Happy birthday Glacier National Park!

“Born today in 1910...surely the crown jewel of our national parks...if you have not yet visited, get there before the glaciers melt!”

“Baking a cake?”

“YOU BLOW!!!!!

...out the candles.”

“great place!”

“Glacier Park is what it is because of the evidence left from glacial activity more than the fact that there are some remanants of glaciers still in the area.

Glacier being used as a tool to hype global warming pisses me off. The glaciers have been melting since the end of the ice age. As they get smaller they will melt at an accelerated rate because of the heat absorbed by the adjacent dirt and rock.

Glacier Park's inclusion in the park system is something to be celebrated but it also contributes to it's degradation because it makes it a magnet for traffic that other spectacular areas aren't forced to endure, and squabbling for control over it. But at least it isn't full of the cheesy second rate gambling establishments and tourist entertainment ventures that surround it.

By all means go to Glacier Park. But the grandeur is what the glaciers created, not the glaciers. Bring some good shoes and walk, and don't bring the Harley.”

“Thanks for your attempt at turning this fuego.”

“Hey if you're talking to me, it's like this.
You put a trail in front of me and I hike.”

“I know you hike. It just seemed that you unnecessarily injected politics into an otherwise benign thread. I can let it go at that.”

“I appreciate what Paul wrote it was exactly what I was thinking after reading the initial post with it's unnecessary poke at the global warming scare.

It is why I love glacier and how I feel about the status of the glaciers within.
If I want to see glaciers I would go to Alaska, if I want to see what they leave behind I go to Glacier National Park or the Great Lakes.


Cant wait to visit this summer also.”

“My main point, that I made twice, is that it's not Glacier Park because you go to see glaciers there. What you see is what the glacial activity created. It's become a political issue because the shrinking glaciers in the park have been sited as evidence of global warming. Whether politics were injected in the first post unintentionally or intentionally I don't know. But the situation with the glaciers in the park is something that is used to drive a political movement and using this as example for the case is a poor one and that sets me off. By the way that's what I meant by put a trail in front of me and I hike. It was a figure of speech.”

“"it was exactly what I was thinking after reading the initial post with it's unnecessary poke at the global warming scare."

....excuse me, I do not appreciate you reading more into my thread than I posted...I never mentioned anything about the reasons the glaciers are shrinking just the obvious and well known fact that they are doing so...my information about the shrinking glaciers came from George Ostrom when I hiked with him one summer...he is one of the founding members of the Over-the-Hill Gang who hike, and have hiked, Glacier every Thursday for 30 or 40 years....he told me a lot about changes he's seen in the park...I found it very interesting....

I personally think the white of the glaciers, blue of the lakes, green of the trees and wonderful glacially impacted rocks are what make this area so special...if you feel that the glaciers add nothing to it, fine but don't start attacking me for some imagainary, underhanded political statement...if I wanted to state what you imagined, that the melting glaciers are the fault of global warming or even thought it, I would have...

I also am very well aware of the geology of the area...if you want to start a debate go start your own thread in fuego...it pisses me off when people's paranoia causes them to imagine the worst motives for what was a simple post about one of the most amazing geologic places I have ever seen...and I've been there quite a few times over the last 20 years...Bah!”

“when the glaciers have melted, we'll have new lakes to name and new morraines to climb!

We can all go back and take new pictures of the "new" stuff that wasn't visible before.”

“My apologies to you Mataharihiker if I seemed to attack what you said. It's that the shrinking glaciers here have been sited as an example of global warming and a reason for hysteria that inspired my comments. I made the point that I had no way of knowing if your statement had an intended political jab. It fanned some fires in me though.

If you want to debate what I said about the reason it's called Glacier Park, ask George's opinion. I think he'll aree with the point, that I'm not the originator, and that's the official reason for the park being named Glacier. I did not say the glaciers add nothing to it.

I did say that there's squabbling for control over the park and yes, I'm paranoid about where that could go. The global warming debate could infuence decisions that affect my world, and GNP is part of it.

So I'll once again apologize for turning your post into something more than you intended Mataharihiker. I'm sorry. Anybody else who wants me to apologize to them? I'm sorry to you too. But you can't post something and say I can't elaborate on the subject. Discussion is what this is here for, right? Maybe the occaision is a good time to talk about this.
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“Jesus H!, Mataharihiker.

You have exceptionally thin skin. I am sorry for your non appreciation I wasn't looking to win appreciation. Whew, you fly right off the handle, fast, when you are slightly offended.

Heehee, jeesh, seems you assume as much or more from my post as you think I did from yours! Speculating on paranoia, allegations of attacking rhetoric Wow.

After all I was agreeing with paul, not debating you.
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“Jerks are everywhere these days.”

“here is something to cheer the day!

”

“Any fish in there?”

“Even while I don't fish, I can tell you there are. Have someone posted next to you with a can of Counter Assault so when the bears get a wiff of fish they don't eat the fish and you.”

“While I know I'm risking once again making people mad at me for reporting this, I am going to anyway because I'm so excited.

This week I confirmed plans to climb Mt Sinopah on July 16 (the prominent peak in the Two Medicine webcam), Flinsch Peak July 18 (the peak immediately to the right of Sinopah on the TM cam) in conjunction with the Dawson Pitamakin Loop, and Mt. Cannon on July 20.

These are during Glacier Mountaineering week which is a good time anyone can attend and people do from near and far. I am supposed to do what I can for the club. I feel like I've done my duty now. Find them on the internet.”

“Very cool, PotW, whoops, bad abreviation...you know, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone doing any mountaineering-type climbing in Glacier, a park named for the activities that created it and not the glaciers left behind, as everyone should know if they don't already......I envy you living in such a place...have you done many of the trails down in the Missions...like around Turquoise/Heart and Grey Wolf Lakes? oh, and I did appreciate your writing, " I made the point that I had no way of knowing if your statement had an intended political jab. It fanned some fires in me though."...I think people who live up their have a right to get fires up their butts...they are they ones who truly know the region...the rest of us are just tourists...

dots on a screen, tnprime...I should know better than to post when I'm hungry....
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“"
dots on a screen, tnprime...I should know better than to post when I'm hungry...."

Werd!”

“MHH-Glacier would be more well known for the climbing if it were solid rock rather than crumbly. The problems presented are inadequate holding power of rock for climbing aids and the danger from falling rock. There are six peaks 10,000 or higher and five what are called technical peaks that are climbable if you have the skills to do so. There are many rewarding climbs that take nothing more than just strong legs and desire.

I have hiked and climbed in the Missions. I've been to Turquoise Lake on a day hike and also camped above Turquoise at Jewel Lake out of where I climbed the ridges above Turquoise and down through bushwacking hell to Heart Lake and then on trail back to camp. There's a can of Counter Assault in the bushes if anybody wants to go find it.”

“I thought I remembered someone telling me that that much of the rocks in Glacier were crumbly...that's why I was taken aback when I read about mountaineering there....

I camped at Heart Lake and started to bushwack towards Island Lake but was completely daunted and turned back...I can't imagine how anyone could get through that!”