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“Uh MarkO, you forgot to mention Michael Moore---pepsi mentioned his name too. Did you miss that one? I'll throw in Keith Olbermann while we're at it. There, now you can go a head and rephrase your comment.”

““HA! where'd you get THAT fact from?”pepsisformosa


Those are copy/pastes from their website when Obama was a member there.”

“pledging a commitment to Africa is a lot different than pledging allegiance... but boy, "pledging allegiance to Africa" sounds a lot more inflammatory, doesn't it? My friend was in the peace corps, and pledged a commitment to Africa as well, that dirty racist that he is

So the church is all about celebrating and elevating the black community from poverty. Are you saying that the black community doesn't need to be elevated from poverty? That it shouldn't be celebrated? the church is also about reconciliation - those white-hating racists that they are”

“This 'Potty Comparison Pottie' sure makes you peckerwoods day, hay?”

“pepsiformosa - Once again, you have to put it all into context. Have you listened to Wright's speeches? It doesn't sound like you have. They preached hate and racism from the pulpit. If you disagree with that, we can end this discussion now because that is abundantly obvious. They replaced Wright over it at the church because it was so obvious. Obama loved that man. He was a leader to him. Those are his words, not mine.

btw - commitment in this context means you give your loyalty to. Obama had to pledge his loyalty to Africa. If that's not allegience, whatever, splitting hairs...
last edited: 7/30/09 11:03:14 AM”

“what did Wright say that preached hatred and racism? Exact words please. If it's so obvious, then that shouldn't be a problem.

What, in your opinion, does "pledging loyalty to Africa" mean, and how do you think it will affect the way Obama leads this country?

And, again, tell me how we Americans are victims of tyranny. I'm afraid I just don't see it.”

“Oh geez man - I feel like I'm giving a history lesson to you. Open your eyes.”

“in other words, you're in a corner and can't answer some simple questions about Beck's claims? Fine by me.”

“No, I mean his racist remarks were all over the news and if you were in a cave then, then you have no business even debating this, and I'm not going to waste my time getting you up to speed. You've already proven time and again that you argue things you have no knowledge of. Beck is a Republican hack? ... LOL”

“http://youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA

Notice he calls white men his enemy. If that isn't racist, nothing is.”

“Thanks for looking out for my soul, Nonc.

Sure, Michael Moore is a jerk.

Olbermann is loud, but he is not dishonest.
He has called quite a few of the "lying liars" out on their lies.
If he were lying about them he would be liable for libel and slander.
Have you ever wondered why he has not been sued?
You just don't like what he says.

Pepsis, you would have better luck arguing with a brick than trying to get Sarge to admit that he is wrong.”

“that's right, sorry, he's nonpartisan. So's Michael Moore. My mistake. They all just love America so much and hate tyranny.

you say you're not going to waste your time, but if it was all over the news what a hateful racist he was, there wouldn't be very much time or effort involved at all?

as for the other questions, if you're so sure that we're under the iron grip of tyranny, it should be pretty easy to explain why, shouldn't it? If making a commitment to Africa is such a scary thing, you should be able to explain why in about the same amount of time as it'd take you to tell me you don't want to waste your time on it, right?

I'm all fine with criticism of Obama and have plenty of my own... but you've got no base here. Beck's a fraud.”

“so this is the legendary Sarge I've heard so much about... sorry I wasn't here for your first manifestation, death, and christlike return. Sounds like it was all a real hoot”

“Can someone point me to the last similar "interesting" conversation that pepsi's had with MarkO, T*lt, roseymonster or Y2. Just curious.....it's for my own reference, ya know. K, thanks. Buh-bye.”

“let's go out to the lobby
let's go out to the lobby
let's go out to the lobby
and have ourselves a snack

if you see MarkO, Rosey, or Tilt using Michael Moore claims to support an argument, make sure and let me know and I'll set 'em straight”

“Olbermann is loud, but he is not dishonest.
He has called quite a few of the "lying liars" out on their lies.

Examples? (You know, like the ones you couldn't provide the time I called you on your claim that O'Reilly and Dennis Miller were engaged in some risque racist conversation on the telly.)

You just don't like what he says.

I thought we don't like it when we tell each other what we think?”

“Uh-huh....I'm sure you will, lol.”

“hey, I'm not a huge Obama fan either. In fact, I'd say I'm pretty disappointed by the job he's done so far. when he first got elected, I was caught up in the hype for a little bit, but now it's pretty clear he's more of the same.

but... Glenn Beck... come on. Seriously???

The thing is, when Bush was in power, the loudest voices that his opponents had were Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, and Kanye friggin West, and it was easy to brush them off as being the wackos that they are. Now, it's the other way around, and people like Beck and Coulter are this administration's Michael and Rosie. There are plenty of real reasons to dislike Obama's administration... but empty conceptual phrases like "tyrant"... those are't real reasons”

“Some of you booked your stay here at 'TT' on 'Orbitz' and others didn't. The price has gone down, but don't come after me for a refund check.”

