Apratheid Israel Annex Thread

“I don't want this sort of thing to take over the orderly discussion that ped and I are having on the other thread but I thought some of these make for entertaining reading.

http://failedmessiah.wordpress.com/2005/09/04/mayor-bars-ethiopian-jewish-children-from-schools/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/888394.html

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1185789791242&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Here's a good one. Especially the last paragraph.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNPLOG0&show_article=1”

“When you guys gona demonstrate your 'cold fusion' you've assembled over dhere?”

“You'll have to keep tuning in to find out.”

“http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/03/wisrael103.xml

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/889638.html

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=84314

http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/08/jenin-almost-forgotten-scene-of.html
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“shut up SH, you Jew hater

do you hike or just hate?
My money is you do not hike but only hate. Please get off of this Backpacking website and go to a Jew Hating website please.”

“hypocrite,
"Jew hating" as you call it isn't just for jew hating sites anymore. People who criticize the apartied racist nature Israeli culture are everwhere, including TT. Better not go out in the woods cause you never know who might be out there.


If its this bad for Jews marrying outside the faith imagine what it's like for Palestinians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3433612,00.html”

“Yeah....good come back there SH88 (GOTTA LOVE THAT NAME) sadly you have the same credibility with me at this point as the old Pravda had.

LOL..but keep it up it does good to know who the enemies are.”

“If it's this bad for the Sephardim, imagine what its like for the Palestinians.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3433983,00.html
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“SH88, you should really watch this and learn the truth: http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/”

“David Horowitz? You gotta be kidding me? It might as well be an AIPAC, MEMRI or Flame site? For every Israeli picture you can show me I can show you hundreds of pictures of what has happened to the Palestinians over the past 60 years or in Lebanon just last summer.

You want the missles to stop? Get out of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Shabaa Farms, and the Golan Heights. Open the border crossing into Gaza from Egypt. Give the Palestinians full control of the natural gas fields just off-shore from Gaza (what the Gaza Israeli/Hamas/Fatah fighting is really about). Compensate the Palestinians for the homes, farms, and businesses that Israelis stole starting in 1948 and continue to this day.

Unless this happens the long term prospects for the nation state of Israel are grim. Nuclear weapsons aside the demographics are against the Israelis. Right now Israelis are lining up to get out. Everyone with the means to move elsewhere is leaving the country. They know the handwriting is on the wall. This is the Belgian Congo and Rhodesia of the 21st Century. Go read the Israel on-line newspaper sites. They talk about it. There aren't enough French jews and Kahane kooks to replace the Israelis leaving.

My personal opinion is that the hardlined Israelis are so calcified, so entrenched, so obstinate that they will never bargain in good faith for a contiguous Palestinian state. A bi-national state is also out of the question as far as they are concerned.
Therefore the only option they have is a long term war whereby their best hope is to draw us into it and let the USA do the fighting for them. This is my real problem. I plan on fighting this all the way. If keeping the US out of this phony "clash of civilizations" means the total destruction of the government of Israel (not Jews) then so be it. The sad thing is that in the process, many innocent people, jews and non-jews alike, are going to suffer and die.

And let us not confuse this so-called negotiation going on between Abbas and Olmert as a real negotiation for a contiguous independent Palestine. It's not. Abbas is a sell out. He doesn't speak for the Palestinians. The Palestinians voted Hamas in to do that. Abbas is speaking for the American and Israeli money that is giving him a voice in the MSM.
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“I for one hope the Native American Indians never get nukes.”

“For sure, how much thread would it take to sew up all the forked tongues?”

“You want the missles to stop? Get out of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Shabaa Farms, and the Golan Heights. Open the border crossing into Gaza from Egypt. Give the Palestinians full control of the natural gas fields just off-shore from Gaza (what the Gaza Israeli/Hamas/Fatah fighting is really about).

Funny, terror attacks, missles and rejection of Israel were in place when Israel controlled none of those places.”

“Funny, terror attacks, missles and rejection of Israel were in place when Israel controlled none of those places.

Please refrain from this type of reasoning. You're clearing up the muddy waters.

I do know one fact though; if the Arabs lay down down their weapons there won't be any more war. If the Jews lay down their weapons there won't be any more Jews.”

