Mutt's infallibility

“Hi all, long time no see!

Mutt, you said (rather confidently):

We certainly do have the power to transform the ME. A pro-U.S. democracy in Iraq will allow the U.S. to control oil prices, m/l. That, combined with the largest offensive force in the region will allow the U.S. to apply enough pressure on Saudi Arabia and Iran to cooperate on Al Qaeda. Stop the money and you stop the terrorists. Deny the terrorists geography, and they won't have a base of operations. Also, the possibility to engage in covert operations in Saudi Arabia and Iran (as well as other ME countries) will be greatly enhanced by having forces directly on their borders. And kicking Chinese influence out of the region is icing on the cake.”
Mutt
8:47:22 AM
2/21/03
linky

Today's news:

"In addition, we assess that its association with [al Qaeda in Iraq] helps al Qaeda to energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources and to recruit and indoctrinate operatives, including for homeland attacks," states the declassified summary of the National Intelligence Estimate

linky

Have nice day!”

“Phaedrus, you stinker!!

How's it goin', Poppa?”

“mutt's unable to be fellated?”

“Sure, Phaerus, let's break it down (stop, Hammertime!):

We certainly do have the power to transform the ME. - Mutt

Correct. We sure did transform it. For better or worse awaits to be seen

A pro-U.S. democracy in Iraq will allow the U.S. to control oil prices, m/l. - Mutt

Correct in theory. If Iraq democratizes or theocracizes awaits to be seen.

the largest offensive force in the region will allow the U.S. to apply enough pressure on Saudi Arabia and Iran to cooperate on Al Qaeda. - Mutt

Correct in SPADES! Like I said in another thread today, there was definitely cooperation and crackdown shortly following the invasion.

Deny the terrorists geography, and they won't have a base of operations. - Mutt

Correct, though Pakistan has proven to be the bugaboo as far as that goes.

also, the possibility to engage in covert operations in Saudi Arabia and Iran (as well as other ME countries) will be greatly enhanced by having forces directly on their borders. - Mutt

Correct! Undoubtedly this is happening. There's a reason we don't hear much about it.

And kicking Chinese influence out of the region is icing on the cake. - Mutt

Absolutely correct! Remember, before 9/11, the chicoms were busted and punished for trying to sell WMD precursor materials to Iran and Iraq.

Thank you for posting this, Phaedrus. It's always gratifying to look back and see the success of one's predictions.”

“tsk tsk tsk.”

“"In addition, we assess that its association with [al Qaeda in Iraq] helps al Qaeda to energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources and to recruit and indoctrinate operatives, including for homeland attacks," states the declassified summary of the National Intelligence Estimate

We already know that the jihadists in Iraq are NOT Al Qaeda Prime. It's interesting that they should include "homeland attacks" in that. What they don't say about it is more interesting - i.e. what kind of attacks? 9/11-scale?”

“Al Qaeda Prime

is that a higher grade than Al Qaeda Choice?”

“War On Iraq:

3,500 dead Americans and counting

Undisclosed hundreds of billions of dollars up in smoke.

Mutt never admitting he was wrong....

Priceless”

“MarkO - let's start by you showing me one thing I was wrong about.”

“A pro-U.S. democracy in Iraq will allow the U.S. to control oil prices, m/l. - Mutt

kinda leaving yourself a little wiggle room there, arent you, with the pro-US tag?

would you call what we created a "democracy"?

80% of the citizens of this democracy want us to leave so it doesn't look real pro-US”

“not all democracies are pro- US... Nicaragua Sandanistas are a prime example.”

“Pakistan is a pro-U.S. democracy and a great ally.

Ha ha ha ha!!!”

“That's what I thought - MarkO can't back up what he said.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Mark, you're the DUMBEST fuegonaut on TT.”

“Lumber...I am sorry...Nicaraguan Sandanista...a DEMOCRACY???WTF...I am sorry what um Government School book did you read that out of...Daniel OrTEGA was a Communist..pure and simple.”

“We already know that the jihadists in Iraq are NOT Al Qaeda Prime. It's interesting that they should include "homeland attacks" in that. What they don't say about it is more interesting - i.e. what kind of attacks? 9/11-scale?

I always find it remarkable that the ones who want to do nothing but blame America and Bush for the actions of the Islamist extremists never seem to take the Islamist's own words to heart. They are very straight forward in expressing their plans and wishes yet no one seems to even listen to them. We have moved way beyond AQ and have moved into more of a battle against an Islamist caliphate.

NAW! It's much more trendy and sexy to blame America.”

“Yes, and for people like Tilt and Violin, if the next terrorist attack is in 2185, it'll still be Bush's fault because he invaded Iraq.
last edited: 7/17/07 12:33:29 PM”

““Pakistan is a pro-U.S. democracy and a great ally.

Ha ha ha ha!!!”

That was sarcasm, Mutt.

Musharraf took over in a military coup and his country is a shaky ally sittin' on nuclear weapons.”

“HMM..so what should we do Marky Mark...take a break, get some herbal tea and you tell us WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

How bout this we just TELLEM TO GO TO HELL (LOL)...yeah so they will get even more pissed than they are at India.

Good Old Marky Mark.”

“You can take a flyin' leap for all I care, X.

I'm goin' home and have a couple of beers and play my guitar some before I decide what to make for dinner.”

“Kabobs on the grill sound good to me!”

