Petition to Keep Trailtalk the Way it Is

“laqtis, you are so wise to deduce all that after the fact. You have always been of the opinion that this place was better back in the day. I disagree, I think it is more that your core friends are no longer here, thus you see less value in TT for you personally. Plus, this site is much more politically balanced now than when I first logged in. I think you just miss the days when you could trash conservatives with impunity from your close knit circle.”

“I'm not mad at all. I just think your attacks on matt are pretty childish. He owns this domain and can do with it as he pleases.”

“LOL...sure Mapes, no problem.”

“Don't worry, no ones gona scrap you barnacles off the ship.”

“I agree, Elise, TT should be kept the way it is! I hope Matt told you he pays me to post here...I'll email you my address, so you can send the checks.”

““Today is the summer solstice and I really think we should pretend like Matt didn't leave us and just all go out and celebrate nekkid hiking day.”
Creek Dancer
8:54:17 AM

Every day I find a new reason why I really need to hike with you”

“We think of TT as "free" but of course it's not. We basically consent to be exposed to advertising in exchange for use of the service. It's a small price to pay but what it means is that in a sense -we- are "product"... a product that TT sells to advertisers.

Welcome to the modern consumer market where products (vendors) are consumers (of segmented data for targeted advertising) and the customers (us) are the products. It's flip-flopped from conventional "consumer/product" thinking and it's very much the way the system works these days.

I believe in this system and also believe it will work to our advantage. A new owner will be eager to retain their product (us) and in fact may work harder to appease us and increase the subscription rate.

For the record I like TT the way it is, however I also believe that EVERYTHING has room for improvement. Once you claim something is perfect it's just about time for something new to come along and knock it over.
last edited: 6/21/07 8:24:29 AM”

“Today is the summer solstice and I really think we should pretend like Matt didn't leave us and just all go out and celebrate nekkid hiking day.”
Creek Dancer
8:54:17 AM

Every day I find a new reason why I really need to hike with you”
hyway
8:14:36 AM


now you know why I took her to Trail days ;)”

“C'mon now. It's been at least two years since I got one of those strange hankerin's!”

“Did I ever tell you my middle name is Hank? I think you need another good hankerin”

“The greatness of TT is the open dialogue and that it doesn't look like all the other forums.

I've got no use for Trails.commie or any other internet site that requires a paid subscription.

KEEP TT FREE!!!”

““I agree, Elise, TT should be kept the way it is! I hope Matt told you he pays me to post here...I'll email you my address, so you can send the checks.”
lyra
8:13:31 AM
6/21/07
What Lyra forgot to mention is that as her manager, I get 30%. I'm sure it was a small oversight on her part.”

“Trails.commie or any other internet site that requires a paid subscription

so ummmm, you just called them commies, even tho your main beef with them is that they are capitalists?”

“I dunno Hank. Last time I scared some horses so bad that PETA came after me.”

“OH CRA#...I just found out...the forum will be overseen by the Knights who until recently said NEE




I am guessing the word IT will be banned.”

“"I'm not mad at all. I just think your attacks on matt are pretty childish. He owns this domain and can do with it as he pleases."

Perhaps we should get somethings straight, here; hopefully, it will avert the communication problem we seem to be having here.

I could give a rats shake if he sat on the sucker, pulled it, sold it, blew it -- whatever.

For a very long time, it was always held around here that one of the things that made it "neat", and "cool", and "enter your personal favorite", was mainly due to the fact that it wasn't "the other place". "That other place" was always used as one of the metrics in judging which was the "in-place" to be.

Now, "this place" becomes "that place". I could be wrong, but in the past when other places, like some of the gear companies we #&%!$ about around here, have changed ownership, or have made major changes in their business practices, people around here have used the term "sold out". Traditionally, isn't the term "sell out" usually used when a "mom and pop" goes corporate? Just because I use the term in appropriate context, people think I'm upset? That's the most incredible thing.

"laqtis, you are so wise to deduce all that after the fact."

Not wise at all, unless you count all the times I've been called a wise ass.

"You have always been of the opinion that this place was better back in the day. I disagree, I think it is more that your core friends are no longer here, thus you see less value in TT for you personally."

Speaking of deduction, your previous words couldn't speak truer of this very comment.

My position has always been that when I first started lurking and posting around here, the persona's that haunted this place were pretty creative and fun to read, along with the threads. Then, as time progressed, the atmosphere changed; due in part to losing some of those creative posters to a change over in format. In fact, there was a long period when this place was trying to find a good format "identity". An way, then events with 9/11 and the following "war" split and polarized this place. That was another change. We lost some creative posters during that time period, and the atmosphere changed once more. This process repeats itself now every year or so.

So, it's the loss of the creative posters, and threads that I am claiming were better "back in the day". I know you joined a year after I did; perhaps you were not able to witness some of that stuff.

"I think you just miss the days when you could trash conservatives with impunity from your close knit circle."

