Mutt's infallibility

“Too Many Cowboy Movies!!


But Seriously, Folks....

I've figured out.  He's actually posting from The Vatican.  The infallibility.... the stint in the Hitler Youth.... It all fits.”

“By Jove!!”

“Looking back at the thread with Mutt's prognostications - I'm interested to see Ice Tea's opening post. I think he nailed something important in his question. It seemed like the Bush team had decided to invade Iraq and then worked on the justifications. There was a lack of clear ends and while the ends don't justify the means, they organize them.

The debate about whether it was in our interests to invade Iraq will be difficult to settle because the invasion was planned so poorly. Having our war and demolishing the Iraqi army was easy enough - but what do we do with it when we have it?

Two things struck me about Mutt's prognostications then. One: I thought he was being more realistic about the Bush team's hopes for the war than most of the people who supported the war. It was refreshing compared to the imminent risk from Saddam's WMDs line and the "they attack us because they hate our freedoms, even though we are innocently minding our own business, but now we have to put our foot down" line. I also thought her was being way too optimistic. I also had moral issues about the justifications for the use of war as a tool.

Mutt's optimism is somewhat more apparent in this followup, than in the initial text Phaedrus cites:

yet you somehow have this vast political insight bordering on prognostication that leaves you infallible

Gee, is that the way you see me? I'm flattered!

A pro-US democracy in Iraq? Okay, and this will happen when?

Immediately. The U.S. will be in complete control of the formation of the successor government from the start.

We will have what type of guarantee that the next government of Iraq is not another dictatorship

No guarantee it will stay a democracy after the international community leaves. But of course a democracy will be attempted. No one has suggested the U.S. should prop up a dictator in Iraq after the war.

Uh, so we'll have this platform from which to wipe out terrorism in like, 10 years?

no, immediately, upon victory - see above.

Assuming of course that Iraq's Kurds don't demand their own political borders, that is

Turkey is keen on seeing this doesn't happen. The Kurds are screwed, and the U.S. won't have much to worry about from them.

The berating of everything as uninformed is getting old

Not everything. Just the same old canned crap that had no validity to begin with, c.f. stratdewd. Yeah, it's getting old to refute your argument, just to have you bring it up again like it had never been challenged.”
Mutt
10:19:25 AM
2/21/03
last edited: 7/18/07 9:31:01 AM”

“This has to be some kind of TT record for a personal attack post.

You should be honored, Mutt.”

“And humiliated by your complete lack of vision...”

“was blind, but still cain't see......”

“The debate about whether it was in our interests to invade Iraq will be difficult to settle because the invasion was planned so poorly. - pedXing

See, PedXing has a more realistic outlook on the situation than most if not all of the rest of the anti-Bush crowd.

I agree that the aftermath was poorly planned and executed, and that Bush royally screwed up. Notice I've never said differently, and in fact am on record saying just that.

However, I'm not letting blind emotion and pathological hatred of Bush distort my perception of what the actual situation is over there.

Immediately. The U.S. will be in complete control of the formation of the successor government from the start.

No guarantee it will stay a democracy after the international community leaves. But of course a democracy will be attempted. No one has suggested the U.S. should prop up a dictator in Iraq after the war. - Mutt

That's basically what's happened. The Iraqi government hasn't had much power to exert authority, obviously.

Bringing up my old quotes seems to only show I'm right! And obviously it's burning up the shrill anti-Bush crowd.”

“This has to be some kind of TT record for a personal attack post.

You should be honored, Mutt. - stovestomper

It's more like vindication. This is the sweetest type of victory - turning what the opposition thought was a devastating blow around back in their face to make them look the fools.”

“yeah...but they haven't accused you of being Sarge yet...so you got that one to go (LOL).....”

“Doesnt look like anyone is in control of Iraq at the moment Mutt.”

“A shotgun with bird shot is the best firearm for home protection. At close range an ounce of lead is an ounce of lead and you won't kill your neighbors. - bacpac

Jesus what an ignorant dumba$$.Mutt
3:05:40 PM

Ignorant dumba$$.”
Mutt
3:10:27 PM

Looks like people are agreeing with me, hikerscum.

F*cking racist.”
Mutt
3:15:10 PM

F*ck you racist.”
Mutt
3:16:55 PM
You're dumber than bacpac, and that's saying something!”
Mutt
3:20:24 PM
I'd be highly surprised if Bacpac reared his ugly head in this thread again. I don't think he has the integrity to admit he's wrong. If he still tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about, I have a lot more sources confirming that birdshot isn't good for self defense. So he's screwed no matter what.

