You got me, Sarge, I was Peeking

“I'm warning you. This will go beyond trailtalk if you don't stop lying about me on trailtalk.
From: Sarge
To: Crash! Bang!
Date: 07/25/2007 08:39PM


To you it's a joke. All it takes is one of us to not think it's funny.

Don't push me.

I've let you alone. It was YOU who emailed me, yet you lie to trailtalk knowing I can't post on there and tell the truth.

Don't talk about me anymore or I promise you, you will regret it.

This is not a joke. This is real life. Some people that read that site know me and I won't let you libel me to them.

Don't continue the mistake. Take this however you want , but I strongly suggest you take it seriously.




Fine. You've made your bed. You will pay. How's everybody back home, btw?
From: Sarge
To: Crash! Bang!
Date: 07/25/2007 09:12PM


Bad move



im sure hes joking, but its a sick fvcking joke. my opinion of this guy is at an all time low
last edited: 7/25/07 7:24:49 PM”

“when was it banned?”

“it stopped posting right before christmas. best fake-deitymas present ever”

“seriously. you gotta stoop so low as to make threats against my family just to prove i was peeking?

you got me. im a peeker

and youre a despicable person”

“I don't get the peeking? WEhere was it that you were peeking at it? did it email you or is that from some forum?”

“latta outdoors. he was sending me whiny private messages. so i told him that i was just going to delete anymore he sent me, without reading them

it amused me to mildly poke at him on tt, and it amused him to keep sending me private messages escalating in anger. i thought it would be entertaining to look anyways, and not reply. when he started making threats is when i had to say something”

“it is kind of skeery.”

“in all fairness, s-rge, ive been a dick to you, and others, several times.

but all ive said pales in comparison to what youve done today. you are a low-life human being. yea, youre laughing, getting a kick out of this

you know im thousands of miles away from home. you think its cool to threaten a persons family. you were hoping that i would actually believe you. you are slime.”

“anyone know what the protocol is for dealing with internet terrorists? who do i contact?”

“FBI. The threat has to be credible.”

“define "credible"”

“Jeeze Crash...what did you say to piss him off? or was in on another site. ?

I have never known him to do this. Are you sure its HIM or someone playing as him?

Well I can't think of anything on these threads that is worth getting that hacked over, if you can't figure out its grabassing around...then, well you have issues that would better be addressed on another site.”

“oh, its him. his style is unmistakable

even if it wasnt him, WHOEVER is doing it is a despicable person, and all the more despicable for trying to frame someone”

“Oh I agree....to threaten anyone for (and I am still wondering what) something typed on the internet...jeeze kinda a small mind. I guess from what I know of Sarge that was beneath him.”

“not really. i dont remember who, but im not the first hes threatend. maybe im the first that hes threatend the family instead of the offender, however”

“"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying#_note-fedcrime”

“thank you, fiddlesticks”

“Be sure to post photos of his "perp walk" here.”

“what was that?”

“Itty bitty problem....Crash is in Korea....may be a bit of a problem of jurisdiction. But then you knew that violin.

Additionally as much as I wish I could agree...I see no stated threat. In legal parlance I can't see even a small government wasting hours on it.

Now you could send it to the administrator of the service the person uses...get them to shut the individual down. I just wonder what you would have said? Jeeze Crash you have said some pretty tough stuff to me...but I sent you care packages in Korea....(I guess I will drop another load and send some bagels if it gets bad.)

I am pretty sure everything you are saying is in jest and I take it that way.”

“....may be a bit of a problem of jurisdiction

maybe. but the threat is originating in the u.s. so maybe not

...I see no stated threat. In legal parlance I can't see even a small government wasting hours on it.

im sure youre right. he was very careful to hint at violence, not actually state it. legally, hes protected. morally, an implied threat is still a threat

Now you could send it to the administrator of the service the person uses

already done that. its latta outdoors. matts other site. how poetic is that?”

