not working? send more troops

“so his big plan failed, so his new plan is to send in 23000 more troops to war.

hmmmm remind me WHY we are there agian?”

“I think it's more about regaining control. IMHO it's not enough. We should flood the country with troops, gain control of the borders FIRST and then gain control of Baghdad and work our way outward from there.

No more kid gloves and trying to win the hearts and minds of people who will never like us. Kick ass and come home.”

“I think Dubya's big plan was, "let's do it!".

WHY??

PETROLEUM”

“LOL - there goes Mark with his dumbass hippy conspiracy theories.”

“Thanks for showing your ass, Mutt.

The problem with this kind of war is that most of the "enemy" are natives.
There is no invader to drive out.
Those outsiders who do go there to fight are drawn by the opportunity to kill Americans who are conveniently offered up as targets by our dear leader.
Now he wants to send in more.

I'm afraid that we are simply headed for mayhem on a grander scale with little chance for a "victory" in the conventional sense.”

“The question is....
is Mutt 'showing his a$$' if mArKo really is a 'dumbass hippy'?
LOL”

“I thought we did they kick ass thing already, How did that work out again? You do realise its impossible to gain complete control over the country? Bush is just sending more disposable people into the slaughter to back up a failed policy he refuses to acknowledge as wrong. Bush can send his own children, this cause does not warrent the death of ours.

"No dictator or force of arms can hold a people forever." - G'Kar
last edited: 1/11/07 8:42:37 AM”

“"send more troops"

That line reminds me of one of those "Morning of the Dead" flicks back in the 80's, where the zombies came back, due to a radioactive spill and would shout "Brains!".

After they eat through the skulls of the cops, the chick on the radio is asking the dead officers what should they do. A zombie gets on the mic and sezs "Send more cops".”

“8 Trillion Dollars (T rillion) millions of lives lost, families destroyed, and futures locked into a cycle of dependency that ends in Drugs, Incarceration, obesity, or death.
Its called the War on Poverty, started by the Dems in 1960 and kept alive by the moderates in the Republican Party.

Need examples, look at New Orleans...today they called for MORE TROOPS to pacify it. Time to end the Government Sponsored Slavery.”

“Personally I find the modern way of warfare a sure loser. War is a horrible thing. When we have to go to war we should go in with overwhelming force and seek to destroy our enemy as quickly as possible. Then play the propping up and rebuilding of a nation.

A very clear example of this was last year during the Israeli/Lebanese conflict where Israel was strongly condemned by the world (huh, big surprise there) for disproportionate force. Israel capitulated and the conflict was a loss for them.

Kill. Crush. Destroy. Win. Spare lives.”

“Warning: One F Bomb in the Beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K8ipmU42cY”

“All george has ever wanted is to prop up a puppet government that can stand straight long enough to sign oil contracts with western corps. That would naturally lead to an Iraqi government of, for and buy the corps and would have rather than Saudi rags on their heads - cowboy hats and oil stained hard hats.”

“...We should flood the country with troops...
Nigal
8:16:08 AM
1/11/07

the reason we arent sending more than 20000 troops is WE DONT HAVE ANY MORE to send. you cant send what you dont have

the time for your plan was when we invaded. 20000 troops is just more cannon fodder for a city of 6 milion angry iraqis”

“And yet not one libbie replies to the comment about Government Slavery....wow you guys have sold your soul to the Company Store.”

“Well... a bill that gives western oil companies 75% of the profits for the first years was recently presented to that puppet government. Or is that just hippie propaganda?”

“Salebored nailed it...........motive.....opportunity”

““Well... a bill that gives western oil companies 75% of the profits for the first years was recently presented to that puppet government. Or is that just hippie propaganda?”

This would all depend on what the companies are putting up front. Are they building (and rebuilding and rebuilding) the oil infrastructure in Iraq? If they are investing in the country they should get a return. A return, not a free ticket to sack the countries revenues.”

“no one replies to your lame "history" lessons because they have nothing to do with the situation




or reality”

“From what I've read, it goes down to 20% in later years which is double the industry norm.”

“...and XL, you're totally off topic, but here's your response: http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html

It appears you're wrong again.
last edited: 1/11/07 10:03:28 AM”

““From what I've read, it goes down to 20% in later years which is double the industry norm.”

Then that's BS and they shouldn't agree to it. A reasonable profit is understandable but double? I can even understand a higher cost due to environmental dangers, AKA lead poisoning at 2,500 fps, but still.”