“no biggie


j/k”

“I do know one fact though; if the Arabs lay down down their weapons there won't be any more war. If the Jews lay down their weapons there won't be any more Jews.”

I think solitary hitler has a relocation plan. And I'm positive it is NISHBY”

“Solitary Hitler? Ouch, that's a bit strong.

Maybe give them Poland?”

“Not remote enough”

“New Jersey?!”

“Before 1967 the Palestinians were fighting to get back what was stolen from them in 1948. With monetary compensation for those wrongs they are still willing to settle for what was stolen in 1967. If the Israelis would do that and give up the idea of an E'retz Israel then they might have a chance at surviving to the 22nd century. If they continue down the road they are headed they are finished. The United States as an economic superpower is in a slow steady deline. Militarily we are like the old USSR. We'll still be able to throw a few nukes around but that is not going to solve anything. We might back up the Israelis for a while longer but economics are going to come into the equation sooner or later. And if you look at the economic health of the country probably sooner than many of you realize. When we are broken, as all empires are broken, kharma will take control. The Israelis have built up a lot of bad kharma. It could get very ugly. There is a way out. The Israelis just need to recognize just how precarious their situation is.
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“New Jersey or Northern Maine, maybe. Although, then they'll be polluting the US. Siberia?”

“If it's this bad for West Bank Palestinians imagine what living in Gaza is like?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/889718.html
If it's this bad for the UN imagine what the Palestinians have to endure?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/889469.html
If it's this bad for Palestinian-Americans visiting occupied Palestine just think of what its like to live there?
http://countercurrents.org/kanazi180707.htm”

“Here's the truth!

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

Mutt will laugh at this stuff but you others need to be warned. This is very graphic.
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“TheWe.cc? And you discredit MEMRI?.”

“Wow, this spin on that site is mucho-dizzying.”

“But the pictures of death are real. And the majority of the world knows this. Some of them have even been on the receiving end of this type of good 'ole Made in the USA truth. I also happen to believe those images speak of real truth. But what I think or what you think really doesn't matter. It's what the non-Muslim third world believes. It's what Europe believes. It's what the Islamic world believes. It's what the Chinese and Russians believe. Unlike in the United States, where the MSM wouldn't dare broadcast images that might disturb your thoughts of Monday Night Football, Lindsay Lohan, or the latest ultralight gear, those otherworld people see this very real death everyday. And make no mistake about how they view it or who they blame. There is a payday coming someday. And all your wishing, all your rationalization, all your name-calling, all your jingoistic bluster won't won't change one thing.
last edited: 8/06/07 6:08:58 PM”

“Actually folks in the former Soviet Union, in China and much of the world know they have more to fear from Islamic fanatics. In India, they know this all too well.

Some find it comfortable to abhor Israel, because they have nothing to fear from Israelis. How many fatwah's have been issued against those who mock the torah? How many people around the world have been killed for converting from Judiasm or trying to convert jews?”

“Actually your statement should read:

Folks in the former Soviet Union, in China and much of the world know they have more to fear from Hindu, Christian, Islamic and Talmudic Phariseeism fanatics. In India, the Moslem minority knows this all too well.

Fanaticism in all its bitter flavors is a world wide problem.

Make no mistake. The Russians, Chinese, and majority of oil producing nations are not going to idly sit by and watch the Israelis or the Americans attack Syria and Iran. Militarily they may do nothing but economically they can do plenty.

And I would ask you how many phoney hate speech laws were lobbied by the ADL and BB and inacted in various countries of the world to prevent anyone from critizing the policies of the Israel government? On conversion to Christianity; you won't find anyone handing out copies of the New Testament on a street corner in Tel Aviv either would you?
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“But the pictures of death are real.

So is this picture: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=37&x_article=160

And all your ... name-calling,

Excuse me?

But what I think or what you think really doesn't matter. It's what the non-Muslim third world believes. It's what Europe believes. It's what the Islamic world believes. It's what the Chinese and Russians believe.

So why are you thinking at all? Why are you talking about it? Or, does it matter after all?”

“Boys, move the target,too many bullseyes.”

“Fanaticism in all its bitter flavors is a world wide problem. - SH88

How sadly ironic.”

