Taking it to the MAT

“LOL...by now you have heard of the soldier who contacted Bargain suppliers regarding some mats for the soldiers in Iraq to sleep on.

Apparently the reply was somewhat insulting. The "owners" claim the person responsible was fired. But the story is not over...apparently this may be a two camel jockey operation (meaning there were NO employees to fire) here is some interesting information.

http://www.earlyspinblog.com/?p=763

Anyone want to guess whose side the FREE SPEECH crowd is jumping on?”

“"Camel jockey"

Is this one of your "JUSTIFIED" racial or ethnic slurs?
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“Tree...sure as HE!! is. You know these are people who have probably made a fortune off this country. All they had to say was "NO we do not ship to APO."

Imagine for just a second if a say...Muslim emailed a company about purchase of an item and they wanted it shipped to a specific P.O.Box. The company writes back and says something deroggatory...WOW I bet the media would go BANANAS....”

“They gots camels in Tejas? Those look like southern yelluh pine in the background.”

“I was traveling on the Lone Star Hiking Trail, a FS road section and saw these critters in the pines just roaming around.....go figure.....”

“Imagine for just a second if a say...Muslim emailed a company about purchase of an item and they wanted it shipped to a specific P.O.Box. The company writes back and says something deroggatory...WOW I bet the media would go BANANAS.... - XL

Of course! Hypocrisy is a fundamental building block of the loonie left's worldview.”

“No, XL. Just want to know why your obtuse feeeble minded little friends don't jump up your ass for what you say, but I get two weeks of sh_t for an off-the-cuff play on words. Guess they're as full of crap as you are! Don't bother answering. I'm out of here. My point is made...”

“


YES, Camels on the Lone Star Hiking Trail....we have EXCLUSIVE rights to brag on this one..... :)”

“I can't imagine your reaction to stumbling on that. Very weird. You should have posted that on the "Weird things you find on the trai" thread.”

“Okay, Bargain Mats is on my no buy list. End of story. I'm sure that there are other companies that would ship anywhere in the world. Do business with them instead. I don't do business with those that insult their customers for political or other reasons.

By the way, does the military still issue that nasty packing material grade mat. They could at least issue RidgeRest. I'm sure Campmor, REI or other suppliers would be more than happy to supply them at a much cheaper price than HALLIBURTON.”

“You are right Tree...you are "OUT OF HERE" (LOL).

I love the PC crowd..ever notice the real PC Harlots only scream when their piggy is poked? Its called hypocrisy and that is why I don't take any of it seriously.

The PC movement is another neat way to control the thought and actions of others with FEELINGS. See libbies like to go the feeling route the "MOMMY he is looking at me" crap becuase they never really have to show "damages".

In the PC court they can claim you "damaged them" and really all you have to go on is the subjective FEELINGS. This also allows armies of the "emotional" to claim hard or damaging lives without ever having to take a chance....basically the lazy man's way to overcoming challenges. Step 1 create the Challenge or invent the GREAT SURVIVAL from a past life experience. Could be you survived a true crisis, could be a hangnail on your prom night. STEP 2 demand someone else pay to make you feel better...the essential part is SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO ALTER THEIR LIFE TO APPEASE YOU.”

“typical XtrolL moment, presenting a slanted, biased blog as objective fact

that said, it was an unprofessional move on the part of the employee. this is a situation to keep your opinion to yourself

THAT said, however, the response to it has been even more wrongheaded, but leave it to certain people to gloss over that.

from the original news article:

Several posted Khetani's name, telephone number and address, which is also the business address, though Nasir insists it's for mailing purposes only.

Many of the messages invoked anti-Middle Eastern or anti-Muslim sentiment. (Khetani is Muslim, Nasir said.) Others vowed to shut the company down, and a few suggested they might make a personal visit.”

“Good. Actions have consequences.”

“personal intimidation is the price for speaking your mind, and certain people see nothing wrong with that.

i thought we all agreed bullying is wrong?”