I bet he thinks you don't even have to aim a shotgun because the shot expands so much you can't miss. What a bafoon.”
Mutt
9:09:04 PM
Edit: I wasn't going to link to Ol' Painless's box of truth, because he's a fundamentalist christian schmuck.
last edited: 7/07/07 4:39:55 PM”
Mutt
4:36:58 PM
What a dishonerable little turd.

Oh and *I'm* colonel. Vote from the rooftops!”
Mutt
8:21:47 AM
Freud describes tilt perfectly
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Freud”
Mutt
11:22:35 AM
That's why I suggested pepper spray, dumbass. Mutt
9:16:01 AM
Like I said, try to keep up, DUMBASS!

Nice self-ownage.”
Mutt
9:19:00 AM
Don't *ever* go west of the Mississippi, mapleleaf. You're likely to get shot by all the normal people carrying guns. LOLOLOLOL, as stovey would say.
last edited: 7/11/07 8:21:11 AM”
Mutt
8:17:29 AM
Do you think Mapleleaf is special or something, treebeard? I'd "talk down" to anyone with such a ridiculous, emotionally based mindset. Mutt
8:53:52 AM
Hey now, Mark shoveled sh*t in the national guard decades ago. That makes him an expert.”
Mutt
9:13:48 AM
It just goes to show the staggering ignorance of people like phantomSoul.”
Mutt
Not so fast, stoner - people expressing fear of armed people running amok has been a common theme in this thread.”
Mutt
10:10:33 AM
2:01:43 PM


When you reach intellectual maturity, then you can talk with the adults.”
Mutt
1:30:03 PM

Just a few examples of name-calling, condescension and other wonderful human qualities. The only comfort I have in knowing you're walking around armed is the fact that you're in Missouri!


Well, he's just an excitable boy...”

“How is this thread different that the personal attacks on Bobo?
last edited: 7/24/07 7:15:21 AM”

“WOW..Tree and we all Thank GOD you never get negative huh?

(LOL)

WHEN YOU HAVE LIBBIES LIBBIES LIBBIES
AT THE TABLE TABLE TABLE
THEY WILL CHANGE THE RULES TO SUIT THEM
AS THEY ARE ABLE ABLE ABLE”

“Yeah. It's a personal attack all right, but it sounds like Muttsie's the one doing the attacking.”

“I can be an abrasive ass, treebeard, so what?”

“By the way, thanks for bumping this. It gives Phaedrus more time to stew on his failure. LOL”

“I can be an abrasive ass, treebeard, so what?”
Mutt
8:19:39 AM

Glad to see we're on the same page here and you acknowledge being one of the "masses."

Exhibit 'A':

“I swear to God this site has way more than its fair share of emotionally stunted fools. It's a phenomenon.”
Mutt
6:16:28 AM

XL, don't you have some better place to be, perhaps logged in at www.fillemfullalead.com?”

“UM..no I don't fillemfulloflead....I like to wound them enough to where they get the sense of bleeding out before we get EMS on the scene.....”

“Sorry, one isn't connected with the other. I'm emotionally competent. I'm not the one using the "ignore this user" button or whining about trolls or asking for censorship or anything like that.”

“Lame answer! You're on the losing end of this one, dude! But your ego is larger than one of your assault weapons, big man!

I'm done here. Over and out, smart-ass!”

“Mutt, I've failed insofar as you're unable to see what others do.”

“LOL...treebred goo comeback...now are you going to hold your breath until you turn blue...and then BOY will Mutt be sorry...

Better yet, call your mommy to call his mommy and boy will he be sorry”

“hey no messing with trees mommy AKA Nana. she can and will kick everyones a s s on this board!

right crash and marko?”

“You people will never learn. Democrat vs Republican, conservative vs libbie, right vs left... it don't matter as long as we can keep the ignorati fighting for the scraps under the table.

Mutt and the rest of the neo-con Likudniks are achieving the exact Middle East goals they set when they conned our man-boy president into waging the Iraqi war in the first place. The neo-con architects of our troubles don't want democracy in the Middle East. They want utter chaos. They want the Arabs fighting the Persians, the Sunnis fighting the Shia, the Hamas fighting the Abbas faction, the Turks fighting the Kurds, Hezbollah fighting the Lebanese Christians, the right wing American ignorati fighting the left wing American ignorati etc etc, ad nauseum. They want anything that furthers the Israeli goal of hegemony in the Middle East. And if they can get the USA to expend American blood and treasure to take the Iranians out and secure a little oil for them too, all the better.