“Marky Mark Definition: WHAAAA? YOU WANT ME TO GIVE A SOLUTION...no no no no....I would rather whine about the problems....(LOL)

The optimist sees the opportunity in every challenge
The Pessimist sees the challenge in every opportunity.”

“It's always gratifying to look back and see the success of one's predictions.”
Mutt
7:45:21 AM
7/17/07

Ah, the intellectual honesty is still gushing from your keyboard, I see.

It's been a hoot. Hi all! Bye all.”

“I do admit when I'm wrong. You just failed to offer anything up.

This didn't go exactly as planned, eh? LOL.”

“Let's see: summation of your answers to Phaedrus...

awaits to be seen

awaits to be seen

correct in theory

Saudi Arabia's short, nearly non-existent cooperation

Admission that Pakistan has been the "bugaboo", as you so eloquently put it

Determination that, if we don't hear about it, it must be true

WOW! You really nailed that down with some concrete sh_t, dude!!! Can't admit when you've been had???

Later, Goober!!!”

“Wow, Phaedrus. Because of your ineptness, Treebeard felt he had to come in and try to bail you out. Ouch.

Treebeard, I'm a realist - the ME is in flux. You're a leftist - you see it in black/white terms, ie set as a defeat and hopelessly worse off than before the Iraq war; an emtional mindset not based on fact. Not that I'm surprised, as anyone who gets their news from the evening newscasts would make that conclusion.

You apparently are *completely* ignorant of events in Saudi Arabia, if you're trying to deny that their crackdown after the invasion didn't ignite an insurgency.

And of course, by definition "covert" means you won't read about in the NYtimes, but there's been plenty of buzz about operatives in Iran, drones surveilling Syria and Iran, etc.

Thanks to you too, treebeard - failing to put forth anything I was wrong about has only strengthened my position. (and has revealed some gaps in your knowledge)
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“MUTT RIGHT AGAIN!!! LOL”

“So, the right is the best ally of the left when you let them keep on talkin'.But wait a minute, the left is also the best ally of the right, when.... seems neither has a stand to leg on.”

“LOL..I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER ....MUTT...if they take a second to read the BIAS thread they libbies will see we most likely are NOT getting accurate news out of the ME.

So.....they are baseing their libbie feelings on improper information....MUTT WINS AGAIN”

“As noted last night by the MRC's Brent Baker, "a Rasmussen Reports poll discovered that, by a margin of 2 to 1, the public recognize a liberal bias over a conservative bias on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR as well as in the New York Times and Washington Post."


Too true, XL!”

“XL do some research and spend a little less reading the goverments propaganda. The sandanistas setup free education, healthcare and open elections after they overthrew the monarchy. Because they were not pro-US We financed the contras who only attacked civilian targets and never once actually engaged the military. (Dont let me skip over the fact that the contras used the funds we gave them to buy crack which the CIA help them smuggle to the US.)

BTW the sandanistas were VOTED out of power in case you didnt know.”

“Whatever you say, Goob! But, if the best you can come up with for a cheering section is XL, then you need to do some housecleaning!”

“Unlike you, treebeard, I base my opinion on data and facts, not consensus.”

“The famous single fact;'The fact that no facts exist'.”

“you must be beaming. absolutely enthralled. pleased as punch to have noted intellectuals such as xlax and stovie support your limp weenie position”

“Plausible deniability............”

“And still nobody has put forth anything I've been wrong about.

**GUFFAW!**”

“BTW the sandanistas were VOTED out of power in case you didnt know.”


VERY GOOD BLUMBER...unfortuately the Ed Asner fallicy was WRONG...Lets go back to those heady days of the REAGAN war. Which by the way was the only "low impact" war we ever won. Lets look at the cute fallacies as put forth by the libbies (remember FortWORTHLESS JIM WRIGHT???)

1. Prior to the ELECTION (forced on D'anel OR-TEGA!) the libbies were crowing about a poll that showed the commies winning...then the election occurs..and HORROR he loses BIG TIME.

2. The Contras did not buy crack...it went through pineapple face (Noriega) in Panama to purchase Cocaine which was shipped.

3. The Sandanistas were SOCIALISTs saying they were democratic is like saying Saddam had democratic elections it is pure fraud.

I had a chance to study that incident indepth in the 1980's..the only reason the libbies opposed that action was they saw it as a way to cut Reagan's winning percentages with a recreation of WATERGATE (LOL)...they lost.”

“I had a chance to study that incident indepth in the 1980's..

were you supposed to be working then too?”

“Reagan's winning percentage??

http://www.americanmemorialsite.com/beirut.html”

“Wow XL... heres a bunch of disinformation for you...

[url]http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=18®ion_id=16[/url]


want more?”

“Um...lumber...we already determined that this is a site like "People for the American Way" or "Moveon.org"other sites....not gonna check it...nice neither have any intention of fulfilling their name.”

“"We have determined"????

Ha ha ha !!!”

“"we" - meaning people who prefer to wear blinders while claiming how biased US media is?”

““MUTT RIGHT AGAIN!!! LOL”
Mutt

Now who used that line in the past???”

“lol@gramps. Oryx was my favorite troll.”

“Thanks Phaedrus!   Feed the trolls then haul ass!   LOL”

“I am thinking this is one of the major reasons for our demise in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070718/sc_livescience/studyamericansdontunderstandothers;_ylt=Ao46KMstvVEpyXfk6bNayvnMWM0F”

“Ban Phaedrus!!”

“ban banning and all banishments”

“Ain't he a stinker?”