So, We Are Sending 3,000 Back to Afgani Because...

“What a joke.

Nothing like falling for the feint in Iraq, then fumbling in the 'Gani where it really counted.

Why is it that the Taliban is even still around?

Why is it that Osama and his crew are allowed to live?

Why is it that we allow Iran to fight a proxy war successfully against us in every Middle Eastern political area?

Why do people like Frenchy and The Poodle even bother to defend the sad sack of chit that is the current administration?”

“One fact is foremost in my mind --- If Musharraf's regime falls to the Taliban, they'll have the bomb.”

“Over 3/4 of the al Qaeda leadership has been killed or captured.

bin Laden is so deep underground he is probably dead.

The U.S. established democracies in Germany and Japan in 1945, and still has troops over there. Fighting the global war on terrorism over there is neihter quick nor easy. But it is better to fight it over there than inside the United States. Bush's successful policies have prevented any successful foreign terrorism plot from succeeding inside the United States since 9-11, despite a whole lot of trying.

Too bad the liberals just want to cut and run, criticize our troops, and give non-existent rights to captured terrorist. So far the liberals have failed to come up with a plan that could beat Bush's 100% success rate in protecting the United States.”

“Regurgitating inane talking points.”

“Regurgitating inane talking points. - violin

No, actually Tilt does have a point. Lean on Musharraf too hard, and his regime would've collapsed. That should answer one of Laqtis' misinformed talking points.”

““Regurgitating inane talking points.”
VioLiN
6:03:42 AM

look in the mirror violin as I see alot of the same from you. You all sound like broken records. The libbies will have there turn here in '08 and while I hope things get better if they stay the same or get worse I'm sure the righties will be there to point out every detail.”

“Over 3/4 of the al Qaeda leadership has been killed or captured.

What about the new ones that are being bred on a daily basis. Do they count?

bin Laden is so deep underground he is probably dead.

And you're basing this on...

But it is better to fight it over there than inside the United States. Bush's successful policies have prevented any successful foreign terrorism plot from succeeding inside the United States since 9-11, despite a whole lot of trying.

This sound bite has been brought to you by the White House. My name is George W. Bush and I approve of this paid advertisement!

Too bad the liberals just want to cut and run, criticize our troops, and give non-existent rights to captured terrorist. So far the liberals have failed to come up with a plan that could beat Bush's 100% success rate in protecting the United States.”

Yeah, yeah, yeah...more negative generalizations. Geez, get a new act already, people!


I would have thought that someone with this guy's background would be a little less naive....”

“Casn ya tell it's Friday? LOL!”

“*snicker* at all the 'deep thinkers' here.”

“Of course if we had completely leveled Afghanistan (which we could easily do---Iraq too) that would have been a bad thing too.



Critcism after criticism, but never substantive solution. Damned if you do, damned if you don't”

“Prosecutor's facts - facts that fall apart under the briefest of examinations - wonder how this worked in court?
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“Osamas' wishs were granted in his holy land. Boston shows no need for other attacks. The US public is broken in half. Osamas' dreams came true.”

“Y2, if you could have refuted those facts you would have instead of making baseless ad hominem attacks.”

“At least he didn't tell you to go suck treebeard's dick like he does me, pros.
That's his normal level of debate.
LOL”

“If this new congress does'nt prove the ability of 'Yankee Ingenuity' to worsen the situation on every step, what will 2008 bring?”

“LOL...history is so much fun...like that president who unilaterally (literally with NO FREAKING UN SUPPORT) entered Bosnia...for ONE YEAR...that was (anyone want to guess the year).

Face it Liberals want to destroy the man who ended the most corrupt presidential strain in history (the 42) and wanted to pass it on to one of the most incompetent VPs ever...thier hatered will allow them to shun heroes in war, endanger fellow citizens and deny there really is a threat.”

“The U.S. established democracies in Germany and Japan in 1945, and still has troops over there. Fighting the global war on terrorism over there is neihter quick nor easy. But it is better to fight it over there than inside the United States. Bush's successful policies have prevented any successful foreign terrorism plot from succeeding inside the United States since 9-11, despite a whole lot of trying.

So your saying we can look forward to being in Iraq for 70 or more years?