“Unlike some here, I have sources: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/western-companies-may-get-75/story.aspx?guid=%7B09CFDDFD-E299-4659-A8C3-5ADE6E26579E%7D&dist=TNMostMailed”

“Supporters counter that the 75%-profit provision will last only until they have recouped their initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20% of profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. This is still twice the industry average for such deals.

They're still getting taken to the cleaners.”

“Those companies will use their first profits to buy all Iraqis a car so they too can become slaves to the four wheeled monsters and ,thus, spend most of their income on them.”

“Oh, somebody's gettin' drilled alright.”

“Dick says to George,' Hey George, I just talked to all the guys that first smoked 'crack' at that party 4 years ago.They all say they've lost their jobs and all strung out like both of us'.
last edited: 1/11/07 11:08:45 AM”

“Vile, thank you for your totally ridiculous response...David give you that in Teheran? (LOL)

Amazing what a month can make with libbies.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-12-17T183857Z_01_N17432969_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-IRAQ.xml&src=rss

Dingy Harry FOR an increase...but then

WHEN YOU HAVE LIBBIES LIBBIES LIBBIES
AT THE TABLE TABLE TABLE
THEY WILL CHANGE THE RULES TO SUIT THEM
AS THEY ARE ABLE ABLE ABLE...

Vile, you cannot cover the mistakes up any more than your buddy Duke can cover up names like Dauchau, Ravensbruuk, The Dora Mittlewerks, Buchenwald......you guys have one plan, you want the US weaker so that you can finish the final solution, you have never argued that point.

The difference is you want to be graded on INTENTIONS...so when you jack up the NO RESPONSIBILITY programs, condemn millions more to Government Slavery (oh by the way the average family (if you call it that) on the Full ride is WAY about low income when you factor the free money they are getting) we are required to Approve of the Intentions....for the Republicans you want RESULTS and you want them now.....”

“What the?...”

“Fire Bell; Dingaling dingaling!!!!”

“SO lets see Vile, the Oil companies are going to invest in the manpower, security for the crews, equipment and take a chance on some towelheaded camel jockey blowing up their investment.....but they cannot reap any reward? Okay...now the kid that practices day and night to become a great sports star...say Thugball I guess he should be paid a "basic wage" with nothing to show for persistence and taking a challenge? (LOL) good little libbie....
How bout this...”

“

800,000 Privileged Youths Enlist To Fight In Iraq

WASHINGTON, DC—Citing a desire to finally make a difference in Iraq, in the past two weeks, more than 800,000 young people from upper-middle- and upper-class families have put aside their education, careers, and physical well-being to enlist in the military, new data from the Department Of Defense shows.

"I don't know if it was the safety and comfort of the holidays or what, but I realized that my affluence and ease of living comes at a cost," said Private Jonathan Grace, 18, who was to commence studies at Dartmouth College next fall, but will instead attend 12 weeks of basic training before being deployed to Fallujah with the 1st Army Battalion. "I just looked at my parents in their cashmere sweaters and thought, 'Who am I to go to an elite liberal arts college and spend all my time reading while, in the real world, thousands of kids my age are sacrificing their lives for our country?' It's not right."

Added Grace: "Whether I agree with the war or not, our president needs us, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let our least advantaged citizens bear the brunt of this awesome burden."

At the on-campus temporary recruitment table at Reed College in Portland, OR, the line of students eager to sign up for active duty stretched around the block Monday. Recruiters across the country reported a similar trend, with scores of young people asking how soon they could be ready to go to battle in Iraq.

"They don't have these recruitment centers where I live," said Daniel Feldman, 26, who resides in the affluent neighborhood of Brookline, MA and recently passed his bar exam. "I didn't realize you could just sign up, but now that I do, all of my friends from law school, yoga class, and temple are going to join, too. And not the Reserves either. We're talking down and dirty, right on the front lines."

Drill sergeants at boot camps in South Carolina and San Diego, though at first skeptical of the recent crop of potential Marines, said they have been impressed by their work ethic, claiming the wealthy youngsters' desire to "do their part" is undeniable.

"They haven't complained once since getting here," Sergeant Greg Forenczek said of the new upper-crust recruits. "Usually, after the first two hours, you know who's going to get dismissed early, but not with these kids. There's a fire in their eyes—a fearless passion to become U.S. soldiers"

"They inspire me," Forenczek added.

