Does Capital Punishment deter murder?

“An interesting article on a series of studies producing consistent results.

Opinions?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/ap_on_re_us/death_penalty_deterrence”

“Does a Police State deter crime?”

“Does a bear poop in the woods?”

“I've never heard of any repeat offenders.”

“what about a threepeat?”

“Even though I consider myself a conservative I'm kind of warming to the idea of getting rid of the needle all together and having them rot in jail for life with no possibility of parole.”

“When the anti-death penalty academic professors acknowledge that the death penalty deters murders, you can take it to the bank.

Statistically speaking, even taking people off death row results in more murders.

Faster executions deters murders.

But the liberals do not care if more innocent people die so long as they can feed their emotions with harmful causes like being against the death penalty.”

“If we could be sure that prosecutors get it right..................and we can't.

How many innocent people have been executed?

http://www.thejusticeproject.org/press/bloodsworth/

http://www.truthinjustice.org/bloodsworth.htm”

“its better that thousandds of innocent men be convicted than 1 guilty go free"

dwight schrute”

“Police/Prosecutor Misconduct

http://www.truthinjustice.org/p-pmisconduct.htm”

“If executed within 48 hours of conviction.”

“Texas seems to enjoy executions. How come they stand as one of the most consistently violent states in the country?”

“First off, capital punishment is a government program.

I'm not opposed to the death penalty. If the research holds up that it does deter crime, that's a powerful argument in its favor.

However, the whole system needs a lot of work. Anyway you categorize crimes, poor people, non-white people and people with low IQs get the penalty much more often than others. DNA evidence has shown that way too many people get the death sentence for crimes they didn't commit.

I'm for massive reform of the system, but wouldn't eliminate the death penalty if the system could be reformed. I've met at least one person who I thought was worthy (a supposedly rehabilitated kidnapper-rapist who killed again while in a psychiatric hospital on a transitional release program). People with life sentences still affect the prison climate and prisoners who are released.”

“"I'm for massive reform of the system, but wouldn't eliminate the death penalty if the system could be reformed."

I'll go along with that.

There are plenty of people who deserve the death penalty for horrible things they have done.

Yeah, what's with Texas and Virginia for that matter?”

“Nigal, do me a favor, work for a year in a prison. Look at what the low paid men and women in our Correctional System have to deal with each day. They can be spat upon, every type of liquid or substance can be thrown at them. Heck some waste of human flesh can attack them at and a worst he or she gets ...Prison? (reminds you of the famous "crucifixtion exchange in Life of Brian") On the other hand the Corrections officer can be disabled or dead. He or she has a family without a provider and the scum could care not a whit.

I say make prison real. UP at 0400 for calesthenics for 2 hours then 30 minutes for a quick breakfast. Work them the first 1/2 of their sentence for 10 hours a day in stoop labor growing food in the field. The second half of thier sentence they can earn points to get real training to return to a real world job upon parole. Food will be sparse days will be long. Face it if they are too tired a 9 PM to raise hell there will be fewer problems.

If there is a riot shut down that wing/pod whatever. Give them 30 minutes to surrender. If they don't or if they kill or injure one officer in the process you go in and you kill every prisoner in the block/pod whatever. Dead kill everyone whether they participated or not. And then bill the families of the prisoners for the bullets (LOL)>

I will guarantee you will NEVER have another riot at that facility.

Death penalty, one year from the sentence. Their attorney may file three appeals. One to the State court, the Federal Court and one to the Supreme Court. They will be fast tracked to the justices. If necessary the prisoner may be allowed no more than the required time to review the appeal (limit the time to say 90 days total). At the end of the time the prisoner takes the walk.”

“The death penalty is basicly state sanctioned murder....

My version of three strikes..
1st offense: counseling/restitution ect.,rehab is the goal

2cnd offense: prison with hard labor. Punish the offender

3rd offense. forced servitude, loss of all legal rights. sale to the highest bidder...
yes its called slavery and the owner is both responsible for their property and free to treat their property as they wish...”

“"Look at what the low paid men and women in our Correctional System have to deal with each day."

These low-paid folks make 100K in California, thanks to their Union.”

“How many innocent people have we executed? None who have been on death row in the last three decades.

But the Illinois moratorium on executions in 2000 led to 150 additional homicides of innocent people in the next four years.

Liberals cry, whine, and gieve we might execute a solitary innocent individual, but ignore 150 innocent people murdered who would be alive today if the moratorium on executions in Illinois did not happen. By the way, the governor who did that to curry favor with inmates was subsequently sentenced to prison himself.”

“Public hangings are the way to go. This is what makes me a Rep.”

“You know someone is talking crap when the key to their point is "liberals" will tell you this or even 'conservatives" tell you that...

In relation to Prosecutor in particular - he's on the record many many times saying the rising crime in Illinois was a result of the state and local gun laws. - He now seems to be telling us that there's more to it - that sentencing and the judicial process might have something to do with crime rates and murder rates in particular.