Last I recall there has only been two sucessfull large scale terrorism attacks on US soil. One domestic and 9/11. Kicking the Taliban out was hardly a stroke of genius. Now if creating a large amount of anti-US sentiment was the goal then Id say Iraq has wildly suceeded.”

“Seeing how little respect Ed has for the truth, I wonder how many innocent people went to jail.”

“Why can't we get this war wrapped up? How do we end it? Here's my plan and I challenge anyone to say I'm wrong. It's fool proof too. Here it is...

Stovey stops posting on TT and does his job while he's at work. We would have so many war ships we could just roll the enemies and mop this mess up in no time. LOL!”

“I think we interrupted the Taliban destruction of Buddhist shrines. Obviously, that was a mistake.”

“Nigal is in between jobs.
Ya slacker! Get to the new one! ;-)”

“Sadly when I do start the new job Monday I won't be on TT nearly as much. No more all day post fests for poor Nigal. :(”

“Wow, $100 says Tilt wouldn't have the guts to say that to his face.”

“LOL @ Mutt.
Ol tiltypoo was just saying the same thing the other day.

If you have never had the pleasure of camping with Ed, you have missed out big time.

Ed needs no help in a reasoning vs arrogance fight.”

“Nothing changes around here.”

“ok, Well lets take a look at your points then proesecutor.

1) 3/4 of leadership - make that 3/4 of known leadership. Taliban is also reviving and continuing to harrass nato troops.
2) You have no idea where Bin Laden is, nor does anyne else in America, so it seems. If it is dead it would appear he died peacefully and of natural causes.
3) & 4) I'll say there has been some success in keeping America safe, but this has come about largely as a rresult of improved intelligence, and securing the homeland - in other words closing the gaps that existed in national security.
This whole concept that sending thousands of troops overseas is stopping a team of four or five terrorists from getting into the US is BS and little more than a poor soundbite justification for the failures of Iraq and Afgansistan.

I've always agreed with the work in Afganistan anyway, and I think this should have been the prime objective rather than pumping billions of dollars of resources into Iraq. I think it's now failing because too much attention and resources have been pouring into the Iraqi quagmire.

The reason I make this "ad hominem" attack is I see you do post these lines time and time again, mainly on your pet 'gun' subjects.

I've shifted my views on gun ownership considerably in the past few years. They're in no way similar to yours, which you are very much entitled to hold.

But when I see you post the same comparison time and time against, a comparision easily proved as false, as has been done, I can only conclude that you know your 'facts' are wrong and choose to simply wheel them out again and again.

The one I'm talking about in particular is that violent crime is higher in the UK (and Canada I think) than in the USA (a fact you attribute entirely to gun ownership, but that's another story). The reason why this is false is that the UK and Canada include the crime of assault, which can be as little as pushing someone, up to and including a child's fight at school level, in violent crime statistics.

This is by far the most common type of 'violent crime' and far outnumbers any other type of 'violent crime'.

The FBI stats do not include this lower level of violence in the statistics - skewing the numbers greatly.

You know this, yet you keep repeating the same line - staying on message if you like - that's why I call you on it here.
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“Last I recall there has only been two sucessfull large scale terrorism attacks on US soil. One domestic and 9/11. Kicking the Taliban out was hardly a stroke of genius. Now if creating a large amount of anti-US sentiment was the goal then Id say Iraq has wildly suceeded.”

Blumbertwit


UM...I guess WTC1993 has been Winston Smithed out of the Liberal History book....oh yeah...no action taken no problem ever happened.

FYI

Bob Kirkpatrick, 61, Steven Knapp, 47, and Bill Macko, 57, were mechanical supervisors for the transportation agency. Monica Rodriguez Smith was Macko's secretary. All were killed in the bombing.

The fifth and sixth victims were Wilfred Mercado, 37, who worked for the Windows on the World restaurant atop the North Tower and was checking in food deliveries in the basement, and John DiGiovanni, 45, a dental salesman who was in the parking garage when the bomb exploded.

Another thousand people suffered injuries. It took 11 hours to evacuate some 50,000 people from the complex.



LOL..you know I guess if BILL and HILL were not so worried about getting bill some hot consulting (read this as Lobbying) jobs with Arab nations we might still have the World Trade Center.”