The sooner you people study the documentation, the people involved, where Congress gets the majority of their re-election money, the past history of our "ally" Israel, and the true nature of the racist, apartheid nature of the "only democracy in the Middle East, the sooner you can come out of the stupor you all seem to be in.

Now lets see if the new corporate owners of this place ban me. Who cares, this place is hopeless.
last edited: 7/24/07 8:52:08 AM”

“Pat Buchanan eats only Kosher wieners.”

“Pheadrus I thought you were banned from this place? If we were at the other site I'd flag your post you faggot!:)!”

“ding ding ding we have a moron winner,.”

“Lame answer! You're on the losing end of this one, dude! - treebeard

Um, no, actually that would be you trying to say I'm emotionally immature based on a total non-sequitur.”

“Testy testy!

You can flag my post by clicking the little "x" at the upper right of your browser window.”

“are you going to stick out your tongue now Mutt?”

“Mutt, I've failed insofar as you're unable to see what others do. - Phaedrus

No, you weakly tried to prove that I was totally wrong, I defended my position with logic and facts, and you had no rebuttal to that. I call that a complete and total failure on your part to make your case. *guffaw*”

“Actually, mapleleaf, I think that's about right.”

“They want anything that furthers the Israeli goal of hegemony in the Middle East. - SH

That's where I stopped reading. Such anti-semitism in this day and age is appalling. And you should really leave the conspiracy theories to dummies like MarkO. He's got you beat with experience.”

“Anti-semitism has always been a part of the Far Left.

Still, no one has answered my question.”

“Phaedrus - and all you other anti-Bush clones - you need to watch Gen George S Patton's new speech on the war on terror.”

“Oh my goodness! He's thinks he's going to scare me off by calling me an anti-semite. Won't work Mutt. Don't ya know everyone that doesn't tow the AIPAC line is an anti-semite these days? There are millions of us and growing every day! Better make aliyah right now before it's too late.
last edited: 7/24/07 10:59:01 AM”

“Anti-semitism has always been a part of the Far Left.

Still, no one has answered my question.”
StoveStomper
10:40:30 AM

Let's see, I'm extremely far left, according to you geniuses on here. So, does that make me an anti-semitic jew, Brain Stomper?”

“He's thinks he's going to scare me off by calling me an anti-semite. - solitary Hiker

No, I'm dismissing you as a conspiracy theory fruitcake.”

“Hey Come on...tree...we are not calling you Anti Semitic....most Germans were not Anti Semitic (hence hundreds who went to concentration camps for trying to protect jews during that time).

The problem is that the leadership is "indirectly" ....a sort of NON confrontational Anti Semitisim.

Now who is required to give up land to make the Palestinians (by the way the original Palestinians were the Jews in the Holy Land) by design I think 10% of Palestine is in Present Day Isreal something like 90% is in....Jordan. (Check out the Mandate for Palestine from 1923


img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/BritishMandatePalestine1920.png[/img]

But then we notice in history that the Isrealis have had since DAY one to face the fact that ALL of the opposition (Palestinian etc) have the destruction of Isreal as part of their charter.

So the question is...we pull out of Iraq and a "theocracy" is created (instead of a Democracy that scares the heck out of the surrounding dicatorships). I am thinking Isreal will become TARGET ONE (in the Islamo Fascist plans). And, of course the only time we will feel intervention is necessary is if the Isrealis are kicking the opposition's ass.

Here is another idea, we pull out. We tell the WHOLE ISLAMIC world a new version of the Cuban Missile Statement. In essence any attack upon Isreal will be considered a declaration of war on the United States. And we will respond with "ALL" the weapons in our arsenal.”

“what the h e l l did XL just say”

“LOL...Mapes... it is the stated intention of the libbies (watch what Slick and company did during their terms) to pull our influence OUT of the Mid East so as to force Isreal to place themselves in a more and more undefendable position. Kinda the Kitty Genovese addition to the Final Solution.”

“Well, it makes perfect sense to pull out of the Middle East. We have no protection.”

“slick...pullout


WTF?”

“yeah Mapes...the present Undocumented Lobbyist for Dubai?

