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What's in a name?
I couldn't find a thread on him, but I just now realized how unfortunate his full name is. Yeah, we all know "Obama" sounds a lot like "Osama," but I just saw his middle name: "Hussein." Ouch! I can just hear people repeating his name with emphasis, Barak Hussein Obama. I wonder how much of a handicap that is. If anyone posted this before, I apologize for the redundancy.

It's interesting how some politicians try to emphasize the middle name or middle initial, or even go by their initials. John F Kennedy. Martin Luther King. Often Senator Hillary's supporters seem to prefer "Hilary Rodham Clinton" while opponents don't want to dilute the Clinton. Poor Obama doesn't have a middle name that would be useful in diluting the impact of "Obama."
pedxing
7:49:46 PM
1/16/07

It will be interesting, albeit a tad boring, to see what the blabber-mouths make of Obama's name.
mARKo
7:54:25 PM
1/16/07

CNN and Ted Kennedy have already called him Osama. His biggest handicap is that he has no experience and his voting record is far left wing.
bacpac
8:22:02 PM
1/16/07

Whoa, "far left wing"!

You sayin' Obama is a communist?
mARKo
8:27:20 PM
1/16/07



StoveStomper
8:27:22 PM
1/16/07


the sad thing is, there are enough stupid people in this country to not vote for him simply because a) he is black b) his name sounds like the incarnation of evil
crash bang
10:03:54 PM
1/16/07

Thaere are enough idiots in this country, PERIOD. Remember the last two presidential elections.
tilttiltblam
11:08:14 PM
1/16/07

Maybe I'm baraking up the wrong tree.
tilttiltblam
1:22:06 AM
1/17/07

It is sad that his name is unfortunately similar to an evil person in current events. It’s purely bad timing.

It’s interesting that some people are lining up behind him just because he’s black like some people line up behind Hillary just because she’s a woman. But many folks have different priorities than mine. I don’t feel that people represent me just because they share my skin color or gender. Some people do believe that.

I listened to a story about Obama on NPR this morning. They’re marketing him as the “new and improved” candidate. It’s unfortunate that our elected officials are often marketed as objects instead of for what positions they represent.

Obama talks the talk of the modern politician. He’s all about feel-good. He’s careful not to be too controversial and offend anyone. Like many politicians, I know what he complains about, I just don’t know what plans he has for improving current conditions. I think many people just want to hear optimistic feel-good talk, but nobody I know would admit to that.

The populace gets the kinds of leaders the populace deserves.
arclite
5:45:51 AM
1/17/07

LOL...you can't even grasp the complexities of his "theoretical Run"?

In 1996 we had the MAYBE run of Powell as a Republican. No one wanted to run against a war hero....and he waited just long enough to pull his name out of the ring that BOB (impotence is just life's way of saying "No Hard Feelings") Dole was the only other person in there.
XL400236
7:08:12 AM
1/17/07

so far i am unimpressed. i have listened to a number of his speeches and he has offered nothing new... he just repeats things that other people have said or are obvious. he had an easy run at the senate in illinois in 2002 (basically unopposed). i think he has a long ways to go before he is material for a presidential race. he is going to have to define himself as a candidate or the democrats will have another kerry on their hands... a candidate that stands for everything to nobody.
Jimmy san
7:24:39 AM
1/17/07

Didn't the Republican Machine bring in Alan Keys as a ringer/carpetbagger to oppose Obama?
mARKo
7:27:16 AM
1/17/07

WHOA you got a problem with Black Candidates who don't toe the Plantation Party line there Marky boy?
XL400236
7:31:06 AM
1/17/07

He'll never get the Bubba vote with that name alone.
Mutt
7:33:17 AM
1/17/07

I'm already so tired of hearing about this guy. Everyone fawns all over him like he's the second coming of christ but he has done jack squat.

I heard Bob Sheaffer this morning talking about him and he was comparing Obama's use of the internet to announce he's running to the founding fathers. I thought my effing head was going to explode. The guy's been in for what, two years?