What is it to be Prosecutor?


It's a tough one really - I fail to see how people who commit the most violent crimes - those with the death penalty as a possibility - make this decision on whether they will get the dealth penalty or simply spend the rest of their lives behind bars. But If these stats add up then there is more to the matter.”

“Lumber...get a dictionary. Mruder is an illegal act. If someone is adjudged to be a danger to society it is no different than putting down a rabid dog.

I always thought sending them to some foriegn place like Cambodia to clear mine fields. Of course they would be under the care and control of that nation's penal system (LOL).

I comes down to this, do you want to criminals to respect the system or "like the system"..personally I would rather have those who refuse to abide by the bounds of normal society scare S-tless of the threat of punishment. But I run into people every day who think we can hug and kiss em into liking us.”

“There you have it from Trail Talk's resident sadist.

Be afraid, y'all!!

LOL”

“Marky mark...live a while in the real world before you make a comment”

“XLax and the real world????

When do you arrive, dude?

Do you need a ride from the space port?”

“xl, your 704pm post i was with you up until the killing every single inmate in the wing, but im sure you meant that facetiously”

“Hey Crash! Use 'merican time like Jesus did, don't use commie time and confuse the sh-- out of us.”

“jesus loves america. it says so right in the bible”

“Libbies are so silly.”

“Tee hee, y'all!!”

“Capital punishment deters SSLOL from killin' my miserable arse.”

“btw, im in favor of capital punishment, so if youre calling me a libbie, youre simple”

“You're lucky that I'm deterred, Bang Bang!!”

“i wasnt talking to you, lilly sibbie”

“Booger-flicker!!”

“Poopy pants...(LOL)”

“Punk ass(two words?)”

“Y2 doesn't believe the academic studies that show that increase in gun laws increase violent crime.

Y2 does not believe the academic studies that the death penalty deters murders.

Y2 does not believe that there are multiple causes for increased violent crime. How simple.”

“UM...Marko do you think you should be advertising here?”

“On the third count they should be put in a cell with any two of you monkeys.”

“Y2 does not believe that there are multiple causes for increased violent crime. How simple.”
prosecutor
9:27:13 PM
6/11/07

thank you Prosecutor, the next time I see you peddling the the argument that guns are the answer to Americas crime problems, as you very often do - I'll repeat this line to you.”

“mmmmmmmmmmmmm violence”

“ I fail to see how people who commit the most violent crimes - those with the death penalty as a possibility - make this decision on whether they will get the dealth penalty or simply spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

my guess it might not deter crimes of passion very much, but it might do a better job of deterring the pre-meditated type”

“Salebored.................wize, like”

“People who commit violent crime will be deterred by the punishment, but only IF they think they will be caught.

Criminals in general are not the smartest bunch, there are many studies showing that repeat offenders would make more money working at McDonalds than they make with their robberies

Yet most think they are so smart they will not get caught.

Only when certainity of capture and punishment is very high will the criminal look at what happens in the punishment phase.

On the flip side I am in favor of capital punishment to protect society from the possibility of escape for those who we can never release, and also because I think death is preferable to being caged for a lifetime.

Just my opinion.”

“Crash I agree, crimes of passion are going to be difficult to deter, but take the case in Tenn, where the young WHITE couple was carjacked tortured raped and murdered. If the scum involved are executed, quickly, painfully and then the bodies disappear. I am betting they WILL not commit another crime.

The tough thing about the LIFER's is that they have nothing to lose. SO they feel totally able to do as they wish. I say make something in PRISON that will make them FEAR something.

I am sure that Y2 has significantly MORE experience than Prosecutor in dealing with the criminal element. (Switching to hick voice for more Sarcasm) "WAAAL I'LL bet Y2 done gots all the best of Perry Mason and Adam 12" so he done be an espert on criminiminal behavior."

Guess what mouseketeers...they aren't afraid of us. If they were they would find someone else to go after.”

“I don't think criminals logically weigh the risks and benefits of their actions with any precision. It does seem plausible that news of executions makes them more afraid of getting caught.

Its also possible that executions change the morale of law enforcement officers which then impacts crime.

The research bears watching. The results seem plausible and the implications - that capital punishment works to deter crime needs to be taken seriously.

That's not the end of the debate. There are other moral and social issues involved in capital punishment. For me, however, this pushes me further in the direction of trying to fix the system - rather than abolish it.”

“Fixing the system makes sense.

Here's another thing to consider:
I wonder if certainty of capital punishment compells those who commit capital crimes to be more likely to kill witnesses.”

“Good point MarkO. That would certainly be an issue when there is certainty of execution for crimes like kidnapping or robbery with confrontation of the victim.”

“The old old question. How many murder victims really deserve death? May be way more than we think.”

“I think Manuka has hit on something - A number of other studies point to the fear of getting caught as being a key factor - being caught and killed would be an even stronger factor.

XL - not sure what you're talking about once again - as I agree with him. There are many factors behind rising and falling levels of crime.”