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“If systems were designed to be truly intuitive, just think of how many people would be out of a job....
“There's no such thing as a software application that is "universally intuitive" to all users. That's because we're human beings, and unfortunately, all humans don't process information the same way. There have actually been a number of very extensive studies done on this, because if you could identify & define a process that was equally "easy" to use for everyone, then you could dominate a market! There wouldn't be any "Mac vs. Wintel" discussions, there would be a clear "winner" in the marketplace if everyone thought and worked the same way.”
last edited: 4/12/07 11:50:34 PM”
“well.... I knew you were sort of joking. . . . by the way, this has got to be one of the hottest threads in a while, no?
Tango - Apples do go sour. But there's only so many of 'em in the barrel.”
“I was just thinking that those next few posts should really be emphasized ---
“If Gates et al actively tried to make their interfaces more uninteligible I don't see how they could do any worse. I can only imagine what the spaghetti looks like inside.
Sometimes the better product doesn't 'win' in the market because of factors unrelated to quality.”
“give me a chance before condemning me for a dumbass
Don't worry, we'd labeled you a dumb ass way before this incident! 8)
Since Stovie isn't here to kick you in the nuts I thought I'd step in for him.”
“jesus christ. god forbid anyone should ever not like something and say so”
“Sometimes the better product doesn't 'win' in the market because of factors unrelated to quality.”
Very often the "best" product doesn't win. Remember the old "beta" vs. VHS argument?
In the "earlier" days of PC's I used to get into quite a few debates with Mac fans who would pi$$ & moan about how Mac was so far superior to Wintel, yadda yadda. My response was simple... it's totally irrelevant & not even worth discussing if Mac is better, they lost, the industry standard in Wintel, period, end of debate.
It's called dealing with reality.”
“the masses are asses”
“Precision, to the degree of pc's? Meaning about the same ratio as pc's do?”
“"How come you don't hear all this worm and bug and bad news about Apple computers??”
There aren't that many users, Apple is a small-time bit-player compared to Wintel, not even in the same league. Plus, hackers don't want to waste their time trying to hack a system that 99% of businesses don't use!”
“That's why lots of people were stuck with inferior products... PC-DOS, MS-DOS, Windows, ... Just imagine if IBM had made the deal with someone else.
Microsoft's practices are deplorable. Remember Netscape. Flooding a market with cheap crappy product to expressly run other companies out of business is criminal and should be prosecuted.
Some say "That's Business!" and go on their merry way, enjoying their cheap goods (and making excuses for lack of quality).... until it happens to them. Then they scream bloody murder and nobody cares.”
“Tango - Mac's only got about a 5% market share.
As for the superior product argument what I think you have to realize is that technology may be hard to understand, yet politics is vastly more complicated than technology - and harder to understand (Altert Einstein said something like this once this too). Bill Gates may understand technology, yet what I think he really understands is politics, or the politics of business.”
“Microsoft's practices are deplorable.
BullSht. They're arguably the most successful company in history. Gazillions of people and businesses depend on their products every second of every day.
Are they perfect? Of course not, but if they're so frikkin bad how come no other company has even been able to come close to competing with them?
And don't give me all the "illegal / immoral business practices" crap as a lame excuse either, can we even count how many people have tried to prove that over lawsuits and have lost?”
“Jeez, I kind of like Vista. I've been running the beta versions since September. Talk about some issues. The release version of Vista is pretty darn good. As a Microsoft Partner, I get a bunch of their software and get pretty good support. They want their partners to be very well versed in the product so they can sell more of it. I had a couple of driver compatibility issues that were easily solved by going to the various vendor sites to download and install Vista compatible drivers.
It loads faster and I think it's far more intuitive that XP. Of course, you've got to have a pretty decent PC or laptop to get it working toi it's full potential.