“Oh my!!!
XL is being naughty again.
LOL
I read somewhere they took their website down. It would have been interesting to see what kind of 'mats' they sold.
I'm sure a few to the more rabid lefties would buy from them.”

“Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences. Leftists often forget this.

If the "bullying" is against the law, then it's wrong. Simple, isn't it.”

“Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from consequences

i 100% agree. but youre forgetting that consequences should be appropriate, and these consequences go far beyond what is appropriate”

“Come on Tree. XL is allowed to be a racist and his slurs, condemned if they come from you, are given a pass by his buds on here. That's not hypocrisy that's...................Trolling, perhaps?”

“No, not really.”

“xl knows youre right, bearmag. notice how he whines on and on about pc-ism, but never addresses tree's main point, which is the double standard from certain people”

“this is why the world is in the trouble that it is in: caveman mentality

someone pisses you off, so you condone, promote, or perpetuate kicking the crap out of somebody

ugh ugh ooh ooh water good fire bad”

“"kicking the crap out of somebody" is illegal. Can you honestly not understand the difference?”

“I bet 99% of lefties who have crashbang's mindset would fully support the consequences if it'd been an american, white guy insulting muslims. That's the hypocrisy here.”

“yea, whats your point? people are implying that thats what is going to/should happen to this guy. what the hell do you think "make a personal visit" means? theyre not showing up on his doorstep with flowers and candy”

“You know it, Mutt.”

“Oh he11, crash. Ol' tiltypoo and marko have made veiled and not so veiled threats against me several times now lately and you had no problems with those.”

“that is a bunch of goddamn bullsht, mutt. and stove, i cant believe you agree with him. i thought you knew me better than that. no i would not support a bunch of muslims kicking a white guys ass over his remarks. you can do better than that. (sarcasm) you know me so well (end sarcasm font)”

“I would strongly oppose anyone actually acting out violence, or even explicitly planning it. I took "make a personal visit" to mean picketing. An interesting question would be how you view the people making these statements. $1 says you see them as ignorant redneck bubbas with a propensity to violence.”

“that is a bunch of goddamn bullsht, mutt. - crashbang

I wish it were. I know it's not, because this has happened over and over and over again. Honest self-reflection seems to be in short supply these days.”

“What did treebeard say? I keep that excitable boy on ignore.”

“My son just told me that,'400236' is the last 6 digits of Al Gores SS#.”

“Ol' tiltypoo and marko have made veiled and not so veiled threats against me several times now lately and you had no problems with those.”
StoveStomper
10:00:01 AM

i dont fcking know all and see all that goes on on trailtalk. i spend maybe a tenth of the amount of time on fuego that you do. so if they said something untoward, i missed it. besides i know marko well enough not to take anything like that from him seriously.

I took "make a personal visit" to mean picketing

exactly how much trouble did you have typing that with a straight face?”

“wish it were. I know it's not, because this has happened over and over and over again. Honest self-reflection seems to be in short supply these days

when have i ever seriously condoned violence against someone merely because of their opinions? BE SPECIFIC”

“I made a comment about a group of people, not you alone.

PS - nice Sargeism!
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“An interesting question would be how you view the people making these statements. $1 says you see them as ignorant redneck bubbas with a propensity to violence

thats a fair question. i would imagine that the responses ran the gamut from ignorant "die you dirty towelhead", to passionate but well-reasoned, well-thought out replies.

in other words, being pro-war doesnt necessarily mean youre anti muslim, but if you ARE anti-muslim, the pro-war group is who youre going to make your bed with”

“exactly how much trouble did you have typing that with a straight face? - crashbang

Looks like you owe me dollar.”

“picketing? PICKETING?!?!? and then theyre gonna hold hands and sing kumbayah

youre so cute. funny lil muttpuppy”

“you should be considering pro-military rather than pro-war. Big difference.

