Alberto: hero of the right?

“You're talking about Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, some twit legislator in New Hampshire, and anything else under the sun, but I notice none of the righties on this board is discussing Alberto Gonzalez today. Aren't you guys proud of him? Ain't he a good li'l Bumbleya hack? Hasn't he done what he was appointed to do?”

“I'm waiting for you to tell us how you feel about it.”

“Why are you waiting for me. He's your guy. Aren't you proud of him. Tell us all about him.”

“And he's different from Janet Reno how Geo?”

“janet renos a lot cuter”

“Well, now we have proof, hikerboy is completely insane.”

““And he's different from Janet Reno how Geo?”
Bison

He's the attorney general and Janet Reno is a private citizen, last I checked.”

“If I'm not mistaken Janet Reno fired ALL US Attorneys.”

“Man, I gave you guys an opportunity to state the case for Alberto Gonzalez and all you can come up with is to rip somebody who's been out of office for what, six years?

Vote for Alberto because he's just like Janet Reno?

Or are you endorsing Janet Reno?

What?”

“OK, fool, how's this. The US Attorney serves at the pleasure of the President. The President can fire them at any time for any reason. He did. What's the problem.”

“Pretty straightforward answer”

“What part of the question is giving you gas? Aren't you proud of Alberto Gonzalez? Nothing about Janet Reno, nothing about the Constitution, which I happen to understand perfectly.

You see, the point of this exercise is that whenever a question is posed, you guys on the right come up with something about the Dems or Libs. You all proved my point. Thanks.”

“He admitted mistakes were made. Don't know if these mistakes took place on his watch or not, but he appears to be taking full responsibilty.”

“What a waste of space. You all owe Mat approximately 374,629,347,467 1's and 0's.”

“I guess the problem is I don't see a problem. Am I proud of him? For what, he's doing his job. That's what I would expect him to do. My point in mentioning Ms. Reno (I wasn't the first by the way) was to point out that there is presidence. And Reno/Clinton were not the first to fire people. Presidents can and do fire the people who work for them. Bush/Gonzalez won't be the last. I don't see any reason for your interest.”

“That was my point exactly.”

“The President can fire US Attorneys for not indicting enough Democrats on bogus charges or too actively pursuing Republicans? Our justice system should really be an arm of the party in power?

Is that really the case?

You guys are fascists to the core.
last edited: 3/13/07 5:52:42 PM”

“Yep, just goes to show that we're as fascist as Bill Clinton and Janet Reno amongst others who have held those positions.”

“Bison and NoProb totally miss the key point as to what is unprecedented. No one has ever fired anywhere near this many attorneys mid-term. In the past, the incoming president has hired people he trusts and lets them do their job. They only get fired over something extreme.”

“Mid term, big deal.

What a bunch of hypocrites. Clinton and Reno fired ALL the US Attorneys when they took over.
Bush is just doing what he should have done years ago.
It's legal and correct. US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President.”

“You all proved my point. Thanks.”
Geobeet
4:35:13 PM
3/13/07

Somebody has to. You seem incapable in that respect.


I think NoProb gave you a pretty straightforward answer. I guess that's why you're confused, it's unfamiliar territory for you. You ask a loaded question, then start tearing up when no one plays by your rules.

Fortunately Violin can come along to support you with his ad hominem and futile attempts at blowing up a non-issue.
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“I like how Geobeet is now marching in lockstep with Hillary's orders. Good little Hillary boy!

Hillary is now calling for Gonzalez to resign.
Gonzalez in essence told her "up yours", LOL.

Next thing you know, Geo will be in tears over the vast right wing conspiracy that keeps upsetting his Mistress.
last edited: 3/13/07 9:50:01 PM”

“The point isn't that they were fired. It's why they were fired.

It would have been different if Bush had fired all US Attorneys at the beginning of his second term. He didn't. They were fired for not going after Democrats hard enough or being too hard on corrupt Republicans. There is a ton of evidence for that.

Carol Lam is a clear example. She was forced out after indicting Duke Cunningham, Brent Wilkes and the number three guy at the CIA, Dusty Foggo. Her presence was crucial to the success of several ongoing investigations according to Dan Dzwilewski, head of the San Diego FBI office.

On the flip side is John McKay who refused to drag innocent people in front of a grand jury.




This all has to make you wonder about the attorneys that weren't fired. It is reasonable to assume that they were sufficiently politicizing their offices. Remember all those leaked reports of investigations or actual subpoenas of Democrats in key races going into the midterm elections?


Gonzales' top aide, Kyle Sampson, the one who prepared the list of attorneys to be fired, has resigned. Gonzales lied under oath to Congress. He should resign as well.



You guys have your faces buried so deeply in Bush's lap that you can't see what's going on. Come up for air for a minute and have a look around.
last edited: 3/14/07 5:41:38 AM”

“Geobeet reads a political blog and ends up with egg on his face.”

“If that is what happened Violin then he should be investigated and brought to justice. But then again, I don't really trust you to construct a truthful example of the situation. History has shown me that much. LOL!”

