The Democrat Plan for Iraq

“.....so please, be specific.”

“When the two parties solve their own problems ,then they might realize they're not needed.”

“Don't you know it's the Democratic Party?

Have you not heard of Murtha, Kerry, Feingold, etc.?

Is this specific enough?: http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/RealSecurity_web.pdf”

“I found out where that business started with some people not being able to call the Democratic party by its actual name.

It comes from Joseph Raymond McCarthy (R-WI).


Kudos to you guys on that.”

“What these guys just don't get is that they are supposed to have A PLAN. Your PLAN, dumba$$es, isn't just to bash the competitor,it is to offer SOLUTIONS. If you surf through this document the Vileman posted, you'll see they spend more time throwing rocks at GW & the Repeubs than telling us what THEY'D do.

I'm not defending GW, I'm looking for an alternative, the Dem's aren't offering one.


http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/RealSecurity_web.pdf””

“Does a cure for cancer exist -same old same.”

“I think this is awesome. GOP can now blame any failure in Iraq on the Dems, thereby retaining the whitehouse in 08. Maybe the GOP is much smarter than the Dems?”

“The Democrats lack the courage and commitment to lead this country.”

“how can you guys be talking about this? britney just shaved her head! anna nichole is dead!”

“Courage and commitment. Once again, I am reminded of Geo Bush's running to the National Guard during Vietnam and, then, not honoring that commitment. For those of you not old enough to remember (or with convenient memories), at that time the National Guard was a place where rich people hid their kids. When he did his "Bring it on" macho grandstand, I almost puked. This guy couldn't even stand honorably when it was his turn, but he sure can talk s h i t when he has other peoples kids between him and the enemy. George Bush is a coward and a traitor. McCain, Kerry, or any other battlefield veteran would not likely have gotten into this mess without an honest objective look at things. A coward has no problem sending others to die.”

“You know, the courage to speak up when you think something is wrong rather than wait until you are scolded for standing mute and THEN speaking out to save your own skin.”

“britney shaved her head? what a skank.”

“I don't know if your last post was aimed at me, Jimmy san, but I spoke out from day one, albeit not on here (I stayed away from fuego at that time and probably should resume same).”

“for Jimmy -- Not to play gramarian or anything, but I think that sentence has a structural problem. I can't quite get the gist of it.”

““You know, the courage to speak up when you think something is wrong rather than wait until you are scolded for standing mute and THEN speaking out to save your own skin.”

Jimmy san
4:27:09 PM
2/17/07

you know what your problem is? you probably think thats a complete sentence

repeat after me

SUBJECT

PREDICATE

SUBJECT

PREDICATE

SUBJECT

PREDICATE”

“CRAP. tilt and i are thinking alike”

“Christ, I didn't understand it either, but I tried to twist it into what I thought he meant.”

“That's what you get for thinking, CB.

(ha!)”

“That's what you get for thinking, CB.

(ha!)”

“what? what? LOL”

“i can't help it if you have a 3rd grade reading level... stick to the funny papers you guys.”

“Some of stovies toons is what they need.”

“Sorry, Jimmysan, I thought you had something to say. I'm not closed to learning, but if you only take a shot and run, there's not much opportunity.”

“Can we argue the topic and skip the grammer BS? Or is it your intent to distract us?

Some of you Claim the Dems dont really have a plan. You forget that the current administration got us into this mess and there is not going to be a tidy solution to it. Whoever takes office after the shrub is going to end up paying heavily for his misteaks.”

“It's not BS, Jack. I was just trying to make sense of it. That was the Whole Point.



'third grade level'... ? oooooooooookay.

We'll need to back to about 1964 to get to a third grade level in my case. LBJ was running against Goldwater that Fall.

Anyway --- If that's the way you want to play it, you get an automatic 'F' for the sentence fragment. At least that's the way it worked the last time I had an essay graded.

You might want to dig out your Strunk & White and do a refresher.”

“microsoft word doesn't have a problem with the sentence. if it's good enough for bill gates it's good enough for you.”

“so wheres the verb?”

“Bill Clinton's plan to "get" Bin Laden?

At some point during this period, President Clinton expressed his frustration with the lack of military options to take out Bin Ladin and the al Qaeda leadership,remarking to General Hugh Shelton,“You know,it would scare the #&%!$ [edited by TT] out of al-Qaeda if suddenly a bunch of black ninjas rappelled out of helicopters into the middle of their camp.” - The 9/11 Commission Report

My point? We have been trying to "get" this guy for a long, long time. It just isn't that easy. In the end Bin Laden is only one man and the world is a very large and complex place. He is an outcast with a tight circle of loyal friends. He is used to living a rough life. He doesn't have extravagant needs. He is used to staying put and biding his time. Such a person is very hard to "get".

I will also point out that President Bush was inaugurated on 20-Jan-2001. The September 11th attacks took place in 2001... a little more than 7 months later. According to the 9/11 Commission Report recruitment for the plot started 1998. The pilots for the attacks moved to the US and started flight-school training in early 2000. You do the math and then tell me there isn't shame enough to spread around.
last edited: 2/17/07 11:31:58 PM”

“There is no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. I think that's been admitted by everyone, including the president. I agree with you on pre-9-11, there's plenty of shame to go around. I also agree with Lumberjack in that the Iraq situation is such a balled up mess, there is no easy solution. What has been aptly demonstrated is that Bush and his ilk are NOT the ones to lead us out. For one thing he can't be trusted.”

