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Does anyone else think that Las Vegas lubricants distributor sounds like a euphemism?
humanpackmule
2:45:08 PM
7/02/07

HMMM.....yeah I really didn't want to go there..but I am thinking thats a job you would lie about to your parents?
XL400236
2:51:28 PM
7/02/07

Great euphemism --- lousy acronym.
Tilt
3:23:42 PM
7/02/07

I believe he is not going to prison? The emperor has no fear. Skeeriest Lame Duck ever?
bearmagnet
4:49:22 PM
7/02/07

Sounds like Harry Reid needs to be in prison.
bacpac
4:51:54 PM
7/02/07

Libbies' heads are exploding all across the USA.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070702-4.html

This will allow the appeal to go on without jail time. At the end of the appeal process, the President could still pardon him and remove the conviction.
last edited: 7/02/07 5:44:58 PM
StoveStomper
5:44:03 PM
7/02/07

“Beauty.”
StoveStomper
5:49:16 PM
7/02/07

What's beautiful, the ongoing corruption of this administration? Sure. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Only you and XL would be so enthralled at a blatant misuse of executive power and thumbing of the nose at the judicial system. for all your croaking about individual rights and the "why won't the big, bad govt. leave me alone" whining, don't you see the complete contradiction in your relvery? You're just to blind to see the total and complete abuse of everything our founding fathers wanted.
roseymonster
6:19:25 PM
7/02/07

Please Don't Do This Libbies!
StoveStomper
6:27:43 PM
7/02/07

All the talk about 'responsibility'.... it was all  b u l l s h i t.  Their credibility and integrity have hit bottom.  George Bush is a crack whore.  And his fans are no better.
Tilt
6:32:38 PM
7/02/07

“Beauty.”
Tilt
12:16:08 AM
7/02/07

“What's beautiful, the ongoing corruption of this administration? Sure. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Only you and XL would be so enthralled at a blatant misuse of executive power and thumbing of the nose at the judicial system. for all your croaking about individual rights and the "why won't the big, bad govt. leave me alone" whining, don't you see the complete contradiction in your relvery? You're just to blind to see the total and complete abuse of everything our founding fathers wanted.”
roseymonster
6:19:25 PM
7/02/07


Now, you really should not talk about ol' tiltypoo that way, rosey. His feelings might get hurt.
last edited: 7/02/07 6:36:20 PM
StoveStomper
6:35:39 PM
7/02/07

I saw Tilt's head explode.

It was empty.
bacpac
6:39:36 PM
7/02/07

"The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting," Bush said.

What a joke.  Those suckers take care of their own.  Libby's spawn won't have to do an honest day's work for the next three generations.
Tilt
6:40:27 PM
7/02/07

Please don't be bitter.
StoveStomper
6:41:32 PM
7/02/07

Another 3 million teenagers will never have any respect for the law, same as the Ford folly. Looter Scibby will definitely be the poster child of american integrity.But , it's okay the french will still love us.
last edited: 7/02/07 6:55:22 PM
salebored
6:53:42 PM
7/02/07

I didn't vote for a Rebuplican for twenty solid years after Ford pardoned Nixon.  The people who are skipping up and down right now should consider what the fallout will be.  It will only hurt your precious party.

That creature makes us all look bad.
Tilt
7:05:29 PM
7/02/07

"An other 3 million teenagers will never have any respect for the law, same as the Ford folly."


Yeee-uuuuup
mARKo
7:05:37 PM
7/02/07

Ol' Billy Boy never did any pardons?
You poor guys do not understand the difference between a Grant of Executive Clemency like Libby got and a pardon?

Like Dems have any respect for any laws, Party of Felons.
LOLOLOLOL
StoveStomper
7:12:51 PM
7/02/07

Campean and Ramos, no need talking about them, Ah?
salebored
7:16:37 PM
7/02/07

I don't really care if scooter served time or not - I'm not sure if he deserved that sentence as he was obviously taking the fall for his former boss.

I honestly think Cheney doesn't care any more. He's had those heart conditions and he thinks he's on borrowed time anyway, so he figures all his actions and abuses won't be punished anyway.

Bush was elected on a promise to restore the integrity of the office of President - glad you boys think this helps that.

This Presidency has completely fallen apart, this really will just be a footnote to a long list of #&%!$ups.
Y2
7:23:13 PM
7/02/07

Bush To Libbies
Bush To Libbies

PPPPPPPBBBBBBBHHHHHHHTTTTTTTT....
StoveStomper
7:38:19 PM
7/02/07

The Scrub just had to give 'AMNESTY' to someone.
salebored
7:39:51 PM
7/02/07

Libbie Reaction





...And I asked them "please don't do this", nicely even.
StoveStomper
7:41:47 PM
7/02/07

How's about we not dance at the cost of injustice? He went through the process and was tried and convicted. This is right up there with the Clinton clemencies.
Nigal
7:56:59 PM
7/02/07

So much for being "tough on crime" party.