The '08 elections just may push me over the edge.
Nigal
7:56:06 AM
1/17/07

Two different races.

he ran and lost his bid for the us house of representatives in 2000...

he was unopposed in his state senate reelection bid in 2002...

he was basically unopposed in 2004 when he ran against Alan Keys. Keys was drug in by the republicans to replace Jack Ryan who dropped out (throw out... choose your words... the sex club thing). it was a big stink because Keys was a Maryland resident that established residency in Illinois so he could run for the seat. it was widely known that Keys ran just so that some form of political debate would take place to serve the interest of the public. i don't know anyone that thought he could win and he only got 27% of the vote.

so in my opinion he basically ran unopposed in 2004 but he certainly was unopposed in 2002.
last edited: 1/17/07 8:08:52 AM
Jimmy san
8:06:17 AM
1/17/07

...oh, and his name is misspelled in the title of this thread. I don't care if people bash his name. It seems silly to me. Still, the least we could do is spell his name correctly BEFORE it gets bashed.

Barack Hussein Obama
Jimmy san
8:07:30 AM
1/17/07

I can see Dayhiker voting for him just cause he's got Bama in his name.
Nigal
8:11:47 AM
1/17/07

How long did that take you to google, Jimmy San?
Mutt
8:24:49 AM
1/17/07

Roll Tide Roll
dayhiker
8:31:54 AM
1/17/07

Wait, Jimmy you wrote

Jack Ryan who dropped out (throw out... choose your words... the sex club thing).

Do you mean a member of a Political Party had his career ruined by something like that....hmm if only he had been a Democrat he could have made it into a Career MAKER>
XL400236
8:34:18 AM
1/17/07

this country is not ready for a unexperienced black man to be president
Ewker
8:47:34 AM
1/17/07

I truly believe there are people in this country who vote for candidates based on name and/or looks alone.

Obamas' name isn't that bad, although some of the extremists will use it against him.

All the fawning over Obama makes me wonder what more he brings to the table than Dan Quayle did.......Quayle was beat up over his (alleged) lack of smarts and his inexperience. What makes Obama any different? Better speaker?

The fact that we elect ANYBODY in this country without pinning them down for SPECIFIC answers is beyond me. This is the greatest magic trick that seemingly every politician learns: the non-answer. (and we STILL elect them!!!)
Nonconformist
8:48:37 AM
1/17/07

“this country is not ready for a unexperienced black man to be president”

The first black president wasn't all that bad. But he had been the governor of Arkansas for quite a few years first.
Nigal
8:50:01 AM
1/17/07

Quayle was beat up over his (alleged) lack of smarts and his inexperience.

You say potato I say potatoe.

Let's call the whole thing off! LOL!
Nigal
8:51:25 AM
1/17/07

Like Non..i am worried about the CELEBRITY CULT crap around candidates. I think it dilutes the real candidates ability to get a message out. Today it is FLASH and excitement. Granted you have to have a PLAN. And if you look at Barak he has done DOODLEY in the Senate or in any other part of his life. Kinda like the Junior Senator from New York.
XL400236
8:56:48 AM
1/17/07

speaking of not dooing DOODLEY, how come you have so much time to post to this site, mr goverment worker?
hikerboy
9:19:15 AM
1/17/07

Obama has intelligence and articulation if nothing else and he's young enough for the job.

Any candidate over sixty just hasn't got it.

Consider how much older Dubya looks now than in 2000 and he's a goof-off.
mARKo
9:25:14 AM
1/17/07

“Obama has intelligence and articulation if nothing else and he's young enough for the job."

I think he's very smart. It's his lack of experience I have a problem with. i tend to like governors as candidates because I think this gives a person a greater grasp of administrating a whole system. Senators and Congressman IMHO don't have that experience.
Nigal
9:30:37 AM
1/17/07

Few of our recent past presidents have had any real national experience and no foreign policy experience.

They hire professional staff for those things.

