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“Just to let you all know...
I will try to explain this best I can:
Brand is Rheem/GE Smart Shield/Water, Gas Water Heater
Is a piece of shyt.
Don't buy one.
Has a combustion shutoff device that IF it is tripped, the water heater must be replaced. There is NO replacement for this water heater device. Why? Mo' Money for the Manufacturer, I suppose.
It was intended to be a safety device. However, this device "trips" at the least amount of "lint" in the side/bottom vents and requires replacement of the water heater.
I have had two incidents this past two weeks for this brand of water heater and absolutely no assitance from the manufacturer. I have searched the internet and found forums that state replacement is necessary. The kicker? Water heaters were less than 3 years old with a 12 year warranty but this "device" is not covered and requires replacement.
Apparently, you can no longer purchase the old style water heater where you just light a pilot. You must purchase a combustion type where the water heater is all air tight. With the new systems, any amount of dryer lint, dog hair, etc., can plug your intake of air on the water heater, and trip this device.
Unbelievable. You would think with the Japanese making pretty good cars that the U.S. would at least try to make appliances that last a little longer than 3 years. Not only that but you, as a customer, CANNOT maintain your own appliances unless you have the knowledge to do so, and these manufacturers make that quite difficult.
Sorry. I am just pissed off about this because I spent 4 hours at a customers house tonight trying to get them hot water only to find out that their 3 year old Rheem/GE water heater is a piece of shyt and cannot be repaired.
Again, the part that failed is called a combustion shutoff device. This one failed because of a very small amount of dryer lint. The lint was removed but the device makes the whole appliance unrepairable at that point. What a crock of shyt. Don't buy one of these.”
“Thanks for the warning Wolfeyes.”
“Wolfeyes - you should send a copy of the above to GE - probably won't do you much good but it will fck with the Six Sigma numbers for the Smart Shield Sensor folks - link - http://www.geappliances.com/smartwater/contact_fs.htm”
I buy electric water heaters.
LOVE my propane heater!”
“Thanks, WE. I'm thinking about replacing mine this year, before it goes.
Have you heard anything "bad" about the "on demand" wall mounted ones? We looking at upgrading the water heater to a model that will not detract sellers from buying our house when we put it up in about two years.
Thanks in advance!”
“My brother in law LOVES his demand water heaters. He ran a gas company till he sold it.”
“We've done some research on on demand. They're excellent but you won't see your money (they cost way more), unless you live in the house for quite a few years.”
“Unless you intergrate them into new construction, they tend to look like crap mounted on your walls.
Sass is correct. Savings will only come in the long haul.”
“I looked into one of these when I lost my water heater in the flood in September. Exactly what the guys said above.”
“I used to think on demand were the best, and wanted one. Now I think the best bang for the buck is to keep your tank-based water heater (either gas or electric) and add solar water heat to it. The solar heats up the water in your existing tank using a drop-in heat exchanger.
Solar system cost: $4500
Federal tax credit for 2007-2008: $-2000
Total cost: $2500
On-demand systems end up saving you 30% of your original gas/electric usage and last 20 years, solar saves you 80% and lasts 30 years. You still have to replace the tank every 10 or so years, but only at a cost of a few hundred bucks (for electric). Since LPG/NG costs are going to continue to rise steeply, that extra 50% saved between the 2 systems quickly tips the balance in favor of the solar system despite its higher initial cost.
If you install a ground-source heat pump for heat/AC, many units can warm DHW as a free byproduct, but I think only when its in heat mode. That's another way to go.”
“"They're excellent but you won't see your money (they cost way more), unless you live in the house for quite a few years."
The cost savings to me at this point, and in this home, is not what is really important. A "selling feature" for the next person is. What I don't want to do, is put in a "funky" system and have it be a turn off for someone buying the house.
Teck -- I do not know how effective a solar one would be in my area of the Union. I can barely keep the solar powered accent lights in the front yard charged enough this time of year (prolly not a good to judge it this way, tho). We will be looking at installing a geothermal system in the next home we occupy (with solar and wind generators to supplement our electric), but I'm just trying to put a few bells and whistles on my present home to make it more "marketable" to sell. Our area of the 'Hood is known for a eco-friendly philosophy and I'm trying to play into that.”
“I love my tankless. The big advantage is an endless supply of hot water.”
“Solar thermal and PV is doable all the way up to the poles (PV is used by several data/scientific stations up there). To make solar thermal work in MI and other places where its cold more often than not, evacuated tubes are best instead of plate collecters. The tubes work like a thermos bottle - inner tube with the glycol, then vacuum, then the outer shell which is coated with something that lets most infrared in but very little out. Very high efficency. Those solar lights you have use cheap PV, for starters. They could be shaded, the cell doesn't face due south, battery could be weak, etc.
Other cheap things to add to your current place: CFL's, water heater timer (for electric and possibly some gas models), eco-friendly insulation (see this link to see how much you should have in the attic: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/roofs+walls/insulation/ins_05.html ).
last edited: 1/09/07 9:57:32 AM”
“Great, I think that's the water heater that comes with our new house.”
“I'm just getting around to reading my Dec-Jan issue of Homepower, and this comes from the "ask the Experts" section. The opinion differs from mine, I would still lean towards evacuated tubes because of the extreme degree-heating-days of the north-central states like MI.
" [question:]"The evacuated tubes put out more per
square foot of roof space.”
Generally, this is
not true except in extreme conditions—either
very high temperature inlet or in extremely
I believe that evacuated tube collectors can
be the best value for use in certain situations,
but those situations are scarce in the United
States. When it comes to pressurized domestic
hot water systems, I haven’t ever seen a case
where any evacuated tube collector (because
of their higher cost per square foot) can
compete on the basis of Btu produced per
year, per dollar, with a well-made flat-plate
collector in any state but Alaska.
Because of the never-ending rise in the
price of copper, evacuated tube collectors
may be more cost-competitive in the
future—they are typically made with less
“The last time I bought a water heater, I just checked out Consumers Reports for their top rated energy efficient water heater, waited for it to go on sale, and bought it. That was 22 years ago.”
“Q often what you put into your home will not come back in your selling price. We have a friend who is a realtor and he gave us a nice list of which items and features people gravitate too. It's all totally cosmetic. The fact that you have a NEW water heater will be the selling point most folks notice. The majority of people don't even know what an on demand water heater is.”
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