I just switched my laptop over to it a week ago. My clients all want it, some based on Microsoft marketing hype. I figure I'd better start "eating my own dog food" if I'm expecting clients to pay me to convert. It's been a boon to me in revenue and will continue for some time. Vista and Office 2007 are going to give me some great opportunities. But then again, I'm in the business.
The only complaint I have is with HP who decided they were not going to spend the money to write a Vista driver for my scanner.
QuickBooks 2007 had a couple of issues related to permissions. That's probably because I upgraded rather than a fresh install. In hindsight, I should have followed the recommendations from a lot of forums in the technology sector and installed from scratch and then installed my software. But, I have clients that will want to upgrade and I wanted to experience it firsthand.”
“you guys all seam to forget windows 3.11??
I am so ready to upgrade, to get this cool aero effect...whoohoooo.
I did notice thou that Mac are selling more then ever. They even are selling them at the px right now.”
“W, if you want to be an apologist for Gates' smarmy business practices, so be it. If 'success' is the measure that matters to you to the exclusion of (all?) others... I have to say I don't find that surprising.
“The only way to truly defeat the evil of M$ is to quit using it....”
“My problem with Vista is not really problems with the OS....it's the manufacturers of much of my other software that keeps me from buying it right now.
I would have to spend $80.00 for Roxio Media Creator 9, $50.00 for Ulead Movie Factory and $80.00 for Adobe Elements 5.
Thats $210.00 on programs that I have now, but would need to "upgrade" to to use with Vista.
I haven't had a virus, Trojan or worm in years. My computers are running just fine with 1 or 1.5 gigs of ram and my Pent 4 Processors and 256mb Video cards.
The next puiter I build will use Vista and have all the newest bells and whistles....but for now I'm doing fine.
I'll wait a bit.”
Windows 3.11 is ancient history by technology standards. I thought we were talking about this century's products :)
Tilt, your reference to "Gates' smarmy business practices" is a pretty serious acqusation... do you have any evidence to back it up? Are you talking "illegal" or just something you don't agree with? How about some details? And, just for fun, can we make them details that you can document, please?
Can't wait to read them!
last edited: 4/13/07 10:27:50 PM”
“might makes right. all hail the almighty $”
“Yep you guys forgot about that case which the goverment won and forced M$ to.... er what penalty did they actually end up with?
oh, never mind.”
““might makes right. all hail the almighty $”
Hey Crash, I'm not sure you know very much about business, so I'd like to share some info. How would you like to be in a business where 35% of the people using your product have stolen it?
Maybe you want to sell your product internatonally, yet when you do the research you find out that 51%, (that's over half in case you're "math-challenged"), of the countries you're dealing with have a software piracy rate of 64%? That means 2/3 more people have stolen your product than have purchased it legally!
When you have as much $$ as Microsoft, everyone & their brother in our litiguouis society is going to think they should sue you for something. Of course then you also have the socialists out there who give MS a hard time because their software isn't open source & given away free!! HOW DARE THEY try to make money!
And of course you also have a bunch of would-be competitors who can't beat them by coming up with a better product, so they sue them.
Their overwheling success is a magnet for crybabies & crooks.”
“Its only fair everyone steals from M$ , after all, almost every peice of software they sell has its origins in software that M$ stole from other companies.
I got off the upgrade merry go round a few years ago when I decided that M$ wasnt worth it. Learning to live with linux was very hard at the time but now linux easily proforms all the work I need it to do.”
““Its only fair everyone steals from M$ , after all, almost every peice of software they sell has its origins in software that M$ stole from other companies."
I love it when people want to justify being a frikking thief! Lumberjack, if you're stealing software then you are a criminal & should be put away, period. If anyone ever proved that MS "stole" software, as you put it, they would have to pay the appropriate licensing or royalty fees.
You're not supposed to just make up which laws you will or won't obey when you don't agree with something. You are a thief, there is no justification for stealing from a company because you disagree with something they did.
last edited: 4/14/07 1:07:26 PM”
“Wasn't it Will Rodgers (?) who said something along the lines of: it's hard to persuade a man otherwise of another opinion than that of his own when his opinion is hopelessly tied to his wallet.
