Ron Paul

“I don't see a full scare World War as inevitable. I believe it can be avoided. I think this should go down more like the cold war: containment, skilled propaganda, battle for hearts and minds, development aid to shore up weaker nations, full on force used judiciously but used when needed.

If this goes into a full scale World War, I think the US will be screwed. China (and maybe the USSR and others) can sit on the side lines, light a few fires to make things harder for us and emerge as the most powerful force on the planet. The tranfer of wealth out of this country and into places like China is already a huge problem.”

“According to a Moslem author on C-SPAN a few months ago, 'jihad' and 'jihadi' are used incorrectly throughout the media because it implies a just cause or struggle.

Unfortunately, I missed what she said was the accurate term... for a false jihad, one that is illegitimate from the point of view of religious law, the term that accurately describes the actions of terrorists.

I've run some searches and done some reading, but the exact term is still hiding out there somewhere.

Be On the Lookout ----”

“When you're willing to cut off your head to spite your libbie- what else can one expect?”

“Incoherency is running rampant.”

“That would be a smart move Tilt, to begin using a term that conveys a false, or unjust, jihad.”

“So let me get this right...if someone negatively affects your national interest its "okay" to attack?

SO if they do something like violate the Geneva Convention treaty...or break a peace treaty it should be Kick A$$ and take names?


How would you want to respond to this

http://www.break.com/index/rocket-misses-israeli-gas-station.html”

“No kidding. Any other nation on the face of the earth that took as many rocket attacks over it's borders and they'd be picking up the enemy with sponges.”

“Incoherency amongst Pauliticians- impossible.”

“PAWPAW FOR JESUS!!

PAWPAW FOR JESUS!!!!”

“LOL..Nigal could you see Isreal Attacking Lebanon and the President being asked what he thinks and answering<'Gotta suck to be in Lebanon."”

“They attacked Lebanon last year and to what end?

Over 1,000 civilians dead and it looks like the same old SNAFU.”

“They are already calling up every swinging dick they have in the reserves for this summer. I just wish they'd tell the UN to go bugger themselves and take care of Israel and stop trying to get the world to like them. They never will.”

“I don't see how Israel is trying to get the world to like them by killing civilians in Lebanon.

Oh yeah........
"They are already calling up every swinging dick they have in the reserves for this summer."

Now you have given information to "the enemy".
Why do you love terrorists?”

“After sixty years of over and over, doing the same thing, you people are expecting a different result. I'll call Franklin for you.”

“Attention uncliff, you have salebored holding on line 2.”

“Yakkadee yak ---- ---- ----.”

“Ron Paul at Iowa GOP debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iStNuhCA-5s&eurl=”

“It's funny how the left goes goo-goo over Ron Paul, but the reality is if he won it
'd be their worst nightmare. He's as right as they come. Oh, but he opposes the war (a far right viewpoint), so at least we'd have to pull out and make America look bad - I guess that's their motivation for loving the guy.”

“I love Ron Paul!

Not the man. The phenomena.

I was in Philadelphia the night of the 4th of July. It was raining like mad. I was walking down the street with an umbrella.

The street was completely empty except for one man in a black thrash metal T-shirt, shorts and tennis shoes. He had a big "Ron Paul" sign and no umbrella.

Every once in awhile, he would hold up the sign and yell something. I don't know who he was talking to.

It was perfect. I think that Ron Paul needs to start a company like Amway.”

“Ron Paul has a very simple consistent philosophy. Following it consistently and knowing he doesn't really have a chance at the nomination allows him to see some things clearly and report what he sees.

With respect to the war and related issues, he can be like the kid in the emperor's new clothes story, except the other candidates and their choirs freak out and call him a kook. That kid probably wasn't fit to rule either, but he did cut through the BS - at least for a moment.”

“LOL. Sarge...remember the liberal mantra

WHATS BAD FOR THE COUNTRY IS GOOD FOR US

WHATS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY IS BAD FOR US.”

“pedxing, Ron Paul's views are the same as they always have been when he ran for and stood in office previously (as you've said), so I'm not sure why his Presidential campaign would suddenly make him see "clearly". Do you think Senators see clearly in general? If so, there wouldn't be so many opposing views. It's not his lack of a chance that allows him to see clearly and report what he sees.”

“I voted for Ron Paul , who else can say the same?”

“People in Iowa?”

“The five members of the Libertarian Party presidential nomination committee.

Motto: Who needs a committee when we're the whole damn party.”

“lol!”

“LOL....I think Ron Paul is getting so much attention becuase there really seems to be a "Celebrity Worship" thing going on.

I mean, Hillary, Obama, McCain, et al....there is not one I am impressed with .”

“It's not his lack of a chance that allows him to see clearly and report what he sees.”
Sarge
7:54:37 AM
8/06/07

It is what gives him an edge over the other candidates in that regard. People, in both parties, that smell a shot at the Presidency start reformulating their views on all kinds of things. That's why as you say, "Ron Paul's views are the same as they always have been when he ran for and stood in office previously." The only thing that has changed with his candidacy is the size of his public platform. I've respected Ron Paul's consistency since I first came across him when I read something he'd written or said about Daniel Boone's political career.”