“This whole concept that sending thousands of troops overseas is stopping a team of four or five terrorists from getting into the US - Y2

Who the hell is saying that? Troops overseas are bringing down networks and leveraging government actors - and acting as a magnet for idiot peasant jihadis. This greatly degrades their ability to send highly trained and equipped operatives covertly in the US. Homeland security takes it from there. It's a concerted effort, as if you didn't know. Jeez what a dum-dum.”

“I dont recall stooping to name calling XL.... Are you planning to take up loonie moonie's job now?



I did say "sucessfull large scale terrorism attacks" didnt I? Some suicidal idiot with a stick of dynamite doesnt fit that description. It was a minor incident with no long term impact.

In the end we should have finished up in Afganistan before we started a new war. Its not like Saddam had nuclear ICBM's aimed at us.”

“I think it's now failing because too much attention and resources have been pouring into the Iraqi quagmire. - y2

What makes you think we're failing in Afghanistan?”

“You seem to have this perception that we're fighting a bunch of peasants mutt. This might make up some of the forces, but there are all types from the peasants to sophisticated western-educated people.

Failing - well making steps backwards anyway. Taliban were routed now returning, not successful”

“THIS IS HOW YOU WIN.

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/13207

WARNING Strong language, Towelheads being capped...the US prosecuting the war. May be too much for libbies, and wussy little Museum Director Wannabees. ”

“LOL - how ignorant. The Taliban weren't routed. They withdrew from the cities, so that they could regroup and return, which they are trying to do. This has been fully anticipated. That's why the increase in troops to kill them as they start slithering back over the passes. The Taliban won't be able to keep what they manage to get anyway. Jeez what a dumdum!”

“Who's a museum director wannabe?”

“Mutt - the failure is not getting the people of afganistan to turn back the taliban themselves, while needing to station troops there in nightmare teritory to defend on an indefinite basis.”

“getting the people of afganistan to turn back the taliban themselves

with what? you have GOT to be kidding me.”

“On the face of it seems like either the Afghanis defend their own country... or the Taliban take it back... or NATO stays there forever and a day (i.e. another Korea).

At the moment it looks like we have a combination of all three.”

“People who wont fight for their freedom dont deserve it.....”

“"Bush's successful policies have prevented any successful foreign terrorism plot from succeeding inside the United States since 9-11, despite a whole lot of trying."

prosecutor
3:57:07 AM
2/16/07

Bush's failure allowed 9/11 to happen. Why weren't these so-called successful policies in place to prevent 9/11?”

“People who wont fight for their freedom dont deserve it.....

i think everyone deserves to be free. i saw the video of terror unchecked in the soccer stadium. it chilled my blood. what we are defending in afghanistan isn't simply the freedom of a people, it's the dignity of humanity. you can kid yourself into thinking it's not your fight, but we are human beings just like the afghans and there are certain standards that, when violated, offend us all deeply.”

“...and USA, if you want to take a pop at prosecutor (who does NOT need me to defend him) you should start by responding to his statement rather than just using it as a springboard to launch another of your rants.”

“I have a strong suspicion that eventually there will be about fifteen people left in the world who think Bush was a success, and they can be found posting to a couple of backpacking message boards.

I first became aware of his true abilities around Christmas of 2001. He was at Camp David and told a group of reporters that there was an report from the IAEA stating that Saddam could have a working nuclear device within twelve months. The IAEA released a statement within four hours completely repudiating Bush and his credibility has been on a steady downhill slide ever since.

That boy has the Sadim Touch like no one else. FYI, the Sadim Touch is like the Midas Touch, except everything he touches turns to crap. It is truly The Damnedest thing I've ever seen. Now, we all knew he was a flunky and a flake when he took office, but the country was in the best shape it had been in in decades. The Soviets were toast (at least temporarily). We had a budget surplus to boot.

Even if things took a bad turn there were Grownups there who would keep him from totally mucking things up.

What Could Possibly Go Wrong?”

“Sorry Jimmy but other peoples living conditions are of no real concern to me. I have no intent or illusion of being the worlds policeman. It is difficult enough to insure the safety and welfare of my own family.