Ah, hyway, with all serious due respect, it's apparent you haven't paid too much attention to my political positions. You first logged in, in 2002, during the days were I fully supported the present administration, the current action in the Middle East, and dutifully trashed Democrats every day, and twice on Sunday, on this board. So as far as me being able to have "impunity" from trashing the presently corrupt, inept, rapists that used to be my former party from a very early age, during the supposed "glory days of tt as proclaimed by laqtis" claim your laying out their; I just don't think it holds up.

Perhaps another shot at it, ole boy?”

“Why don't you work on getting me a raise, LZ!”

“Let's be optimistic. Maybe the universe will stay in balance.”

“Lyra, negotiations are in the works as we speak.”

“LOL...remember the OLD DAYS..good liberal tripe. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad.”

“wanna explain to me how it is that LIBERALS are the ones that talk about the good old days? youre so goddamn desperate to liberal-smear you make statements that are 180 degrees from reality, on a regular basis

everything is fcking whine whine whine libbies this libbies that ON SHT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS

and then youll come back with o gee youre not taking me seriously, are you? no, but im sick of your stupid, annoying sht.
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“XL how do you know what the GOOD OLD DAYS were? you have only been here for a little over a year.”

“Conservatives seem to be doing a fine job trashing each other these days.  It's a beautiful thing.”

““wanna explain to me how it is that LIBERALS are the ones that talk about the good old days? youre so goddamn desperate to liberal-smear you make statements that are 180 degrees from reality, on a regular basis

everything is fcking whine whine whine libbies this libbies that ON SHT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS

and then youll come back with o gee youre not taking me seriously, are you? no, but im sick of your stupid, annoying sht.
last edited: 6/21/07 10:43:44 AM”
crash bang
10:40:31 AM
6/21/07



Is it just me, or does anyone else see the huge amount of irony in this?”

““I agree, Elise, TT should be kept the way it is! I hope Matt told you he pays me to post here...I'll email you my address, so you can send the checks.”
lyra
9:13:31 AM
6/21/07

Why not do like me and have direct deposit?”

“"LOL...remember the OLD DAYS..good liberal tripe. We tend to remember the good and forget the bad."


LMFAO! Is that why you keep bring up WWII in every analogy?”

“wow.”

“Wow doesn't describe it well enough.

I would use the word, "ouch".”

“I am getting scared now. Everyone should head over to upluver's site.

www.midwesthiker.com”

“I don't live in the midwest. The national appeal of this site is what is so cool. I often describe it as a free guide service. For example, HPM plans a trip to his favorite backyard locale and people from half the country show up. THey just show up without really having to plan and are introduced to a section of the country they wouldn't have ever seen. It works great.”

“We always have the darkside”

“Didn't that just change hands too?”

“We always have the darkside

No thanks”

“Yeah, if a Rodale product is the solution to a problem, then that's one hell ofa problem.”

“PLEASE CHANGE THE FORUM SOFTWARE.

The more the new owners can move this forum away from Matt's mess, the better.

Oh, and IGW laqtis.”

““I dunno Hank. Last time I scared some horses so bad that PETA came after me.”
Creek Dancer
9:35:28 AM
6/21/07

Sounds good to me. I'll come after you with my peta, too.”

“What DayHiker said..........

I love the way people from all over the place find their way to places that they have never been to any time of the day or night.
Some have found their way in the dark to camp sites miles from trail heads to meet up with people they have met or not.”

“I also like the diversity. I disagree with lots of people on here, but thoroughly enjoy the different views. I learn about non hiking things I would never have otherwise been exposed to. Let's face it, most of peers in the real world are probably pretty similar to us. TT lets us get exposed to people who are very, very different. I value that.”

“i have always thought of it as a backpackers forum not a backpacking forum... a group people with a common interests sharing ideas... that whole "campfire talk" analogy... backpackers talking about kayaking, climbing, politics, food, life woes, dating, jokes, current events, etc, etc. it wouldn't be any fun if we could only talk about backpacking.”

“Excellent distinction Jimmy”

“I concur with dayhiker. Well said, jimmy san.”

“We lost some creative posters during that time period, and the atmosphere changed once more

Whenever I get too creative Matt bans me.

And Rodale does good stuff. Especially in regards to the environment. I doubt our new Overlords can say the same.”

“Well, since we are all being creative, I thought I should be the first to let the new webmaster know she has friends here....





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“is that cat flipping me the bird?”

“That #&%!$ does seem to be saying "#&%!$ You!"”

“laqtis, I think my traildays trip report was pretty creative. At least I quite enjoyed it.”

“See now THIS is why they bought the site. Good old fashioned WWF style posting! No one goes to the races to see the race. It's the crashes that get everyone to the races.

I love each and every one of you dirty douche bags with all my little black heart! LOL!”

“F you Nigal!”

“#&%!$ all you #&%!$ing #&%!$ers.”

““F you Nigal!”

Says King of the Douchebags! Bring me the head of a pig!

BTW- I hope Matt made bags and bags of cash off the deal. I'm sure the therapy sessions he is in because of all of us ain't cheap.”