New Marine Sierra Pettingill, a 22-year-old sociology major who left Duke University before her final semester, said she felt compelled to serve after realizing she did not have a single acquaintance who had died, or even served, in Iraq.

"I was sending out invitations to my champagne-brunch birthday get-together when I heard that U.S. military casualties in Iraq had reached 2,900," Pettingill said. "I decided then and there that I would not allow this inherently unequal system to perpetuate any longer, no matter how much I want to go have martini night at the Oak Room."

Though most of the privileged enlistee youths said they were motivated by a newfound concern that America's reputation could be permanently damaged with a loss in Iraq, others have cited the examples set by their relatives as instrumental in their decision to join.

"My great-great-great-great grandfather would not have been able to make a fortune in the fur trade and real-estate business had it not been for the brave people who fought in the Revolutionary War," said 24-year-old John Jacob Astor VIII, who has put all of his business ventures on hold indefinitely. "My children are going to know the importance of stepping up to the plate when their nation needs them."

"From this day forth, the Astor name will be synonymous with sacrifice," he added.

U.S. Gen. John Abizaid, who has in the past argued against a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, now says that with the influx of nearly a million troops expected to be on the ground Feb. 1, the region should be stabilized within six weeks.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/privileged_youths_enlist_to_fight_in_iraq (of course)”

“On another board I asked this guy who was compalining about the new plan what he wanted in a plan? His responce was...

umm well

NOT throwing money at the problem
NOT avoiding peace talks with the Resistance organizations.
NOT shooting civilians

thats just a start

Well, this is all well and good but good luck getting this out of anyone in Washington. So you're looking for a cheap war where we sit down to talks with with terrorists and confirm that, yes indeed, terrorism does work and it's a good way to go and you want all this to be done with no civies accidentally being killed.

I can't be sure but I think you are wanting France's army in there. LOL!”

“terrorists... interesting choice of words. We have two factions in a centuries old blood feud and it appears some have to label it terrorism to help make this invasion appear legit...


XL - are you on something? I cant figure out what you are talking about.”

“The French were right on the money this time... as it turns out.

Hmmm?”

“so who here as a family memeber that will be going if Bush gets what he wants?

1. maple and treebeard”

““terrorists... interesting choice of words. We have two factions in a centuries old blood feud and it appears some have to label it terrorism to help make this invasion appear legit...

Sorry. How's this. Individuals of an Abrahamic faith that use gorilla tactics and improvised explosive devises to blow up innocent civilians in an attempt to cause mass fear and capitulation to their political and radical faith based beliefs? PC enough for ya Scooter?”

““so who here as a family memeber that will be going if Bush gets what he wants?

1. maple and treebeard”

Who here has family already there they want to hurry up and come home?

1. Nigal P. Poopypants”

“Perhaps nigal but is it really terrorism?”

“If the discussion gets down to definitions it's over. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Makes no difference what you care to call them as long as they end up dead.”

“So your saying the south should have been allowed to cede or we should have simply shot them all and moved on.....”

“Since the election Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and several other Democratic leaders are on record as saying they want more troops in Iraq.

Now that the President said he is going to do it they are against it. Why aren't Democrats held accountable for their positions?”

“Since which election? Can you provide any citations to that "record"?”

“Does Silvestre Reyes, the democrat appointed to head the House Intelligence Committee count? Heading a committee makes you a democrat leader doesn't it? By the way, he was chosen by Nancy Pelosi. Funny that a man who wants more troops in Iraq was chosen by her.

As the debate over Iraq intensifies, leading Democrat Silvestre Reyes is calling for the deployment of more U.S. troops.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16062351/site/newsweek/
last edited: 1/12/07 4:19:12 PM”

“I think you can count Lieberman, Reyes and Boyda as Democrats who advocated any sort of escalation (in the recent past).

Bacpac mentioned Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Any cites?
last edited: 1/12/07 4:23:40 PM”

“BOTH D+R at fault for KILLING more people.

JUST pull out and saves lives for all...and maybe Bush should step down?”

“Since which election? Can you provide any citations to that "record"?”
Reverend Truth V Wicked
4:00:58 PM
1/12/07

I was referring to the election on November 7, 2006 and yes I can provide citations. Good luck trying to find any yourself. The bias of the media makes finding the truth a real challenge.”