“Don't trust me Nigal. Please. Read up on it. Turn on C-Span.”

“In an e-mail dated May 11, 2006, Sampson urged the White House counsel's office to call him regarding "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam," who then the U.S. attorney for southern California. Earlier that morning, the Los Angeles Times reported that Lam's corruption investigation of former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., had expanded to include another California Republican, Rep Jerry Lewis.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16897082.htm”

“They're going to far now! They're going after Jerry Lewis! They better just leave him alone! He's got a phucking telethon coming up!”

““Don't trust me Nigal. Please. Read up on it. Turn on C-Span.”

Fair enough. But then again, with my time so limited now I'll have to assume they can determine guilt or innocence without me obsessing over it and trying to watch their every move like some trailer court housewife following the death of Anna Nichole.”

“Geobeet and Vile both suffer from a bad case of BDS.”

“So Cleenton firing all (that would be 100%) of the US attorneys and turning them from investigating Loral Aerospace and China/North Korea connections in the 1990's is a moot point.

Difference here...these guys were not pursuing what the Executive Branch wanted, with CLEETON the eventual result was the Chinese and North Koreans can now hit the Left Coast (actually the Chinese can hit anywhere in the US)..GOOD JOB LIBBIES!”

“Dang Geo, you really got the rats scurrying.

This current White House Crook is smelling a lot like Nixon......using the F.B.I. and Justice Department to try and turn elections.

XL, you perform right up to Geo's expectations by yammering about Cleenton and Reno and having nothing to say about the current issue.

Deflect, deflect, deflect..................”

“This is just another overblown Democrat hissy fit over nothing.”

“Libbies..>gotta love em.

Its like the defenders of the Islamic Fascists. The Fascists grab a hostage and brutally murder them....but our people play a couple of College Frat pranks...and WE ARE JUST AS BAD.....

Its situational Rationalization with the libbies.”

“deflection

....like fish to bait”

“ITS a Hubble thing...(LOL) lets look at this from a Political Perspective. Luckily Shrillery is a Senator and so she knows how sacking of D.A.s goes...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784


....As everyone once knew but has tried to forget, Mr. Hubbell was a former partner of Mrs. Clinton at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock who later went to jail for mail fraud and tax evasion. He was also Bill and Hillary Clinton's choice as Associate Attorney General in the Justice Department when Janet Reno, his nominal superior, simultaneously fired all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993. Ms. Reno--or Mr. Hubbell--gave them 10 days to move out of their offices.


At the time, Jay Stephens, then U.S. Attorney in Chicago, was investigating then Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski, and was "within 30 days" of making a decision on an indictment. Mr. Rostenkowski, who was shepherding the Clinton's economic program through Congress, eventually went to jail on mail fraud charges and was later pardoned by Mr. Clinton.

Also at the time, allegations concerning some of the Clintons' Whitewater dealings were coming to a head. By dismissing all 93 U.S. Attorneys at once, the Clintons conveniently cleared the decks to appoint "Friend of Bill" Paula Casey as the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock. Ms. Casey never did bring any big Whitewater indictments, and she rejected information from another FOB, David Hale, on the business practices of the Arkansas elite including Mr. Clinton. When it comes to "politicizing" Justice, in short, the Bush White House is full of amateurs compared to the Clintons.

And then the explanation (kinda tough when the libbie media leaves this part out)

The supposed scandal this week is that Mr. Bush had been informed last fall that some U.S. Attorneys had been less than vigorous in pursuing voter-fraud cases and that the President had made the point to Attorney General Albert Gonzales.

Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor's race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129-votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the "voters" were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were "discovered" in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do. ”

“like a Boston Terrier jumpin' for a doggie treat”

“Let's see what we have here:

The reason we should vote for Republicans is they will appoint an attorney general who will do what the Democrats did. Wow! That's a platform!

Asked to support their man in the Justice Department, that's all you right wing wannabes can come up with, other than railing out at me for asking you twits to tell us what's so great about your guy.

Crap! Even a school kid could come up with better than that.

You've passed up a chance to sell your philosophy in favor of railing out at me, Janet Reno, Hillary, et al.

And for the benefit of that blubbering idiot Stove Stomper, I voted against Clinton when he ran for a second term, and I voted for Bumbleya when he ran for his first term. You have no idea who I will vote for in the next election, nor who I've voted for in past elections despite the fact that I've made no secret of it. That means any opinion you may post about me is meaningless.

Have fun wannabes. You haven't got a clue what you even support if you can't tell folks what is it that's great about them. I suspect you have no idea. Violin could probably list Gonzalez' positive side better than you.

Clueless!”

“It's all about NOT being wrong.”

“That's the ticket, Steve.”

“YOu don't know who you will vote for in 2008? WOW...well right now neither do I. There is nobody even close to what I want to see in there.

Don't feel overloaded Geo. Its a slow news month right now. Congress has fizzled and is now getting to the point where the Dems are having to deal with their Wackjobs like the Republicans had to deal with theirs.

