Axis of Idiots

“That, and Kleenton's wang-dang-doodle.”

“The difference is that Sass never participates in TT lynchings while others do

This is 100% false. She not only participates, but on more than 1 occassion, initiates. Sorry, but you must not have seen those instances.”

“Hyway, Vile did say he didn't like the term and got on treebread's a$$ about it.
I 'll have to review the thread, maybe bring it back up to the top. ;-)”

“Super!”

“sass has boobs so i agree with everything she says”

“Tisk, tisk, how shallow.....

I prefer shapely legs and behind. ;-)”

“Hway I disagree with you about the history of left and right on TT, but I admire your attempt to separate the issue of civility and noxiousness from left and right and from personal loyalty.

I like a lot of the people on both sides of the political fence and both sides of the personality brawls, some I've met - but most I haven't. The name calling (including this thread title) is ugly and I often overcome the temptation to join in fuego threads because I don't want to bet caught up in the ugliness and I am reluctant to take the side of folks who are calling their opponents "faggots" or "morons." I don't see any point in arguing about who started it, it was going on before I became a regular and anyone who I could name - on either side of the political discussion - could point to provocations on the other side that justified their behavior.

The things that bother me most are when 1) I get suckered in to a sh-t fest because its my fault, and 2)when people I like (and agree on the issue being discussed) get into name calling. So, to Buddha: I'm looking forward to the day I get to backpack with you, but please cut back on the provocative name calling blasts it "uglifies" the atmosphere on TT and backfires. MarkO, you're one of the nicest people I've ever met. You've been an awesome person to hike with and I think you are one fantastic Dad and a great family Man. These qualities would show through more on TT if you reacted with less vitriol and dropped some of the nastier language. Also, please don't use ugly derogatory terms for sexual orientation to heap scorn on people that piss you off.

A admit, I am much amused by the skillful putdown - even when directed at me - and yeah there is a thin line between that and bombastic nastiness. Like football, the line between legitimate hard hits and unwarranted nastiness is unlcear on TT, but there is a point when its obvious we've moved past the gray areas.”

“The name calling (including this thread title) is ugly and I often overcome the temptation to join in fuego threads because I don't want to bet caught up in the ugliness and I am reluctant to take the side of folks who are calling their opponents "faggots" or "morons."

The things that bother me most are when 1) I get suckered in to a sh-t fest because its my fault, and 2)when people I like (and agree on the issue being discussed) get into name calling. So, to Buddha: I'm looking forward to the day I get to backpack with you, but please cut back on the provocative name calling blasts it "uglifies" the atmosphere on TT and backfires. MarkO, you're one of the nicest people I've ever met. You've been an awesome person to hike with and I think you are one fantastic Dad and a great family Man. These qualities would show through more on TT if you reacted with less vitriol and dropped some of the nastier language. Also, please don't use ugly derogatory terms for sexual orientation to heap scorn on people that piss you off.

LAST YEAR -

I do think its a mistake to go into personalities and causes of problems while asking for civility. It runs the risk of inviting attacks or creating defensiveness - no two people are going to draw the same line.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/43468,-1.php”

“And the Anarchist candidate for 2008 is...........??”

“Sarge. First, I'm hoping I didn't make a mistake here. I really posted what I did to support what I saw as an honest and constructive attempt by Hyway. Of course, it is impossible to call for civility without implying that there has been incivility and that can be controversial. I hoped that my not criticizing those who have been my opponents at times, I would avoid some of the pitfalls. Instead, I pointed to things involving myself, my friends and allies in recent years.

In retrospect, it might have been better if I'd sent you a more detailed and personal email after your call for civility - because, believe it or not, I was trying to point out how undermined your own efforts to make and offer peace.

I think your call for civility thread and even the faked death were among a number of attempts you have made to get out of frustrating cycles of animosity. At the same time you make these attempts you undermine them. The faked death attempt was undermined by the dishonesty involved.