“pepsi - I'll get to the tyranny thing after we finish the racist thing. Did you watch the video? Did you read the tenants of the church? Have you done any research into this at all? Did you hear Obama call the cop "stupid"?, that when the professor was obviously the one being racist and "stupid"? Obama is against the "rich white men". He has listened to anti-white preaching, literally, for over 20 years. His actions back up the fact that he is anti-white. I mean that in the same way that Beck said it. He belonged to a church that believed in black liberation theology, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION. They want payback. He wants payback. IT WAS HIS CHURCH FOR GOD'S SAKE.”

“pepsi, you are full of it.....with all due respect”

“but... Glenn Beck... come on. Seriously???

Once again, have you ever watched a full show of his?”

“Pepsi should kiss Beck's a$$.”

“I thought we don't like it when we tell each other what we think?

You no likey?

if you see MarkO, Rosey, or Tilt using Michael Moore claims to support an argument, make sure and let me know and I'll set 'em straight

I'm sure Nonc will do that, he is like a Mentat and remembers everything.

Examples?

I'll get right on that....
You want citations, etc?
Pffffffffffftttttttt!!!
Howz that?

Dennis Miller used to be funny.
Now he's just another conservative victim of tyranny............or maybe he's just mentally ill.”

“thanks strat, I really miss our little talks too. Keep up the good fight!

HPD, maybe I need to open my eyes a little wider, but I don't see the connection between Obama going to a church that seeks racial equality and Obama hating rich white men. I guess that connection lies somewhere within Beck's sensationalist rhetoric. Obama called a cop stupid for arresting a black man in his own home. Oh no, run, the race war has begun! If anybody came out of this looking racist, it was the media that turned this into an overblown race issue without getting all the facts.

Once again (in case you didn't read it the first time) I have indeed seen several full shows of Beck's, and I've read one of his books and parts of others too. He's a joke - a complete fraud. If you want to compare, read "Stupid White Men" (oh noes! Michael Moore's racist too!) or watch "Farenheit 9/11." You'll come out of the experience thinking, "wow, this guy is completely full of crap." Then, if you're able to step outside the mindset of the church of Beck for a moment, you'll see that the only real difference between Moore and Beck (besides 200 lbs) is that you also dislike the people Beck attacks...

Back to tyranny, though... because after all, that's more or less the root of Beck's tearful claims... please, enlighten me. I'm pretty anti-government too. Go ahead, convince me. Recruit me to the church of Beck.”

“don't worry high plain dick will tell you what to think and do.”

“Yes, he's a tyrant.......dontchya know?”

“Church war, church war, better drop and cover where ever you are.”

“Ah, duck and cover!

Some of my fondest memories from catholic school in D.C.(Ground Zero) were of playing duck and cover with the nuns.
last edited: 7/30/09 12:50:05 PM”

“pepsi - you may not like Beck's methods, or nitpick the words he chooses, but what he's saying is right. I don't care about the methods. The message is too important right now and he's about the only one out there really getting it out. If he has to use the wrong word here and there to do it, so be it.”

“what's the message? what's he right about?”

“oh forget it man. If you don't even know what he's been talking about the last year or two, why are you debating if he's right or not?

Bye.”

“High-larious. Tyrant? Hahaha. What a sheltered life you live. What a bed-wetting little conservative whiner...the party of whiners.

"Our party sucks and lost, so we'll pull out the race card on the first black president in the US and talk about tyranny and how bad the system is."

Jeeze, you guys were completely asleep at the wheel for the last years when tyranny was knocking at the door. Did you finally fill your Prozac prescriptions or something? Hello, McFly!!

I never believed Obama was some sort of godsend and never ever touted him as one. Hell, I voted for Hillary in the primaries. And yes, he's made some bad calls, following in the footsteps of President Dimwit and Vice Pres Darth Vader (exec orders, not releasing the White House visitor log, letting the telecoms do their KGB thing) But tyrant? What sort of fear mongering crap are you buying into? The same sort that made your support Iraq because, jaysus christ, we were at code orange and I'll be dammed if those WMDs are flying through the air as we speak.

Hey Sarge, you do know they took gullible out of the dictionary, right?”

“no one is debating anything,you are just being told you are a tool”

“It was a simple question.

I'd think it would be easy for someone who's a big Beck fan to answer.

Clearly, my assumption was incorrect.

How much money do you suppose Glenn Beck has made from his show and his books in the last year? If he really loved America as much as he claims, if this tyranny is really such a pressing issue, don't you think he'd take every cent of that and put it into his cause? You could buy a lot of tea bags with his income, I'm sure. Hell, if he really wants change, you could buy a lot of rifles with that kind of money too!