The only thing the media can hype is the hope of a "revisit WATERGATE". Its sad in our town we are getting garbage about stuff that won't happen for years.

Then when something is really neat, the media is too busy making news to report what is really happening....”

“LMAO @ Geobeet

His little thread makes him look like a Hillary Boy and he throws a hissy fit because we all don't dance the way he wants.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!”

“Left or right, they are all jerks. Get real and start thinking in those terms rather than continue your comparison of equally crocked sides of the same party.”

“Sale I have to agree...the truth is no matter WHO is in power someone will be pissed at what they do. The objective should be to elect people who want to reduce the effect the government can have on our lives.

Right now it seems the battle is people who want more and more control of their lives by the government so they can release their responsibility and the other side wants more and more control so they can CONTROL what we are Responsible for.”

“I think it's cute the way Geobeet has become a violin sycophant over the years.
True brothers in ideology.
LOL”

“You two make lovely dance partners!

Oh yeah...........LOLOLOLOL”

“The Hubbell Standard
Hillary Clinton knows all about sacking U.S. Attorneys.

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

Congressional Democrats are in full cry over the news this week that the Administration's decision to fire eight U.S. Attorneys originated from--gasp--the White House. Senator Hillary Clinton joined the fun yesterday, blaming President Bush for "the politicization of our prosecutorial system." Oh, my.

As it happens, Mrs. Clinton is just the Senator to walk point on this issue of dismissing U.S. attorneys because she has direct personal experience. In any Congressional probe of the matter, we'd suggest she call herself as the first witness--and bring along Webster Hubbell as her chief counsel.

As everyone once knew but has tried to forget, Mr. Hubbell was a former partner of Mrs. Clinton at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock who later went to jail for mail fraud and tax evasion. He was also Bill and Hillary Clinton's choice as Associate Attorney General in the Justice Department when Janet Reno, his nominal superior, simultaneously fired all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993. Ms. Reno--or Mr. Hubbell--gave them 10 days to move out of their offices.

At the time, President Clinton presented the move as something perfectly ordinary: "All those people are routinely replaced," he told reporters, "and I have not done anything differently." In fact, the dismissals were unprecedented: Previous Presidents, including Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, had both retained holdovers from the previous Administration and only replaced them gradually as their tenures expired. This allowed continuity of leadership within the U.S. Attorney offices during the transition.

Equally extraordinary were the politics at play in the firings. At the time, Jay Stephens, then U.S. Attorney in Chicago, was investigating then Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski, and was "within 30 days" of making a decision on an indictment. Mr. Rostenkowski, who was shepherding the Clinton's economic program through Congress, eventually went to jail on mail fraud charges and was later pardoned by Mr. Clinton.

Also at the time, allegations concerning some of the Clintons' Whitewater dealings were coming to a head. By dismissing all 93 U.S. Attorneys at once, the Clintons conveniently cleared the decks to appoint "Friend of Bill" Paula Casey as the U.S. Attorney for Little Rock. Ms. Casey never did bring any big Whitewater indictments, and she rejected information from another FOB, David Hale, on the business practices of the Arkansas elite including Mr. Clinton. When it comes to "politicizing" Justice, in short, the Bush White House is full of amateurs compared to the Clintons.

And it may be this very amateurism that explains how the current Administration has managed to turn this routine issue of replacing Presidential appointees into a political fiasco. There was nothing wrong with replacing the eight Attorneys, all of whom serve at the President's pleasure. Prosecutors deserve supervision like any other executive branch appointees.
The supposed scandal this week is that Mr. Bush had been informed last fall that some U.S. Attorneys had been less than vigorous in pursuing voter-fraud cases and that the President had made the point to Attorney General Albert Gonzales. Voter fraud strikes at the heart of democratic institutions, and it was entirely appropriate for Mr. Bush--or any President--to insist that his appointees act energetically against it.

Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor's race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129-votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the "voters" were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were "discovered" in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.

In New Mexico, another state in which recent elections have been decided by razor thin margins, U.S. Attorney David Iglesias did establish a voter fraud task force in 2004. But it lasted all of 10 weeks before closing its doors, despite evidence of irregularities by the likes of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn. As our John Fund reported at the time, Acorn's director Matt Henderson refused to answer questions in court about whether his group had illegally made copies of voter registration cards in the run-up to the 2004 election.

As for some of the other fired Attorneys, at least one of their dismissals seemed to owe to differences with the Administration about the death penalty, another to questions about the Attorney's managerial skills. Not surprisingly, the dismissed Attorneys are insisting their dismissals were unfair, and perhaps in some cases they were. It would not be the first time in history that a dismissed employee did not take kindly to his firing, nor would it be the first in which an employer sacked the wrong person.
No question, the Justice Department and White House have botched the handling of this issue from start to finish. But what we don't have here is any serious evidence that the Administration has acted improperly or to protect some of its friends. If Democrats want to understand what a real abuse of power looks like, they can always ask the junior Senator from New York.

Wall Street Journal

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784”

“They just want to get rid of what is there, not knowing they will replace it with something ever worse.”

“Dance SS, Dance!”