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“I only posted this as FUEGO because I know it will develop into it.
QUESTION: When the news reports that 5 US troops were killed in Iraq, why do they then say, "Four U.S. soldiers and a Marine were killed Sunday." I mean no disrespect here, just wondering. Are they not all soldiers?
“the marine probably questioned the war and is therefore un-american”
“Marines are sailors.”
“OOOH Y2...I hereby invite you to go to a Marine reunion and say that (LOL).
This is the explanation I got in 1978 when I was involved in a debate on separating the Marine CORPS from the NAVY.
The Marines are actually an arm of the navy. They are by their design not an ARMY but rather designed as a SHOCK force which would be on board ships. In the olden days the unit that would most likely be able to reach an area of trouble the quickest was the Marines since they were on Naval vessels.
Often you would only have a few Marines for a difficult job. (since there were only a finite number of Marines on board a ship).”
“Marines are amphibians, no?”
“Actually the Army had more Amphibious landings in World War II than the Marines in their entire history....”
“Okay, that is somewhat I thought.”
“They say soldier for Army, Marine for Marines, and Sailor for Navy.”
“Yes after being run through WWII filter, I agree.”
Do Royal Marines wear tiaras?
“Oh yeah, soldiers smell better.”
“Why do they put Marines on ships?
Sheep would be too obvious.”
“"Why do they put Marines on ships?"
Because their asses belong to the Navy.”
“Yeah...but a friend of our family was in Grenada at the University when the whole uglyness started. He said the greatest sound he ever heard was the door being kicked in (where they were being "gathered") and hearing "UNITED STATES MARINES"
He told his mom, at that moment he knew he was going to be safe.”
“I'm sure he would have felt safer with his mom.”
“Protecting a buncha rich kids who couldn't get into medical school in the states...”
“Its a tireless snake that crawls the paths of Trail Talk.”
“No roseypalmer...it was American Citizens..something that most of the left have forgotten in their all encompassing battle to divide the nation into little groups of victims.”
““Protecting a buncha rich kids who couldn't get into medical school in the states...”
As violin would say, "Most stupid post of the day".”
“No Stove since they are RICH they obviously TOOK THE MONEY from an honorable poor person, they do not deserve the protection of the Constitution. If they are attacked, we should laugh. If they are slandered or have their rights violated...SUCKS to BE THEM.
The liberal hypocrisy is just hilarious. They scream about even and FAIR, but they want "fairness" in OUTCOME. That means if they do not want to work to get somewhere those who succeed MUST BE PUNISHED>”
“In the past Marine essentially served two purproses on board ships, but the modern day US Marines have evolved beyond these.
Their first role was as fighters during naval battles. The second was to be the enforcers for the Captain and his officers. Each ship would get a number of marines who would get their own quarters between the officers and the crew. Their conditions would be an improvement from those in the main ships crew and would be used to deter and even supress mutinies.”
“Y2...by modern you are setting the date as???(LOL)
I think William Eaton and First Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon would probably argue that they did a lot more than police the ships from even the EARLY years....interesting aside...they took on ***shock and horror*** Islamic Pirates.”
“Modern, well start of the 20th Century, WW2, Korea, Vietnam - there's been a number of steps and you could pick a bunch of different dates and they could all apply. It's an evoutionary thing.”
“Okay so this means we toss out Tripoli, the War of 1812, and the various expeditionary operations in the 1800s (culminating with the Boxer Rebellion) and OF COURSE lets forget Mexico.
Yep pretty much were ship board cops until World War I (HEAVY SARCASM HERE)
WHYTOUUU might want to check your history records.”
“In my military history studies, the American Civil War was identified as the first "Modern" war.”
“HPM...if you study it the War of Northern Aggression (LOL) was actually America's taste at what the Europeans would learn in World War I.
Trenches, automatic weapons, HUGE kill ratios.
But you are exactly correct.”
“Oh - here goes Histor(ychannel)ian at work again.
You're talking about mainly skirmishes in historically minor conflicts there.
The US marines have come into their own in the later years.”
“I just told a few of my coworkers the Marine jokes.
First, I made damn sure no Marines were around, only Navy "pukes". LOL”
“A hiking buddy of mine is a Marine (early 70's). He says that there is a legal distinction in international law which is one reason Marines get the dirty work. Since an Army of a government is land based, if they do some sort of dirty work it technically constitutes an invasion. If the Marines of a nation do it, it is considered a shore excursion. I'm sure there is much more legalese to it than that, but that's my two bit answer.”
“AND NOW THE MINOR SKIRMISHES OF THE Y2 WORLD (LOL)
The Battle of Bladensburg was a battle fought during the War of 1812. The defeat of the American forces there allowed the British to capture and burn Washington, D.C..
US casualties a paltry
over 100 captured
The Battle of New Orleans 1814
The miniscule Mexican American War
Total dead: 13,271
Spanish American War
3,289 U.S. dead (432 from combat); considerably higher although undetermined Cuban and Filipino casualties
(and this would be our first interaction with Islamic terrorists)
Granted there were HUNDREDS of small campaigns where the Marines were the only ones there to do something (Y2 this is before Airplanes so moving an army took a LONG time)
Y2...Halls of Montezuma refers to the Mexican Amerian War specifically the battle at Chapultapec, Mexico where the Marines lost 80 or 90% of their officers and NCO's (hence the red stripe on the Dress Blues for NCO's and above)...”
“I'm not saying they did nothing - but alot of the campaigns you talk about can be considered Naval actions.
Also lets compare the Spanish American War to the Crimiean war shall we. 1853-1856.
Britain 97,864 forces, 22,182 dead (4602)
France 309,269 forces 95,615 dead (20,240)
Ottoman Empire 165,000 foreces 45,400 dead (24,500)
Russia 888,000 forces, 450,051 dead (73,125)
Total 1,481,132 troops, 615,378 died, 118,895 in combat.
there's no comarison.”
“In as much as I like to read yall 'girl-slap' each other, lets not forget that five americans died this week.
Maybe we should stick to the game.”
“Chick Hall's Surf Club in Bladensburg, Maryland has been rockin' since 1955.
“Get well soon, Stove.
So I can puke all over ya.”
“Army = soldiers, Marines are marines (or jarheads), Navy = sailors (or squids), Coast Guard = Coast Guardsmen (or Coasties), Air Force = Airmen (or pussies).”
“I always tell Marine jokes to Marines. They appreciate them most of all.
At the Army Navy game last year I asked a Marine in our group of vets why they don't have their own football team.
His answer: "Because we're part of the Navy! Now do you feel good about making me say that?!?!"”
“I always thought Navy=Seamen....”
“Air Force = Airmen (or pussies).”
"Off we go, into the wild blue yonder [CRASH]"”
“Spirit Coyote: "I always thought Navy=Seamen"
Just like her to swallow something like that.”
“Y2, go check the numbers for Guadalcanal, Iwo, and Okinawa. I think it was Tarawa that had some pretty horrific percentages too.”
“I recall reading that what differentiated the Civil War as 'modern' was the artillery. It was just a taste of what was to occur in WWI.”
“Too bad there's not more of an aftertaste; we forget too soon:(”
“To be sure.”
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