“Had to go.
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“It is what gives him an edge over the other candidates in that regard.

I certainly agree with that, just not sure I agree that it means he sees more clearly. You could theoretically have 5 candidates who have not changed their platforms while running for platform. Does that mean each one has clarity or has more credibility?”

“It is not logically inevitable.

But, for example, he seems to be the only one presidential candidate who saw any connection between Al- Qeda's attacks on the US and US foreign policy. Everybody else in the Republican camp seemed to gasp like he was a crazy person. Rudy seemed to think that the idea that 9/11/01 was tied to our foreign policy in any way was the nuttiest fringe theory he'd ever heard.”

“Well, I happen to agree with Rudy, especially if you consider the history of AlQ and the fact that Osama, from the beginning, had blamed our western ways (lifestyle) in his early speeches to Muslims and they continue to site references in the Koran to the "infidels", a reference to the Christian religion, not foreign policy. Either way, allowing that as a justification for terrorist attacks and therefore, a call to change our foreign policy based on their religious beliefs, sounds nutty IMO.”

“Ron believes big fed government is bad and that the solution is to redistribute its' powers back into the states and down to the individual. The IRS is the main target as it should be. Oh, if you haven't heard, Bob Nardelli has been chosen to run 'Cryingsellar Motors'. He's the guy that tried to destroy the 'HomeCheapo'.”

“Reality-based thinking!   [GASP]

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.”

“Help me with some new terms I'm wrestling with; disinflation and deflation? They both sound like modern Japanese to me, but I'm sure they have something to do with gold falling like a rock into the stock pile.”

“UN, Tilt that is right...but there is one EEENSY little part of the Constitution the libertarians overlook. Its the only OATH contained in the Constitution

where the President swears to defend the Constitution (um the very anti Central Government official who wrote that sent Marines to fight the Barbary Pirates)....”

“Exceptions exist. I've been on this board the 7 years of this new century and have found 2 out of 1.7X10 to the 7th Stovie post that did NOT contain 'Silly Libby'.”

“Either way, allowing that as a justification for terrorist attacks and therefore, a call to change our foreign policy based on their religious beliefs, sounds nutty IMO.”
Sarge
8:49:18 AM
8/06/07

Right there is the crux of the problem. People with a commitment to certain policies link the perception: "Al Qeda attacked us because of our activities abroad" to the policy "we should change out foreign policy to suit them." Because they object to the conclusion, they blind themselves to the reality.

There are interim questions: Is there something about our foreign policy that is worth sticking to in the face of these costs? Is our foreign policy correct?

As an counter example: Japan's attack on Pearly Harbor had a lot to do with our foreign policy. However, our foreign policy towards Japan (the flying tigers, support for Chinese resistance, trying to cut off needed raw materials, etc..) was right in my opinion.

Many of my most intense pro-Israel friends deny that our support for Israel makes us enemies in the Islamic world. I say it does. I also say that supporting Israels right to exist is the right thing to do. There are other changes I'd like to see in out policy towards Israel, but we shouldn't do them because we think it will appease the jihadis. Nothing short of allowing Israel to be wiped off the map would appease many of them them, while others would be saying "Jerusalem and Tel Aviv today, Washington and New York tomorrow."”

“agreed”

“So, do we occupy the next country that we can Lie the public into believing was responsible. Soon we could occupy the face of the earth-wait a minute...”

“Ron Paul is like Al Gore. His followers treat him more like a deity than a man.”

“That's typical of the Libertarian party. (where many of his followers come from)”

“(where many of his followers come from)
You are both correct. You see him and his followers through the eyes of Repuocratic nonesence. Welcome to the great realization, it'll be good for you to see the magic of honesty when the light shines on the corrupt heros you hold so dear.”

“the corrupt heros you hold so dear

ahhh ... the money market.”

“If you're talkin stocks etc, that's my livelihood, but I'll gladly retire to something honest to support a real america.”

“Actions speak louder than words.”

“Rule #1: Never trust a man who uses all three of his names (Lee Harvey Oswalt, John Wilks Booth).

Rule #2: Never trust a man with two first names (Ron Paul).”

“With respect to the war and related issues, he can be like the kid in the emperor's new clothes story, except the other candidates and their choirs freak out and call him a kook. That kid probably wasn't fit to rule either, but he did cut through the BS - at least for a moment.

Very good comparison Ped. Much like Ross Pero, who everyone called a kook too, he did force the other two knuckleheads to face the issues he raised. As they stand now I'd probably vote for Ron Paul before Clinton or Rudy.”

“Newt, libertarian ,but coated like chinese toys.
Fred, I knew Ron Reagan and he didn't lobby...
Mike, when you gona screw done that platform?
Dr. No's better than these MIAs.”

“The left goes goo-goo over Ron Paul? Huh... news to me.

It is nice to see someone on that stage who can make a coherent point.”