7-7-07

“the white kind does. The green kind just makes people tasty.”

“Hey, stop insulting soy!”

“Sorry ---


Moratorium on New Soya Crops Wins Reprieve for Rainforest


Farming the Amazon: Last of the Amazon

Brazil Shuts Down Cargill's Amazon Port”

“With every solution comes new problems. Herd mentality causes catch phrases to become Battle Standards that can only be maintained with forward momentum. Any slackening of the pace to study the side effects of a solution means the herd will start spreading out and become difficult to get moving again.

Cars should be powered by corn oil (or whatever is the latest savior crop). Sounds good until you think about how much of that corn oil will be needed. How much land mass and resources that will take. How many people will starve so that we can use food in our car or to heat our house.

Nuclear power is the demon, yet in reality it uses orders of magnitude less resources than most other mass energy sources. but we can't research that because a few minor incidents have occurred.”

“tb - is that an insult? There was a thing going around a while back that snopes shot a hole through about the digestion of soy causing more female hormones and "making people gay." I had to throw it out to see what I caught.”

“I am more disturbed by the notion that tree will eat something she thinks is emotionally aware enough that they not only have feelings but can have those feelings hurt ;)”

“Do you really think that the motive for all this "call to action" on climate change is greed?

I know this was not addressed to me, but in reality, yes that is exactly what I think given the people involved on the top levels. That would be like thinking Halliburton did not exert pressure on and receive favors from Cheney. Please, my credulity will only stretch so far.”

“Why do people who repeat extractive industry talking points ever leave the comfort of their concrete and asphalt existence?

The activities of those who benefit from the dissemination of these half-truths directly conflict with the continuing health of the biosphere we supposedly enjoy when backpacking. It's an ongoing paradox.

Airline food, hiphop music, Republican backpackers.


I called someone on this activity on the magazine site some time ago and he replied that if he wasn't working "on the inside" that Republicans would be doing much more heinous things. I had no doubt that they were capable of much worse, but his excuse belied the fact that he never disagreed with anything polluters ever did --- he simply defended them, repeating their talking points at every turn.”

“"How many people will starve so that we can use food in our car or to heat our house."

That is bogus.
Soy or what ever for fuel oil can be grown on land that is now unused for food crops.
And vegetable oil diesel, for instance, is not THE solution.
It is only part of it as an alternative.
Also, as the demand for agricultural based fuels rises..............wait for it...........so will production.
That is something like supply and demand.

Reverend, now you too are out to lunch.
What's for lunch...........by the way?
last edited: 7/09/07 2:19:06 PM”

“How many people will starve so that we can use food in our car or to heat our house."

That is bogus.
Soy or what ever for fuel oil can be grown on land that is now unused for food crops.
And vegetable oil diesel, for instance, is not THE solution.
It is only part of it as an alternative.

Marko dude... check your sources. That warn't me.”

“I guess the question I have is if it is logical to use land for FOOD for fuel.

How bout we use something that already occupies 80% of the land fill....namely YARD WASTE. JEEZE its a crop and I am betting it can be made into a fuel.

Imagine being able to turn lawn trimmings and what not into fuel. MY Lord, City waste departments would become profit machines.”

““Do you really think that the motive for all this "call to action" on climate change is greed?

"I know this was not addressed to me, but in reality, yes that is exactly what I think given the people involved on the top levels. That would be like thinking Halliburton did not exert pressure on and receive favors from Cheney. Please, my credulity will only stretch so far."

I was talking about this one, Rev.

Compairing concern for climate change to Halliburton is a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h.”

“Doesn't mean you're still not out to lunch:)”

“Marko....
If I was a betting man I'd bet the mortgage that some of the same people are in the leadership places... so... it is not a stretch at all for me. Corporate sponsorship... follow the money.”

“"Imagine being able to turn lawn trimmings and what not into fuel. MY Lord, City waste departments would become profit machines."
XL

Whoa!!!

A good idea out of all the insane ranting!!

WOW!!

There are lots of alternatives and land for food does not have to be used for fuel.
There is lots of other land to grow fuel crops.”

“"Corporate sponsorship... follow the money."

YES!!”

“OH CRAP...I agree with MarkO...(lets see the term is "follow the money")

The problem with Corn or other food stuffs is that it takes food out of the system. I say find something we are NOT using and use it.”

“long term the use of corn or other vegetation does not take food out of the system.

it may do so on a short term basis, but the use of biofuels could, in the long run restore profitability to the agricutlure industries.”