You claim a higher moral ground perhaps? War is murder and nothing can change that. Wars are sometimes needed but never are they moral. There just is no way to kill anouther human being with out becoming spiritually tainted. I have yet to hear of a single reason why we needed to invade Iraq.


Just for the record would you go shoot your neighbor in cold blood because you thought he was going to attack you? I doubt there is a court anywhere in the world that would allow pre-emptive murder....perhaps the retired prosecutor might know of one?”

“Yes, I'll easily claim we have higher moral ground than the Taliban. Are you saying that we don't? Like I said, I saw the video of terror unchecked in the soccer stadium in Afghanistan. Our moral standard is clearly superior to what I saw on that video. Also, I don't believe for a second you don't care about the living conditions of other people.”

“No need for causal linking
smart bombs do your thinking”

“WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once-battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border, according to American intelligence and counterterrorism officials.

American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda.

The United States has also identified several new Qaeda compounds in North Waziristan, including one that officials said might be training operatives for strikes against targets beyond Afghanistan.

American analysts said recent intelligence showed that the compounds functioned under a loose command structure and were operated by groups of Arab, Pakistani and Afghan militants allied with Al Qaeda. They receive guidance from their commanders and Mr. Zawahri, the analysts said. Mr. bin Laden, who has long played less of an operational role, appears to have little direct involvement.

Officials said the training camps had yet to reach the size and level of sophistication of the Qaeda camps established in Afghanistan under Taliban rule. But groups of 10 to 20 men are being trained at the camps, the officials said, and the Qaeda infrastructure in the region is gradually becoming more mature.

The new warnings are different from those made in recent months by intelligence officials and terrorism experts, who have spoken about the growing abilities of Taliban forces and Pakistani militants to launch attacks into Afghanistan. American officials say that the new intelligence is focused on Al Qaeda and points to the prospect that the terrorist network is gaining in strength despite more than five years of a sustained American-led campaign to weaken it.
[...]
Some of the interviews with officials were granted after John D. Negroponte, then the director of national intelligence, told Congress last month that “Al Qaeda’s core elements are resilient” and that the organization was “cultivating stronger operational connections and relationships that radiate outward from their leaders’ secure hide-out in Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Europe.”

As recently as 2005, American intelligence assessments described senior leaders of Al Qaeda as cut off from their foot soldiers and able only to provide inspiration for future attacks. But more recent intelligence describes the organization’s hierarchy as intact and strengthening.

“The chain of command has been re-established,” said one American government official, who said that the Qaeda “leadership command and control is robust.”

American officials and analysts said a variety of factors in Pakistan had come together to allow “core Al Qaeda” — a reference to Mr. bin Laden and his immediate circle — to regain some of its strength. The emergence of a relative haven in North Waziristan and the surrounding area has helped senior operatives communicate more effectively with the outside world via courier and the Internet.
[...]
Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University, told the House Armed Services Committee last week that Al Qaeda “is on the march.” He said, “Al Qaeda in fact is now functioning exactly as its founder and leader, Osama bin Laden, envisioned it,” because, he said, Qaeda leaders are planning major attacks and inspiring militants to carry out attacks around the globe.
[...]
Officials said that the United States still had little idea where Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri had been hiding since 2001, but that the two men were not believed to be present in the camps currently operating in North Waziristan. Among the indicators that American officials cited as a sign that Qaeda leaders felt more secure was the release of 21 statements by Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri in 2006, roughly twice the number as in the previous year.

In the past, statements issued by Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri referred to events that were sometimes several weeks old, one official said, suggesting that the men had difficulty creating a secure means of distributing the tapes. Now, the statements are more current, at times referring to events that occurred days earlier.
[...]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/19/world/asia/19intel.html?ei=5090&en=2a7e4609a99a0ae6&ex=1329541200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all”

“It's the democrats' fault.”

“It always is”

“i saw elvis once. he was in line at costco buying liquor after getting his prescriptions filled.”

“So, they're grouping together and building training camps. Great! That makes it easier to destry them. We're gearing up for a Spring offensive and are expecting increased cooperation from Musharraf.

Watch carefully for reports of operations in Pakistan's tribal areas. The only way the liberal media will give it play time like they do this kind of article, is if we accidently blow up civilians or something.”