Or there is this that explains alot more

http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=337279”

“3635”

“Now who is required to give up land to make the Palestinians (by the way the original Palestinians were the Jews in the Holy Land)


Remember your Old Testament? And then "God" gave the land to the Israelites. And then Nebucanezar(sp?) from Babylon took the Israelites into captivity in roughly 600 BC. because of the so-called wickedness of the Israelites. And then some Babylonian semitic peoples migrated back into the area around Jerusalem. But they were under the rule of the descendants of Alexander's generals as in the Hellenized Herod who in turn was a vassal lord of the Romans. And then the Romans put Jerusalem to the torch in 70AD and 100AD and finally ran the pesty Jews out of the country (Palestine) for good. And then Islam took over in about 700AD. And then the Christians took it in about 1000AD and held it for roughly 100 years. And then the Muslims took it again and kept it through WWI and the end of the Ottoman Empire. Then the British and French (who tricked the Americans and that idiot Woodrow Wilson into entering a war we should have never been involved in but that's a whole nother story) divided up the whole Middle East to squeeze all the natural resources out of it. Then after WWII the British got so sick of trying to deal with Jewish terrorism (ie. the Stern Gang and the Irgun and a few other seedy zionist groups) they gave up, washed their hands of it, and turned it over to the UN to deal with. And the UN drew up plans to partition Palestine but the zionists didn't like the portion they were alloted so they declared independence and started murdering (Deir Yassim etc) all the rightful owners of the land and expelling them. Hence the real owners are living in Palestinian refugee camps. And the zionist continue to do it to this very day. Sixty years of murdering apartheid. Learn the real history of Palestine XL.
last edited: 7/24/07 12:25:09 PM”

“On his tired soapbox again. I thought it would be fun to go through his latest "de-classified" info about Iraq and the lame connection he tries to continue to make btwn Iraq/Al-Qaeda and 9-11.

Bush cited intelligence reporting that:

_Al-Qaida in Iraq was founded not by an Iraqi, but by Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who had deep relations with al-Qaida leaders. The president said Zarqawi, who was killed by U.S. forces last year, set up operations with terrorist associates in Iraq long before U.S.-led forces arrived, and that in the violence and instability following Saddam Hussein's fall, was able to expand the "size, scope and lethality" of his operation. Zarqawi formally joined al-Qaida in 2004 and pledged allegiance to bin Laden, he said.

OK so Bush is saying that U.S. intervention caused an increase in Al Qaida's ability to operate in Iraq. Absolutely. Why is he saying this?

_The merger of bin Laden and Zarqawi in Iraq fostered "prestige among potential recruits and financiers." Intelligence says the merger also gave al-Qaida senior leadership "a foothold in Iraq to extend it's geographic presence and to plot external operations and to tout the centrality of the jihad in Iraq to solicit direct monetary support elsewhere."

See first response. U.S. action, destablilization of the country, gave rise to Al Quaida and the funding mechanisms that allow them to operate. Great.

_Zarqawi was replaced by another foreigner, an Egyptian named Abu Ayub al-Masri, who has deep and long-standing ties with al-Qaida senior leadership. The president said that before Sept. 11, 2001, al-Masri spent time with al-Qaida in Afghanistan where he taught classes indoctrinating others in al-Qaida's radical ideology.

Ibid.

_Many of al-Qaida in Iraq's senior leaders are foreign terrorists. They include: a Syrian, who is al-Qaida in Iraq's emir in Baghdad; a Saudi who is al-Qaida in Iraq's top spiritual and legal adviser; an Eqyptian who fought in Afghanistan in the 1990s and has met with bin Laden; and a Tunisian, who is suspected of playing a key role in managing foreign fighters.

Right. So they are now pouring into Iraq.

_Most of al-Qaida in Iraq's rank-and-file fighters and some of its leadership are Iraqi, but al-Qaida in Iraq is led largely by foreign terrorists loyal to bin Laden. "Our intelligence community concludes that `al-Qaida and its regional node in Iraq are united in their overarching strategy' and they say they that al-Qaida's senior leaders and their operatives in Iraq `see al-Qaida in Iraq as part of al-Qaida's decentralized chain of command, not as a separate group.'"

Ah yes. Back to bin Laden? Any updates for us there, other than the obvious; you have no freakin' idea where he is.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070724/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;_ylt=AlsHWzlTaBONSHOsJ5RlYvrMWM0F”

“Bush just has to pull his rotting carcass out of the grave everytime Cheney hands him another Constitution shredding executive order to sign.

Now if you so-called conservatives really want to be scared just think of what Hillary is going to do with the executive power toolbox George Bush is building.”

“So the original Palestinians were represented by Yasser Arafat (a ...wait Egyptian)

Solitary your typical crap is straight out of the Palestinian handbook...its crap okay...

Remember much of what is ISREAL was Bought (MONEY$$$) as you buy property. It was a swamp and the Isrealis Drained it and made it farmland.

This is like you selling property to someone then seeing a Hotel going up on it and wanting it BACK.”

“Learn the real history of Palestine XL. - SH

Yeah, uh, any *real* history would've mentioned Jordan. What an intellectual fraud.

There's no point in trying to reason with hate.”