02

You're going to have to give us a little history there, Tilt
backpackersthrone
7:29:31 PM
12/02/02

The reference is to Samuel Johnson's famous quote that 'patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrel'.

Bierce felt the need to modify it somewhat, <grin>. I wonder who he had in mind...
Tilt
11:59:07 PM
12/02/02

Tilt
12:03:47 AM
12/03/02

Tilt: I think he had William Randolph Hearst in mind... first guess from this sleepy brain.
pedxing
12:04:40 AM
12/03/02

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

-- Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburgers meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting.
Violin
12:31:45 PM
12/03/02

"I could've conquered Europe -- all of it. But I had women in my life!"

"Henry II"
Peter O'Toole
The Lion In Winter (1968)
Tilt
4:59:04 AM
12/06/02

and conversely....
Here with a loaf of bread beneath the bough,
A flask of wine, a book of verse -
and thou beside me singing in the wilderness -
And wilderness is paradise now.

from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (1st Ed.) Verse 11
Translated by Fitzgerald, Edward (1809 - 1883)
Tilt
10:57:19 AM
12/07/02

"When I was a young man I vowed never to marry until I found the ideal woman. Well, I found her but, alas, she was waiting for the ideal man."
-- Alain
Phaedrus
6:48:42 PM
12/07/02

"Don't hold a cat and a dustbuster at the same time."

I think I might have heard that one here actually....
deathmarch99
6:57:18 PM
12/07/02

Loving life is easier when you paddle.
paddler
8:35:17 PM
12/07/02

She'll take another qualude and she'll love me in the morning. "Scarface"
paddler
10:51:45 PM
12/07/02

jaysus murphey, Paddler

LOL
Tilt
12:29:37 AM
12/08/02

one for the TC2 crowd....
"According to these chicken guts, there's gonna be a big ruckus here this weekend."

"Dorita"
Nell Carter
Modern Problems (1981)
Ken Shapiro, Tom Sherohman &
Arthur Sellers
Tilt
9:44:46 AM
12/08/02

"Always marinade your scallop!"

-- Martin Yan
Tilt
2:50:35 PM
1/11/03

Kill them all. Let God sort them out.


Can't remember where it's from, but that's been my attitude lately.
treebait
4:22:23 PM
1/21/03

HELL YA!!!!!!!
I AGREE 100% WITH THAT!!!!!!

8)
Crazy Mike Backpacks
4:23:11 PM
1/21/03

great thread!!
wisdom is not as much the art of knowing as it is knowing the arts.

young grasshopper
Briar Rabbit
7:38:15 PM
1/21/03

Good point BR!

8)
Crazy Mike Backpacks
7:39:54 PM
1/21/03

slugs taste like okra...



stratdewd
stratdewd
7:55:25 PM
1/21/03

Yucko! Stratdewd eats Okra!

"Say that again, and I'll wuppya so hard upsider yo' hed dat yo' brains gonna look like cream'd okra."

My friend Brian's Mom when he got sassy with her.
pedxing
9:10:53 PM
1/21/03

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