#&%!$ing pathetic.
violin
8:03:05 PM
7/02/07

If Clinton, or any other presidents gave out clemencies with 17 months to go then I'll side with Nigal.

Otherwise, Bush skeers me.
bearmagnet
8:05:59 PM
7/02/07

So much for being "tough on crime" party.

Oh please, both parties are as dirty as your underwear. LOL!
Nigal
8:09:02 PM
7/02/07

I'm just shocked, SHOCKED I SAY, that violin makes a post without his usual Dem talking points! ;-)
StoveStomper
8:12:46 PM
7/02/07

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

Nothing to see here, move along....
LOL
Ol' Billy Boy liked those nose candy distributers, didn't he?
StoveStomper
8:32:05 PM
7/02/07

I'm a little unnerved that Nigal has been digging through my laundry.



Fitzgerald Statement on Libby

We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as “excessive.” The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.

Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.
violin
9:19:12 PM
7/02/07

We've been fairly lucky that corrupt dems in congress can't get votes to make more of of mess out of this country , but the reps ,you fools are cheering on, have done enough damage for the rest of this 7 year old century.
uncliff
9:58:26 PM
7/02/07

apparantly, lying is a conservative value.
Buddha Bear
10:29:20 AM
7/03/07

Lying lives in both ugly ends of this political spectrum. You wingers and your comparative; Well, Bill did this so...,Dumbyah did that..NanerNaner...can't you see they've got you doing all the work to numb the public so we start thinking being 'fvked up' all the time is our GOD given natural state.
uncliff
10:52:15 AM
7/03/07

I'm thinking DENIAL is the new conservative value. DENIAL that a moron was elected to the most powerful office in our country. DENIAL that the entire world was lied to, including all the dopes that pointed and said "Yeah! Go get Saddam! He's the one!" DENIAL that there has not been ONE POSITIVE to come from this administration (well, I guess funding for the African AIDS crisis is one but that woulda happened regardless of who was in charge).

Keep on denying you 28%ers. The pillars of this country are crumbling before your very eyes.
roseymonster
10:54:24 AM
7/03/07

Domestic political scandals sure are boring.
Mutt
10:56:32 AM
7/03/07


Be Nice To A Libbie Today
StoveStomper
10:58:03 AM
7/03/07

As my late great father told me. "Don't ever trust a man that reads the bible and don't ever trust a man that doesn't own one".
uncliff
11:00:18 AM
7/03/07

And don't chew with your mouth open.
MarkO
11:08:59 AM
7/03/07

July 03, 2007
Scooter Skates

Bush Grants Libby Clemency


President Bush wiped away former White House aide Scooter Libby's jail sentence in the CIA leak case, saying the sentence was excessive. Key Democrats were furious at the decision, with Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) saying, "I can't believe Libby isn't getting the chair, let alone hard time - he told a lie for God's sake." Harry Reid (D-Nev) said, "Bush is setting a dangerous precedent for springing dangerous criminals." When reminded that Bill Clinton pardoned 140 individuals including some charged with terrorism, sex crimes, money laundering, embezzlement, and theft, plus commuted 36 jail sentences, Reid replied, "That's different, those people didn't lie." Touche, Senator.

As you obviously know by his name, Scooter Libby is a relative of mine. While I love him personally, professionally I believe he should have received at least a couple of semi-lethal injections, and maybe a little torture with a power drill. I know one thing, if he lived in my neighborhood, I'd put security doors and window bars on my house, because it's probably just a matter of time before he lies again.



http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/scooters_report/
StoveStomper
2:51:04 PM
7/03/07

Commutation of sentence seems unlikely to have consequences for Bush

By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
Updated: 12:34 p.m. CT July 3, 2007

WASHINGTON - The spectacular pardon or reprieve has become a reliable end-of-presidency event. As he was about to leave office in 1992, George H.W. Bush pardoned former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and other officials convicted in the Iran-contra affair.

Six years ago, during his final hours in the White House, Bill Clinton pardoned fugitive financier Marc Rich, whose ex-wife Denise had given generously to Clinton’s campaigns and to his presidential library.

The most famous case, President Ford’s pardon of former President Nixon, was a presidency-ending event in another sense — it led directly to Ford’s defeat in the 1976 election.