“Hind sight is always 20/20. Looking back on it all now we should have sent more troops to Afganistan (spelling) and let the World community pass judgement on Iraq. Then we wouldn't be spread so thin that if we wanted to push North Korea around more than we did we could have, as we didn't really do anything but allow them to have a bunch of fuel.

But back at the time when Powell was presenting WMD stuff to the UN I was a believer in taking down Saddam.”

“I was watching Powell at the U.N. (in disbelief) and wondering why he would put his reputation on the line (and he's wondering the same thing, now, I'll bet).

I must say... In my case, it's not 20/20 hindsight --- I was raising hell about it as it happened! [GRIN]

One aspect that really made me suspicious was the push to invade so quickly. At one point the cheerleaders were saying, "We've got to go NOW because it'll be hotter than hell in July!" ... like we were going to be in and out in three months. Insanity.

Now... good grief. George Bush and Iraq are like Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby. All the worst case scenarios the neocons brushed off in 2002 seem to be playing out.

Let's just say I'm not optimistic.”

“I spent quite a while reading the "real security" document linked by Violin. The section on Iraq had some goals listed but no specific suggestions to achieve them.

The Iraq war obviously has not been perfect in its execution, but I am still disappointed that the weasels in Congress seem determined to abandon our mission and our allies there, without ackowledging that their initial support for the war is why we are there in the first place.”

“No connection between 9/11 and Iraq? The very statement underlies a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation in the Middle East since 1990...

In the 1990's Iraq invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia's most valuable oil fields became easy targets for Iraqi forces. Osama Bin Laden offered his mujahideen fighters to Saudi King Fahd to defend Saudi Arabia against the Iraqis. The King refused and instead accepted an offer of assistance from the United States and it's allies.

After speaking publicly about his fury at the Kings actions Bin Laden was exiled from Saudi Arabia. In 1998 Osama Bin Laden issued a Fatwa declaring "Jihad against the U.S. and Israel ... calling on the Islamic nation to carry on jihad aimed at liberating holy sites". This was call for war against the U.S. and Israel for the U.S. occupation of the Arabian Peninsula and the very existence of Israel. This was the beginning of the 9/11 attacks.

Al Qaeda, a terrorist organization, was responsible for the attacks that took place on 9/11. As I mentioned earlier, it wasn't long after the 1998 Fatwa that recruitment for the 9/11 plot began.

So there is your connection...”

“That makes about as much sense as the statement you posted yesterday which you refused to explain.”

“Yep, the Dems didn't want to get burned like they did voting against Gulf War I. Pretty cowardly, I think... like hiding out in the Guard during Vietnam.

That still doesn't put them in Bush's league: starting a war based on flimsy evidence that has resulted in so much unnecessary bloodshed and then screwing it up to boot. I wonder what that flake is going to do for an encore.”

“In the end Bush will be gone soon and it is clear he does not intend to reduce our presence in Iraq. (Considering the oil situation I dont blame him for trying to control the middle-east fields)

Getting out with the least damage is kinda basic in a way. We need to shift our focus from being enforcers to training the Iraqi forces and providing them the needed equipment. We need to set up a public time table for withdrawl and stick to it. Iraq's future must be controlled by Iraqi interest.

BTW - for the record I am not a dem and I was also one of the ones who objected to the Iraq war. Kuwait and Afghanistan were for very clear cut reasons and were morally acceptable as well.”

“sorry it's too complex for you. like i said, stick to the funny papers.”

“The Democrats plan is to propose meaningless resolutions and complain. The same thing they always do.”

“Well they haven't had a plan for dealing with Islamic Fascisim since 1978 what makes you think they would have changed?”

“What is the Republican plan for Iraq? - Seriously.”

“Ha ha!!

I heard most recently that the Dubya Regime's plan is to gain control of Bagdad and the rest of the country will fall into place.

That is according to the military geniuses in charge of the fiasco.”

“Well Viol to start with we were going to hit them 'Shock and Awe" but the libbies were worried about the "negative impact" So we backed off. As a result we are back to playing "Mr. Nice Guy" and pretty much to the same plan Slik had in Bosnia (you remember when we went in for one year). As long as we own the area it is safe.”

“What's all this "we" crap?

That would imply "you" and "me" and neither of us have any more to do with this matter than to talk about it.

Mister Nice Guy??
What, like this war hasn't killed enough civilians yet?”

“Republican Plan: blame the Democrats.”

“No Republican plan then right?”

“Ha Ha, that's cute, pedx.”

“Well the Democrats have changed their plans.

Again.

Obama, Hillary, and Edwards announced they would not remove the troops from Iraq. Watching these air heads is like watching a ping pong game. Back and forth, back and forth.

The party for change. LOL
last edited: 9/28/07 5:19:23 PM”

“Those dems haven't a clue as what to do and neither does anyone else in government. The influences of foreign powers and business interest, along with oncoming near revolt in the military and complete mistrust in any government by the general US citizenry , not to mention the constant look in the rear view mirror as Viet Nam pulls up closer behind, makes for great news but a terrible outlook.”