The call for civility thread began with some real attempts to make peace and take responsibility, but you also tried to get out your versions of the history of the conflicts and made it all about your conflicts with other people. Then you asked for it to "end here." But the history you gave almost begged for rebuttal. It seemed like self-justification and finger pointing slipped in.

Here are a few instances of what I mean:

"But on this website there were a few people who just didn't understand that. I though at the time I could do something about it by doing it right back to them. I even warned them, if you do it to me, I'll do it right back to you, often even more forcefully, that way you can see what it's like."

Here, you are saying "you started it not me" and "I even gave you fair warning." This isn't how you bury hatchet, its the start of a whole new argument.

Some people didn't understand why I was doing it. Some people did. Some people forgot. Some people decided to use that as fuel for the flames. Regardless, it was my fault. I was wrong to do that.

Again, you take responsibility after talking about ways in which other people messed up and caused your well intended intervention to go awry (due to ignorance, forgetfulness and desire to flame).

Last year around the beginning of November I decided to stop it - cold turkey, and I did. Naturally the flaming continued from many people. I expected that to just die off at some time as people got tired of it. Unfortunately, and to my surprise, not only did it not die off, but it got worse.

Again you are giving your side. It sounds like you are saying "I tried to stop this, but despite the great thing and with no further provocation from me you people got even nastier."

As I look at old threads, this didn't start with "troll-Sarge". It goes way back. But the troll-Sarge thing made things worse

You are right, of course, that there was plenty of nastiness long before you appeared - but despite your owning that you made it worse with "troll-Sarge" the people who have been arguing with you are likely to see self-justification. It's not necessary to what you are asking for - a cessation of hostilities.

Your post continues to mix peacemaking with suggestions that things would have been better if others acted differently.

Later on the same page you seem surprised that you got mixed results and anounce, in effect, that you've taken the high road and every one else has taken the low road:

“Just out of curiosity, since nobody on here has taken any responsibility except me, and the following people actually blame me (after I admitted to many mistakes): thriftyhiker, treebeard, geobeet, pedxing, sassafras (removed) and ruby ... I was just wondering if all this was in vain or is anybody going to actually change instead of point fingers?”
Sarge
10:20:09 AM
4/06/06”

“And after all of that ..... the reality is it was YOU who brought it up. I mean, even if what you are saying is true (I don't see it that way), then why not if it is going to happen as you say, just let it happen instead of forcing or making sure that it does happen?

Also, by posting all of this you AGAIN (twice on this thread) did exactly what you previously said (to Hyway) should not be done.

Maybe if you read this and really try to understand it you'll see why I think you are patronizing and a hypocrite. You are full of advice, but are slow to take it yourself.

god-complex”

“Was TT better back in tha day?

Depends.

Has it changed?

Yep.

Has it evolved?

Nope.

Strat and I used to get in some real knock downs back then. Same with Violin.

It's all contextual. The problem is that Trollarge gives the appearance the it takes everything said about it personal. Its online persona is one that is easily offended and doesn't take anything with a grain of salt. Must be a rough life it leads by the metric of how people who it never has met thinks about it.

My personal opinion is that Trollarge is a very bored individual who takes pride in "fighting the good fight" -- what ever the hell that may be. The funniest chit is when some people 'round here gather on his side, don't offer official support for him, but support "what he does to those silly libbies". THAT'S the best.

Trollarge is good for bidness around here. He gets hits for the site, which both the previous owner and current owners love. Cash money, bay bee.

If this place was like it used to be, Matt would have never been able to get rid of it and we would all be looking at the old format.

Hook, line and sinker.”

“I probably shouldn't have bothered explaining my old post and the thread you linked to. My bad.

Carry on then.
last edited: 10/15/07 10:19:43 AM”

“PedX - as a very wise person said to me recently - you get in a fight with a skunk - win or lose you don't come out smelling pretty.”

“At the same time you make these attempts you undermine them. The faked death attempt was undermined by the dishonesty involved.