But he hasn't put all that money into his proclaimed cause.

Don't you think that, in a way, Obama winning was the best thing that ever happened to him?

The truth of the matter is that the only cause Beck cares about it making money. By posing as a sort of "conservative's che" he's making a killing. Just like Moore got rich on Farenheit 9/11 and Gore got rich on "An Inconvenient Truth" - being a political chicken little pays well.

If there was any depth, anything real and solid to a single argument of his, you would've given yourself carpal tunnel copying and pasting it to show me up... but there isn't. I'm sure you rushed to your scriptures to find something, but all you could find was hollow emotional buzzwords and fire-and-brimstone rhetoric (he and the race warlord Rev. Wright have a little more in common than we thought!)”

“wheee! that was fun! and it got me to lunch (here in the slavery of my office job, they still allow us lunch breaks... such nice tyrants). I'll be back in an hour if you change your mind and want to enlighten me with the wisdom of the one true hope for freedom in America... which I... (sniff)... I just love so much.
last edited: 7/30/09 1:23:49 PM”

“The Right is revolting.”

“your argument of "Bush was bad so who cares what Obama's doing is ludicrous. Grow up and look at what's really happening for Pete's sake.”

“Keep on tea baggin'!!!”

“pepsiformosa - i had the belief you were interested in debate, but clearly you're not. You don't even seem to know the basics of what you're arguing against, but know a lot of other people's motives. I really don't care if you've fallen to the "everybody but me is either right or left" mindset. All I'm going to leave you with is "Ron Paul". Look him up. Study him. If you don't, fine. I don't care. Your loss.”

“I'd love a debate, which is why I keep asking you for some shred of debatable information - whether it's why you think we're all victims of American tyranny or what your consider to be Glenn Beck's primary message. You're the one dodging debate here, not me.”

“Welcome to the world of "debating" with Sarge...”

“I'm the master debater... and after all, don't we all spend way too much time master debating on here anyway?”

“Why the F do people keep calling me Sarge?

pepsiformosa - As I said previously, I wanted to address your first question about racism instead of jumping around from topic to topic. As I also said, you asked me about his current views, but you don't even seem to know what they are! How can that be?

My problem with you is instead of just finishing the discussion about race, you went on to instead make disparaging remarks about me not answering your second question. I have a lot to say about the tyranny (your word) discussion, but you've shown you're more interested in making this a pissing contest, so I've lost interest. As I said, I really don't care what side of the coin you end up on. I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you.”

“good, pissing contests on the computer are a good way to get a real bad electrical burn

call it however you want, but let it be known that you're the second person who has failed to show me a Glenn Beck argument with any substance. So Rev. Wright is probably a racist - once again, when he came out with his wacko comments, Obama essentially disowned him. Do you think Obama was only joking? That maybe he and Wright share midnight calls where they plan their next step in operation Kill Whitey?

You know the best way to shut me up, to immediately and irrefuteably prove that I'm wrong and you're right (no pissing required), is to give me a concrete argument about WHY we're under tyranny (Beck's word, not mine) right now. Since you seem to be a pretty close follower of his shows, writings, etc, that SHOULD be easy for you to do. Without referring to their writing, I could tell you off the cuff the basic philosophy of the thinkers and writers that I follow and believe in. Why is it so hard for you to do the same?”

“Answer me this first. Why do you keep saying it's hard for me to make the point when I haven't even skirted the topic yet for reasons already given (twice)? I'd like to know why you keep saying that if not to be in a pissing contest.”

“The new Beer cabinet wants all americans to get their address tattooed on their left or right arm according to politically party affiliation.”

“Ohhhhh, pepsi was “debating.” Interesting method, lol.

Some thoughts:

- I stand by my original claim about pepsi.
- Yeah, why do people keep calling HPD “Sarge”?
- Hmmm……didn’t pepsi post a comment about ‘the Sarge he’s heard about’? Where is that comment now? I can’t find it. Anyone? A little help here?
- 23rd best thread ever!
- Aw, isn’t that cute? Rosey stood in the woods until the dust cleared then came out for an emotionally charged pile-on.
- Did pepsi post any examples of Beck being a fraud? Or did he read something once and now can’t remember it?
- Why does pepsi always seem to say things like ‘I’m not a fan of Obama BUT (insert anti-conservative rant here)’ or ‘I’m not certain about Global Warming BUT (insert anti-conservative rant here.)’?

HPD, people are calling you “Sarge” because you remind them of a former TTer they did not like. They would “debate” him until, like most liberal progressives, their arguments did not hold water or they simply refused to answer any questions about their beliefs. At that point they would reduce the “debate” to nastiness. When Sarge would respond to their girlie slaps with H-bombs, the majority would whimper from their fetal positions and would get him banned. Good times!”

“Oh, that makes perfect sense! Thanks for the heads up!”