“I'm no lawyer, but he threatened your family in the US... right?”

“exactly. the threat originated in the u.s. and was against my family in the u.s.

the more i think about it, the more im sure jurisdiction has nothing to do with it”

“Crash. I hate to be the one to say this...but what is the threat. Not dismissing the accusation but if you showed this to one of my friends at the Bureau he would want to know. 1. WHAT is the threat? And 2. What is the previous history that shows he could do this?

I see no history, its like someone saying "I will kick your ass" yeah technically that is a terroristic threat..but courts see it a tad differently.

This may be a case of " I heard what you said, but did I say what you heard."

Finally Crash, the information you printed here are technically heresay (vile I am certain you knew that right?)(LOL). Since it was not the original statement (with headers and reference points) such printing is not admissible in court. It is your recreation of what HE said.

What HE could well do is print what you said about him. In this case whatever he claims Libeled him and then it becomes a pissing contest. NOPE the FBI is not going to waste time on it. I am pretty sure most police departments are going to refer you to the Secret Service for help. (LOL old joke that unfortunatly NO one here will get).”

“Peking??

WTF, I thought you were in Seoul.”

“No behaviour is beneath Sarge. He slandered me on this website and when I called him on it, he never retracted his statement.”

“i kept the original messages. i realize they dont amount to much, as they were veiled threats and not literal ones. i know they hold as much weight as a sheet of paper in a court of law

i just thought it needed to be publicly known what a piece of slime this guy is”

“Does Sarge know who you are personally? And where your family lives, etc.”

“oh poor little sarge. got his panties in a wad. dumbass!”

“he knows my real name and figured out where i live (this was ages ago, christmas 05, i believe). when i asked him how he figured out where i lived, he refused to tell me. then he sent me a christmas present (a couple of christian books. i believe im going to burn them when i get back to the states)”

“I say you have Bearmagnet talk to him and finish pushing him over the edge.”

“i gotta tell ya, getting those books, with him knowing my address, refusing to tell me how he got my address, and still sending them after i told him not to send them to me unless he told me how he got my address, that was really creepy

the guy is despicable”

“I say you have Bearmagnet talk to him and finish pushing him over the edge.

ummm no. because im starting to believe that this guy is much more seriously unbalanced than i had previously suspected. can we at least get him mad at you so he threatens your family when we push him over the edge?”

“say you have Bearmagnet talk to him and finish pushing him over the edge.”
Nigal
7:07:18 AM
7/26/07
LMAO BM is evil


crash, i would not worry. if he was going to do anything he prob would have done it already”

“with a name all things are possible..he had name, state, prolly TOWN..there are pay site that will give you all you need to know..then again fer free all ya gotta do is a DEEP WEB search...

when you search the internet you only get about 10% of what's out there connected to the web.”

“if he was going to do anything he prob would have done it already

exactly. ive been name-dropping him for months now. the only reason he hasnt been pulling this shyt is because he hasnt had a means of communication with me: got himself banned from tt, i blocked his emails. then he found a new way to fck with me thru latta outdoors. i showed matt the messages, and matt said he took care of it. the messages have stopped”

“Then I suppose it would innerve me a little, too.”

“It's not like people don't know about him as well. Give his employer a call. I'm sure they'd be interested to know one of their employees is making threats from work using government paid for computers.”

“who does he work for?”

“Just put out the call for anyone who knows and they may send it to ya. I was told who he works for by someone else who does have the info. I ain't saying on here.”

“That's one sick mofo.........a stalker.”

“nigal, youre probably already flirting with being on his shytlist for saying as much as you have. best you (for your sake) didnt divulge that info”

“Oh Sarge doesn't even have a way of contacting me. He's blocked on my e mail and I wouldn't even open it if he could. As I said, I don't have the actual info, I just know who does.”