“"concern for the environment is one thing. I would share that. In previous decades, while living in CT so that would have been the 80's, conservation of electricity became the battle cry. The electric ulities picked it up and bally-hooed it alng with various other groups. Conserve electricity was everywhere. The response was verr significant at least on a local level. Electricty usage dropped at a statistically significant rate. So what happened?

The electric utilities cried poor mouth cause their sales figures dropped and so their dividends dropped and they applied for a rate hike to offset the revenues loss of the conservation. Concern for the environment.... hardly.”

“Rev...how do you see a long term use of food producing property >...NOT reducing the food supply?

Corn prices in MEHICO are already going up.”

“Rev...how do you see a long term use of food producing property >...NOT reducing the food supply?

XL400236
4:10:14 PM
7/09/07

Whoa... obviously more property needs to be put into production. That's a no brainer. But that is also a long term process. The property to do that is easily and readily available. We have programs in PA where farmers get paid to let land lay fallow. So the availability of land is not the issue.”

“".....it may do so on a short term basis, but the use of biofuels could, in the long run restore profitability to the agricutlure industries."
Revvum

Rev, my friend, you are offically back from lunch!!

"Rev...how do you see a long term use of food producing property >...NOT reducing the food supply? "

Pressure on supply of soy, for instance, will/should cause an increase in production.

Forget the corn, it takes petroleum-based fertilizer to produce corn which takes nitrogen from soil.

Legume crops like soy and peanuts put nitrogen in soil, or so I'm told.
In my small state of Maryland(@10,000 square miles) there is a lot of unused family-owned farmland that could be put into production and keep the profits home and out of the hand of foreign petroleum producers, some of whom are problematic.
Goodness knows, their U.S. petro partners are screwing us too.....a partnership from hell...........they have us over a barrel.

Growing crops such as soy for fuel on un-used farmland can help ease pressure on land owners to sell to developers and help to combat urban sprawl, a serious threat to open space here in my little state.

Here in Maryland we are going to get an increase in pressure for housing as a recipient of military-related jobs due to Base Realignment And Closure(?).”

“NO S-t Marko? Wow did not Know that. HMM so what nutrients do legumes take from the soil...or will there be a need to rotate crops?”

“Rotate shmotate. What's the problem with rotating crops? So instead of rotating between three fields you rotate between five. Every farmer _I_ know has the smarts to do that.

Legumes are actually used to restore a nitrogen base to the soil. That's why they were grown so plentifully before the soy based food became a craze. They were used to replace nitrogen in the non-crop fields.

Marko... I like the idea of soy and bio-mass fuels better than corn anyway. So I am in agreement with you there. I also think more effort and research should go into the capture and use of methane based emmissions from our landfills and animal husbandry industries, including co-generation efforts in community projects.”

“See, a big ol' pissin' match breaks out and look who shows up in his swimming trunks to get dowsed!

It's a fetish I tell ya.”

“7/7/07 - not such a lucky day for my daughter. Broke her arm in 3 places!”

“Oh Man --- so sorry to hear that! I hope she's feeling better --”

“Diesel fuel from lard!!

Who's gonna be first?”

“I nominate XL's head.”

“Excellent!!!”

“LOL....Libbies when they can't win in the arena of ideas they go to wanting to kill you...



”

“Can we at least attempt to get back on track?

quiz for your carbon footprint
http://www.earthlab.com/carbonProfile/LiveEarth.htm?ver=10”

“Tilt, thanks and yes she is feeling better. Once we got her off of the Tylenol w/codine, which was making her sick to her stomach and listless. Now she has a cast on and is back to her old self with only regular ibuprofen as a pain killer.

Saw a surgeon yesterday, they thought they might have to operate but so far he doesn't see the need for it. We'll know for sure next week when we go back for a checkup.”

“I had a run-in with orthopedic surgeon back in 1968 and wound up encased in plaster for most of the Summer --- No Fun.

I quit playing Frisbee in the street, too.”

“my daughter broke her wrist when she was 6. She was out of action for 24 hrs then immediately scared the hell out of us jumping on the bed with her new dinosaur cast flailing everywhere.”

“Our kid regained her confidence with movement once she got her cast. Jumping around like a maniac, just like you describe.”

“She probably thinks she can drive nails with that cast --- look out! LOL”

“(grin)

I did jokingly suggest that she could karate-chop cinderblocks. I said that to her in front of the surgeon and he didn't like that idea.

His bedside presence was about as pleasant as a dead fish under the seat in 90-degree weather. He didn't crack a grin once no matter how hard I tried.”

“They're especially trained that way.”