Those governors who became president had less exposure to foreign affairs than even a junior Senator though they did have executive experience.

Its early yet, maybe the voices of propaganda will grow hoarse and wear them selves out before next year.
mARKo
9:43:25 AM
1/17/07

We need a president that is an experienced barber and can wield 'Ockhams' Razor' on this hairy mess we call government.
salebored
9:48:14 AM
1/17/07

Those governors who became president had less exposure to foreign affairs than even a junior Senator though they did have executive experience.

This would depend on what comities they can get on. The foreign relations comity is a high value post but there are few of them to spread the experience that far around. Clinton, for his political views, was not hateful on foreign relations. I mean besides having that troll Madeline Halfbright as Sec of State. LOL!
Nigal
9:51:53 AM
1/17/07

The Lefties Dream Team: Hill and Barak

Hill gets the Female vote.
Barak gets the Black.

May be unstopable.
StoveStomper
9:57:39 AM
1/17/07

What's Bill doing with a wedding ring on in that photo?
dayhiker
10:01:00 AM
1/17/07

I live in Illinois, mutt. Geesh.
Jimmy san
10:02:49 AM
1/17/07

Lest we all forget Ted [hick!] Kennedy too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos
Nigal
10:29:12 AM
1/17/07

“What's Bill doing with a wedding ring on in that photo?”
dayhiker
10:01:00 AM
1/17/07

Got to keep the Dem masses thinking they still sleep together.
StoveStomper
10:32:01 AM
1/17/07

Ehud Barak
Good point Jimmy San. Mea Culpa

I was thinking of mentioning the other famous and unpopular person he almost shares a name with (but figured it wasn't as relevant) and that helped lead me astray.
PedXing
10:42:46 AM
1/17/07

Hillary is a loser.
mARKo
11:01:37 AM
1/17/07

BoyGeorgeViolinHiker.....I have SO MUCH time since I work 80 hours a week or more...so when you are sleeping under your Hilton Teheran sheets....I am working a fire scene.
You never mentioned how the conference went...um quick question Vile...did they serve Bagels...or was that too Jewish for you.
XL400236
1:26:48 PM
1/17/07

Obama’s First Blunder

By Dick Morris

January 17, 2006 -- Presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) made his first misstep a few days ago when he joined only a handful of Democrats in opposing a Senate reform banning the increasingly widespread practice of legislators hiring their family members on their campaign or PAC payrolls. Obama has not heard the last of this vote. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who opposes wives cashing in on their husbands’ positions, voted righteously in favor of the reform and will probably use the Illinois senator’s vote against him in the presidential primaries.

When a legislator hires his or her spouse on the campaign or PAC payroll, he is effectively converting contributions to his campaign committee into personal income that flows into the family’s checking account, blurring the line between contribution and bribe.

In the past, senators and House members routinely hired their spouses and other family members on their public payrolls. In the early 1940s, for example, Harry S. Truman hired his wife, Bess, to work on his Senate staff. She got $2,500 a year in salary at a time when senators themselves only earned $8,500. But nepotism on the public payroll is now banned. So inventive congressmen and senators have filled the void by hiring family on their campaign or PAC payrolls.

Hiring family members and paying them with campaign donations is, if anything, more pernicious than doing so with public funds. Where tax money is involved, the sin is against the taxpayer for wasting his funds. But where campaign contributions are involved, the congressman is profiting personally from the largesse of special interest donors. In plain English, that’s a payoff.

There is, of course, a certain hypocrisy in the Senate action since very few senators, in fact, hire their families on their payrolls. It is, though, widely practiced in the House of Representatives, where 30 members have their families on their payrolls. But senators are much less likely to do so. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who voted “present” on the reform, hired her son, Douglas, a lobbyist, to manage her PAC, paying him $130,000 over a four-year period. Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, then a Democrat, hired his son, Matthew, for $34,000 and his daughter, Rebecca, for $36,000 to work on his 2004 presidential campaign.