President Bush’s commutation of the 30-month prison sentence of former vice presidential aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby fit the pattern set by his predecessors.

And the reaction to these acts of clemency had a familiar ring.

Compare “the arrogance of this administration's disdain for the law and its belief it operates with impunity are breathtaking” to the statement that the president “will never live down the arrogance of his final departure.”


'Arrogance' then and now
The first “arrogance” quote came Monday from Democratic presidential contender Bill Richardson. The second quote came from Jim Webb, now the Democratic senator from Virginia, criticizing Clinton’s pardon of Rich in an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal in 2001.

On Monday, Democratic presidential contender Sen. Joe Biden called on “all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.”

Flooding the switchboards with outrage did seem to work last week in persuading senators to kill the immigration bill that Bush supported.

But in the Libby case, the deed, now done, can not be undone. The Constitution allows Congress no remedy, no repeal of a presidential pardon or commutation.


After Ford pardoned Nixon, then-Sen. Walter Mondale, D-Minn., proposed an amendment to the Constitution that would have allowed a pardon to be over-ridden by a two-thirds vote of the House and Senate.

Some in Congress revived that idea in 2001 after Clinton’s pardon of Rich and others. But in a week or two the fury subsided and the idea was forgotten.


Not a pardon
For those members of Congress who voiced shock or disappointment Monday, it was no solace that Bush only commuted Libby’s sentence.

Bush did not pardon Libby, thus making him innocent in the eyes of the law. Instead he acknowledged his offense and erased his prison sentence as excessive.

Impeachment remains a possibility, but impeachment of whom?

The impeachment movement is a house divided against itself, with some, such as Democratic presidential contender Rep. Dennis Kucinich pushing for impeachment of Vice President Cheney, while others such as Tom Hughes, head of Democracy for America, the group founded by Howard Dean, calling for impeachment of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s “majority makers” — the two dozen freshman Democrats from Republican-leaning districts — have shown no interest in the impeachment of Cheney or anyone else.


Three freshman Democrats have signed on to Kucinich’s impeachment resolution, but they come from the Democratic bastions of Minneapolis, Minn., Brooklyn, N.Y., and DeKalb County, Ga.


Cheney under greater scrutiny?
Left-of-center blogger Jane Hamsher called the commutation "nothing less than obstruction of justice and the latest chapter in the criminal conspiracy that has sought to cover up the administration's tracks."

She said "the impeach Cheney impetus may be energized in the long run. During the Libby trial, (special prosecutor) Patrick Fitzgerald said there was a cloud over the Vice President that would not go away because Scooter Libby was obstructing the investigation."

She added, "Since George Bush has now ensured that Scooter Libby will not need to be forthright with the Special Counsel to avoid jail time, congressional investigation is the only recourse available to hold Dick Cheney accountable. I think that is something that the public wants and a responsibility that members of Congress should take very seriously."

Most of the reaction from Democratic congressional leaders was milder than Hamsher's, with House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer simply calling Bush's action "very disappointing."


Democratic presidential contender John Edwards concluded in his statement Monday Bush was “clinically incapable of understanding that mistakes have consequences.”

Whether or not the act of clemency was a mistake, it seems unlikely to have consequences for Bush himself.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19571706/
StoveStomper
4:44:29 PM
7/03/07

Geobeet
8:17:38 AM
7/06/07

StoveStomper
8:46:04 AM
7/06/07

MarkO
8:58:09 AM
7/06/07

LOL...so admitting you LIED to a grand jury is not admitting you committed perjury ...right? I mean a Chief Executive admitted that.
XL400236
9:01:59 AM
7/06/07

Here In The Real World..........
MarkO
9:18:08 AM
7/06/07

So if Libby wins his appeal what will the reaction be?
bacpac
10:06:18 AM
7/06/07

So if Libby wins his appeal what will the reaction be?”
bacpac
10:06:18 AM


I'm sure all the libbies will realize they were wrong the whole time and beg for forgiveness.
LOL
StoveStomper
10:13:32 AM
7/06/07

I think anyone with a brain knew he was gonna get off the whole time. I mean, why would the b.s. stop now? Keep driving the empire into the ground!!!
roseymonster
10:52:53 AM
7/06/07

I can't remember, were Marky and geo this upset when the previous president (I forget his name) passed out all those pardons as he was walking out the door?
NoProb
9:40:41 PM
7/06/07

I was pretty pissed about many of Clinton's pardons, but they're hardly the same thing. He wasn't involved in any of the crimes he pardoned. Enough of the retarded moral relativism.
violin
11:03:09 PM
7/06/07

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