“poor guy. banned from tt. blocked from emailing. matt probably threatend him with a second banishment if he didnt stop bothering me. i'll probably be getting telegraph messages soon, and messages in a bottle floating over the pacific (for marko-dorko)

crash stop stop talking about me stop i will kill your family stop
last edited: 7/26/07 6:43:17 AM”

“Uh, Crash...................wouldn't that be the Pacific??

Silly libby...”

“sarge = ghost of gortex”

“It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

Broken glass everywhere
People pissin' on the stairs, you know they just don't care
I can't take the smell, can't take the noise
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat
I tried to get away but I couldn't get far
'cuz a man with a tow truck repossessed my car

Don't push me 'cuz I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
Uh huh ha ha ha
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

Standin' on the front stoop hangin' out the window
Watchin' all the cars go by, roarin' as the breezes blow
Crazy lady, livin' in a bag
Eatin' outta garbage pails, used to be a fag hag
Said she'll dance the tango, skip the light fandango
A Zircon princess seemed to lost her senses
Down at the peep show watchin' all the creeps
So she can tell her stories to the girls back home
She went to the city and got social security
She had to get a pimp, she couldn't make it on her own

Don't push me 'cuz I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
Uh huh ha ha ha

It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

My brother's doin' bad, stole my mother's TV
Says she watches too much, it's just not healthy
"All My Children" in the daytime, "Dallas" at night
Can't even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight
The bill collectors, they ring my phone
and scare my wife when I'm not home
Got a bum education, double-digit inflation
Can't take the train to the job, there's a strike at the station
Neon King Kong standin' on my back
Can't stop to turn around, broke my sacroiliac
A mid-range migraine, cancered membrane
Sometimes I think I'm goin' insane
I swear I might hijack a plane!

Don't push me 'cuz I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

My son said, Daddy, I don't wanna go to school
'cuz the teacher's a jerk, he must think I'm a fool
And all the kids smoke reefer, I think it'd be cheaper
if I just got a job, learned to be a street sweeper
Or dance to the beat, shuffle my feet
Wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps
'cuz it's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny
You got to have a con in this land of milk and honey
They pushed that girl in front of the train
Took her to the doctor, sewed her arm on again
Stabbed that man right in his heart
Gave him a transplant for a brand new start
I can't walk through the park 'cuz it's crazy after dark
Keep my hand on my gun 'cuz they got me on the run
I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jaw
Hear them say "You want some more?"
Livin' on a see-saw

Don't push me 'cuz I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
Say what?

It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under

A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smilin' on you but he's frownin' too
Because only God knows what you'll go through
You'll grow in the ghetto livin' second-rate
And your eyes will sing a song called deep hate
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alleyway
You'll admire all the number-book takers
Thugs, pimps and pushers and the big money-makers
Drivin' big cars, spendin' twenties and tens
And you'll wanna grow up to be just like them, huh
Smugglers, scramblers, burglars, gamblers
Pickpocket peddlers, even panhandlers
You say I'm cool, huh, I'm no fool
But then you wind up droppin' outta high school
Now you're unemployed, all non-void
Walkin' round like you're Pretty Boy Floyd
Turned stick-up kid, but look what you done did
Got sent up for a eight-year bid
Now your manhood is took and you're a Maytag
Spend the next two years as a undercover fag
Bein' used and abused to serve like hell
'til one day, you was found hung dead in the cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young so...

Don't push me 'cuz I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
Uh huh huh huh huh

It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
Huh, uh huh huh huh huh
It's like a jungle sometimes
It makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under
Huh, uh huh huh huh huh”

“See? They miss you so much.”

“stovestomper approves of violence against my mother”

“Do not destroy the books --- !

Maybe the friendly fuzz can lift some prints.  Or... if there are no prints besides yours, evidence of evasion can be evidence in itself.

Did you save the packaging?  Was there anything hand-written?

(rhetorical questions -- just for you to think about)

I'm sure Matt has his IP logged.... And those messages are still on the server.”