So the congressional ethics reform of 2007 boils down to this: The House banned the use of corporate jets but the Senate did not, even though senators are more likely to avail themselves of the luxury than is the average House member. The Senate banned hiring family members but the House did not, even though House members are far more likely to hire their significant others to work for them.

Obama’s inexplicable pro-nepotism vote may have been cast in sympathy with Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), whose hiring of his wife, Sandi, to work on his campaign prompted an FEC ruling allowing the practice. Jackson might be afraid that the Senate action will catalyze a similar reform in the House, which could cut way back on his disposable family income.

But whatever the reason for his vote, Obama has screwed up. The public will not take kindly to a senator who pledged to clean up the political process voting to allow wives to be hired with special-interest campaign funds.

The FEC required, in allowing the practice, that the contract for the services of the family member contain the language customarily used between campaign committees and consultants. The FEC also ruled that any payment to a family member in excess of the fair market value of the services would be considered to be a “personal use of campaign funds.”

But, as usual, the FEC has missed the point. Any payment from campaign money to a spouse is, in fact, an appropriation of campaign funds by the member of Congress for his own personal use, however camouflaged or disguised. The Senate was right to ban the practice and the House should follow suit.


http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=612099


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This is the funniest thing I have read in ages.....

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who opposes wives cashing in on their husbands’ positions...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!
StoveStomper
1:27:03 PM
1/17/07

Obama is being groomed by the liberal... everything. They know Billary cannot win a general presidential election, regardless how well she does in the primaries. She's sooo clueless it's funny. And talk about hsyterics! Holey moley - Freud would be first to recommend she get a hysterectomy.

Hussein knows nada. He may be intelligent beyond requirement, but he hasn't been around enough to have gained much savvy.

When I taught high school, an appreciable number of my students surpassed me intellectually, but their lack of overall knowledge made them easy fodder for my classroom management strategy and implementation. They were easily manipulated.

Borak has no message because his party has none. Bashing Bush is all they do - which gets us nowhere. Osamma Bamma Lamma Awop Bam Boom! will continue his fuzzy-speak and smile when appropriate and furrow his brow when appropriate and bite his lip when...

...but he will continue to say nothing of substance.
gojo
1:54:59 PM
1/17/07

StoveStomper
2:07:33 PM
1/17/07

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who opposes wives cashing in on their husbands’ positions,

BAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!
Nigal
3:41:57 PM
1/17/07

Well in her defense they have not really been married... it was more of a business relationship.....

I am not arguing that Hillary is "runnable" but the problem is that she is very astute in politics. She also sees right now the Republicans have the Three Stoogies, Guliani, McCain and Romney who are at best RINOs. So she is hoping that Barak will hold off the Dems running against her. Deflect any comments about her total lack of anything nearing on DOING something and allow her to walkz in as the best of...well the worst. She also figures that running against anyone showing now will be a case of fewer voters showing up (heck the Republican Base stays home...the Republicans lose big time).
XL400236
3:54:01 PM
1/17/07

http://obamarama.org/2007/01/17/dick-morris-wrong-on-obama-pac-payroll-vote.aspx

"According to the legislation itself, the January 10th vote was a Motion to Table an amendment, proposed by Sen. Vitter (R-LA), that would "prohibit authorized committees and leadership PACs from employing the spouse or immediate family members of any candidate or Federal office holder connected to the committee." The roll call on the vote shows that Sen. Obama voted Nay — against tabling the amendment, or essentially in support of debating it. He was in the minority, and the amendment was tabled, meaning it will not be able to be considered for addition to the ethics bill."

Dick Morris might be wrong.
so il hiker
6:19:36 PM
1/17/07

I'm reminded of that scene in "The Right Stuff" where the guy says, "We can't have an astronaut named GUS... What's your middle name?"

"Ivan."
tilttiltblam
7:21:24 PM
1/17/07

Ouch, lol.
StickmanWalking
9:17:14 PM
1/17/07

Now that was funny. Hillary is such a card.
bacpac
5:49:25 AM
1/18/07

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