Also, you should keep in mind "empty sentiment" when it comes to what was said.

Look, there's a metric buttload of people who are very pro-military. It is STUPID in the EXTREME for a business to insult the military, or even delve into politics at all. I know the Left wants the world to be a safe place for the stupid, but it just ain't happening. The consequences of being stupid are very real.”

“What did treebeard say? I keep that excitable boy on ignore.”
StoveStomper
10:03:34 AM

whats the point of having someone on ignore if youre just going to ask us what he said?

peeper”

“you should keep in mind "empty sentiment" when it comes to what was said.


i agree. however, when youre the one on the receiving end of those veiled threats, its harder to realize that. you and i are outside observers


It is STUPID in the EXTREME for a business to insult the military, or even delve into politics at all

if youll read my initial post on this thread, you will see that i AGREE WITH THAT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.

im not supporting what he said. i am just appalled at those who have made veiled threats against this guy.

now, if youll excuse me, im going to go take a shower. hopefully, i wont find XtrolL in there with a sniper rifle waiting for me. he has been conspicuously (oops pardon me for saying "spic") absent since starting this thread
last edited: 1/26/07 9:34:32 AM”

“Maybe he had to work a little? ;-)”

“im not supporting what he said. i am just appalled at those who have made veiled threats against this guy. - crashbang

Notice how crash bang's mind works on this. For the Arabs insulting our military, he simply is "not supporting" them. But for American pro-military people to (rightly) get upset and threaten to take (legitimate, though he'll never admit the possibility) action, he's "appalled".

I'll never understand this. Itreminds me of the Left's reaction to 9/11. The terrorists were merely acting out in understandable frustration over our actions overseas (i.e. it was our fault), but our military response is "appalling".”

“HMMM crash lets look at "equal treatment" In Camel land....a soldier in UNIFORM is grabbed...we get to watch as he is beaten and beheaded (um Crash just so you know that is not allowed by the Geneva Convention) as he screams and gargles on his own blood.

Now we get some of the scum. We take them to a tropical paradise where they GAIN WEIGHT??? and we are accused of misuing them. It is the feel good PCs who make this happen.

Here is a kicker, the last war we really intended to win my uncle fought in. On Guadacanal the third week they had this wounded Jap on thr ground calling for help in ENGLISH. The Corpsman was a 7th Day Adventist so he did not believe in violence but he did believe in helping. He finally was allowed to go treat the jap. As he crawled up to the Jap he told the guy in Japanese he was a doctor...the soldier rolled over and shot him.

From that point on my Uncle's unit NEVER took a prisoner.

The sad fact is that while most libbies want to LOVE their enemy into submission they fail to see the enemy will KILL them. We need to rekindle the nationalisim of the past Successful wars. I can only imagine what would go on with the Islamists if the next time the bomb a unit in Iraq the surrounding town is leveled. Or if we wake up one morning and a terrorist base in Iran or Syria is a large glowing crater.”

“You know the thread subject is a stinker if most all the I HATE AMERICA far lefties stay away from it. LOL”

“Man this thread makes me feel all woozy and a bit nasty...uh oh...oh no...not now...I can't take this any more...












”

“I'm glad I can't see that tripod puking.”

“Threats? no.

Oh, I did say you would never say some of the things you do to anyone's face.

And that's simply a fact.




I dunno 'Dan'... seems like Ronnie Strength took that 'un-PC' situation with the kiddies on MySpace fairly seriously. Or was that just an act for the cameras?”

“ threaten to take (legitimate, though he'll never admit the possibility) action,

and what legitimate action is that? kick his ass? thats legitimate? like i said, thats why this world is in the sad shape its in.”

“two wrongs dont make a right, xl. you cited examples of how our enemies have acted atrociously. good for you. that doesnt justify threatening to kick somebodys ass just because they are opposed to war

in other words, what the FCK does that have to do with what we're talking about here?NOTHING
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