Of course then you also have the socialists out there who give MS a hard time because their software isn't open source & given away free!! HOW DARE THEY try to make money!
This is an uninformed opinion. Linux users are by and large not socialists. I suggest you read Raymond S. Carver's "The Cathedral and The Bizare." Nevertheless, if you get your pay from Microsoft, one shouldn't necessarily expext you to become publicly disloyal nor should you be expected to rail against Microsoft's products(Wanderer and other posters).”
“W, you really need to learn to relax”
“Nevertheless, if you get your pay from Microsoft, one shouldn't necessarily expext you to become publicly disloyal nor should you be expected to rail against Microsoft's products(Wanderer and other posters).”
In fact to do so would be a very dangerous action given the public scrutiny which blogs and forums are subject to. People have lost their jobs for less.”
“Microsoft's practices are deplorable.
BullSht. They're arguably the most successful company in history
the way youve worded that, it sounds like you believe business ethics dont matter, as long as you make stacks of cash.
hence, my comment, "might makes right..."”
“"...a software piracy rate of 64%? That means 2/3 more people have stolen your product than have purchased it legally"
Talk about "math challenged".”
“1. Their practices are very agressive, doesn't mean they are illegal or immoral.
2. I do not work for MS nor do I get any income from sale of their products.
3. I believe business ethics matter A LOT. But I believe you ought to have proof-positive of something before you make acqusations.
Precision, you make a lot of assumptions, all incorrect. My income is not tied to MS, and if you re-read my post, I specifically mentioned Open Source people, not specifically or necessarily Linux users.”
“i didnt make a single accusation. i was just making fun of your poorly constructed argument
“OK Vileman, I should have said "almost 2/3", there is a HUGE difference between 64% and 66&2/3%.
What, you don't have anything productive to do today?”
“if you say piracy rate of 64 percent, that means
a. 2/3 OF (not more) people have stolen...
b. TWO TIMES (not 2/3) more have stolen...
last edited: 4/14/07 1:54:49 PM”
“i think i'll order vista so i can get in on this discussion.”
“I specifically mentioned Open Source people, not specifically or necessarily Linux users.”
Linux distributions are almost all derived from open source projects with the core of the kernel as Linux - which is itself open source. Linux is, in technical fact, just the kernel. All the applications, shells, graphical interfaces, tools, utilities and services do not make a Linux machine - they might, yet they don't have to do so. Those non-kernel processes are implemented around the kernel. For example, Apple Mac OS 10.x can port Linux applications, but it is not, per say, a Linux computer and is not an open source software platform.
Linux open source proponents tend use the software they are proponent of.
“I'm just putting together a presentation for our customer User Group mtg next week... one of my graphs is an analysis from the support department"
last edited: 4/14/07 3:22:06 PM”
“The OVERWHELMING majority of calls ”
last edited: 4/14/07 3:28:39 PM”
“Have no idea what point you're trying to make, Precision. Try again.”
“ohhh, poor microsoft. everybody steals their stuff. how ever do they make ends meet?”
““ohhh, poor microsoft. everybody steals their stuff. how ever do they make ends meet?”
That's not the point I was trying to make, rather, it was that regardless of what you may think of Microsoft or any other company, that doesn't give you the right to make up your own rules & decide being a thief & stealing their stuff is OK.”
“There is no honor among thieves?”
“Windows is like a dog...lot's of up keep.
Mac is like a cat...takes care of itself.
PC thousands of viruses and os stinks.
Only eight known to a mac.”
“Bill Gates says in his book The Road Ahead that if people illegally use his products then they aren't using his competitors products and helping his business.”
“is anyone using the new Outlook mail aka Windows mail that comes with Vista? and if so did you have problems when you initially set it up with your smtp and pop info stuff?”
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