Funny story ... just so you know what that really was about (not trying to change or justify anything here - this is just an fyi) the "faked death" thing was done because I already KNEW that it wouldn't be believed. "Muscratt" ... he's a real guy - and it's not me. It's a friend - he sometimes helped me with the original moonglo posts (all meant for fun).

So, before he wrote that up I told him what the reactions would be, and in many cases, who would react that way. You see - you just told me that that post is what made me untrustworthy, but the reality is that I had just spend X number of years telling 100% truthful things that were not believed. (examples include military experiece, drinking situations, working with the secret service on 2 occassions, etc. etc..) The whole point of doing that thread was that I knew what kind of reactions would be. I was like (10% would be like this ... 40% would be like that ... etc etc.) He wrote up the post (so that it wasn't in my "voice"). Sure enough, it came out just as I had suspected and had told him. We were cracking up about it as people were posting. It was like I was freaking magic or something.

So, yes, that was for fun - and it wasn't called for - but this B.S. that I'm not trustworthy is just that, B.S.. The full reality is that was just proof that I knew how people would react to things I said, and ironically, it was the first lie - told 100% on purpose in the form of a lie. I wanted to "give the people what they wanted" so to speak.

The other part of it (and I had correctly predicted crash bang would figure this out) - was what you said, it was a way to get out of this place at the time. Unfortunately Ewker (who is obsessed with me), figured it out. That b$sturd! LOL!

So, again, not trying to justify anything, but friend to friend, just letting you know the full story of what was happening there. I was called a liar before that phoney lie, and will always be. I don't care though, because I know the truth.”

“"
Funny story ... just so you know what that really was about (not trying to change or justify anything here - this is just an fyi) the "faked death" thing was done because I already KNEW that it wouldn't be believed. "Muscratt" ... he's a real guy - and it's not me. It's a friend - he sometimes helped me with the original moonglo posts (all meant for fun)"

To justify taking a dump in the middle of some strangers room is not the right way for telling someone that they don't have a bathroom in their house.

Trollarge thinks he was teaching us all a lesson, which suggests copious arrogance on its part. It didn't realize that there are people around here who have met and have developed relationships. Trollarge took advantage of that and used it as an end to its means. It abused that trust and connection; one of the main reasons you are seen as a sonofa#&%!$ today.

You shouldn't really be surprised that you are treated the way you are around here. You'd get more respect around here if you just said "Yea, I like to rattle the chains on you folks, screw you -- that's what I am".”

“To justify taking a dump in the middle of some strangers room is not the right way for telling someone that they don't have a bathroom in their house.

Wow! That's two posts in a row (one on another thread) you totally missed the point of.

Like I indicated, this wasn't FOR anybody but me and my friend. I wasn't trying to teach anybody a lesson. Did you even read what I wrote? What an idiot!

Your post doesn't even make sense! If I wanted to show that people were wrong about me lying, I wouldn't have lied. Duh. It had nothing to do with that. Man you're stupid.
last edited: 10/15/07 10:36:30 AM”

“Just because you say you're not doing something, doesn't mean that you're not doing it.

"Like I indicated, this wasn't FOR anybody but me and my friend."

Self-serving. Using the trust of this board for your enjoyment. HA. Reeeel funny.

You're #&%!$ck is weak, old man.”

“ped, thanks for the support. We are mostly on the same plank. Like you were saying, I can be friends with anyone whatever their political leanings as long as they can do the same. I just want people to stop making me pick sides by expressing your hatred for someone using their political opinion as your weapon.
last edited: 10/15/07 10:52:44 AM”

“Again, you missed the point.

Trust of the board? Man you're dense.

There was never any trust of the board. LOL

Look at you bringing this up. desparate attemp to discredit - What makes what you're doing RIGHT NOW admirable laqtose?”

“Tail-chasing?

Who said anything about Trust of the Board?

Here, read reeeeel slow:

"It didn't realize that there are people around here who have met and have developed relationships. Trollarge took advantage of that and used it as an end to its means. It abused that trust and connection; one of the main reasons you are seen as a sonofa#&%!$ today.

I was talking about the trust developed due to the formation of relationships that people have made on/from this board. It is not implied that there is automatic issuance of trust just because you post on this board.

Nice swing, though.

That crap was about as transparent as it gets.”

“I was referring to this. Did you say this?

Self-serving. Using the trust of this board for your enjoyment. HA. Reeeel funny.

Idiot!”

“LMAO!

HEY? WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT TRUST OF THE BOARD? - laqtis

DUH! Um, you did like 3 posts ago!

Oh man, you're so pathetic. I feel bad now.”

“Feel bad all ya want. I missed a few words in between there, but you can have that one seeing as though it makes y'all warm and fuzzy. I'll take "the heat" in hopes that it keeps ya from taking it out on yer wife later.
last edited: 10/15/07 11:10:54 AM”

“It's been a great day!”

“Game, set and match.

Don't let the door hit yer ass on the way out, now.

PS -- I'm sure you'll get a lot more work done now, Capitalist Pig Dog.”

“The problem is that the rules say don't attack the person attack their positions, which means you are attacking everyone with that position. Which means you are attacking me if I have that position. You force me to align with people I would rather not.

Interesting position, Hyway. So, does that mean when Stovie ridicules through his blanket comments about a particular political group, those folks who feel the same way as those attacked are right for retaliating in kind to Stovie?”

“Only with one arm tied behind their back, Treebeard.”

“if stove attacks you're belief then its stove that is attacking you're belief not me. If you attack stove's beliefs and they are the same as mine then you are attacking mine. If you attack stove as a person for attacking your belief then so be it, he had it coming. Whats hard to understand about that?”

“Man i just feel like, I don't know, attacking something.”

“Whats hard to understand about that?”
hyway to hell

Nothing! Just wondering why I get raked over the coals so much when I do it and it seems to pass muster when he does.

You needn't answer as I do not intend to go any further. I just asked a simple question and you answered it with your usual belligerence. Have a great night!”

“lol, tree the only disagreement i ever remembering having with you is the wetback thread. But I will spell this out to you very clearly, when stove attacks your beliefs, he isn't attacking mine. So its between you and him. When you attack his beliefs then most times you are attacking mine, as well. Now you have attacked me to.

Example.

Stovie: You libbies are liars.
Tree: No, you righties are liars.

Now see how stovie's post didn't involve me, but yours did?

Stovie: You libbies are liars.
Tree: You are a liar, stovie.

Now, you see how neither of you involved me?

Also, I am not a saint. I know I can be a jerk too. But I try to reel it in when it gets cankerous.”

“Treebread is so silly.”

“lol, tree the only disagreement i ever remembering having with you is the wetback thread. But I will spell this out to you very clearly, when stove attacks your beliefs, he isn't attacking mine. So its between you and him. When you attack his beliefs then most times you are attacking mine, as well. Now you have attacked me to.


”

“I don't feel attacked when SS throws the "libby" gauntlet down. Am I just being stoopid?”

“Silly BM! ”

“"Man i just feel like, I don't know, attacking something"


Here -- hump my leg.”

“you say you don't Bear but you attack back with the best of them. Something must get under your skin”

“Sorry. Let me rephrase:

I don't feel attacked every time SS throws the "libby" gauntlet down.

;)”

“My ears are like an AM radio with no Rush buttons.”

“yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn

just woke up. morning yall. i thought it might be interesting to catch up on this thread, but then i thought

”

“unfortuneately, i still cant tell the difference”

“well it is a......oh, never mind.”

“so you can't tell the difference between a thread and looking down "there"?

”

“if i dont stop either, im going to go blind”

“Just do it 'til ya get the squints.”

““unfortuneately, i still cant tell the difference”
crash bang
4:22:55 PM
10/15/07

Now that is a great set up line!”

“Hi guys!”

“(waves at Stovey!)”

“ax�is (kss) KEY

NOUN:
pl. ax�es (ksz) KEY
A straight line about which a body or geometric object rotates or may be conceived to rotate.

In which case...WHY YES YOU ARE BB.”