“Like I told Mutt. For every photograph you produce, I can produce a hundred. Just look at my last link. Actually I don't care if you look or not. I'm not interested in convincing you or XL or Mutt or pedXing or any of the people arguing or calling names. I'm only looking for two people that are lurking and haven't made up their minds about the whole sad sordid affair. If I can plant that seed of doubt in their minds about the lies being fed to them by the MSM I have done my job. And then they can go out and each plant two more seeds. In twenty years that equals a sea change in the attitude of the people of the USA. But I'm also cynical enough to know that the American people at this point in time are so jaded, so ignorant, so easily mislead, so full of blind false patriotism that maybe it's an inpossible task. If that is the case then this experiment In a democratic republican form of governance is finished. I can live with that too. I don't have a problem with the disolution of the United States. Hell my ancestors fought for that 140 years ago. But that's another story.

And as far as the name calling, it's okay. I can handle it and dish it out when it's necessary. It comes with the territory. Other than calling you and XL idiotic buffoons, which you are, I'm really not doing a lot of it. I'd rather the evidence and the links I post do my talking. But keep posting the bluster. It's a good thing. I want this thread at the top for a long time.
last edited: 8/07/07 12:58:53 PM”

“Don't like looking at what the Israelis do to women, old men, and children? If you had the balls, you'd be over there experiencing it first hand. Make you feel like a real man,a proud soldier of the IDF.
last edited: 8/07/07 12:59:34 PM”

“Why don't you take the same advice, SH, and go fight the Jews? You talk the talk. I've never heard such rabid hate from a couch racist. I'm sure you could easily join up with your brethren.”

“A great example of how information is disseminated by Palestinians.

Paliwood”

“Before I respond to your post Solitary Hiker, that's the 2nd time you've said I was name calling. Care to elaborate? I see you just called me an idiot buffoon, where did I name call you?”

“SH wet dream

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“My hatred as you call it isn't against jews. My hatred is against the apartheid government of Israel. It's against the people who make excuses for Israeli military aggression and the generally racist nature of Israeli culture. That you cannot see the distinction is not my fault. Review my posts and links. All I've done is give you evidence on mostly jewish websites that speak to the very issues I've addressed. Telling the truth about a fatally flawed government and culture is not anti-semitic. If enough people do it maybe the Israelis will change and in the process save themselves.

The real question that should be on any objective observer's mind is why these issues can be addressed in Jewish newspapers and but not in the United States? I would posit that besides the issue of control of the MSM there can be no honest discussion in the US because most people have been trained/conditioned to react in a particular way when the topics arise. Any criticism of Israel is immediately challenged in an almost Pavlovian fashion. If counter facts aren't available then character assassination ensues. Go back and read the posts. It's all over this thread! Here's the thing. I can go in and find a dozen jewish and/or Israeli sites that fall on the Palestinian side on many facets of the main issue. On past threads I've linked to some of them. All Israelis aren't facilitating the injustices being carried out. But are they going to be spared when this nonsense takes the whole world to another level of conflict? This thing is getting out of hand and it's not Islamofascism. When I hear someone like Nigal or Mutt start spewing "the Israelis need to go in and start kicking ass" line of BS I think, "Boy they might be surprised if they got what they prayed for". When I hear George Bush or Dick Cheney say something similar like "all options are on the table" I shudder at what could happen. Four blowhards don't make flawed logic correct.

Finally, I will admit I've called some people names in here. But that is mainly based on observing these people over a long course of time. I've seen their general contributions to the various political discourses. It's canned bull$hit. When I call someone an idiot in here, in your heart of hearts, you know I'm right. Hell most of you people have called each other far worse for topics far less interesting. I'm just calling a spade a spade.”

“I almost believe you, SH. But there are far worst governments. And If you can give an example of a country with a substantial Jewish population that didn't persecute Jews, than I might re-think my position on Israel.

And while I certainly do not condone everything Israel has done, I'm not Jewish and/or I don't live there. The same goes with me not being Arab Palestinian.

IMO, your attacks against Israel are biased. Giving no fault to the "other side". Anyone that attacked Arabs the same way would also be accused of racism.

But I am impressed by your level headed response to such charges. For whatever it's worth.”

“Solitary Hiker - So, you said on here twice that I'm a name caller, and then you admit that in reality it is you who are the name caller. Thank you for being honest. Honestly, it would have been nice if you would have publicly apologized to me instead of throwing more insults and names, but I understand that old habits are hard to break. Baby steps.”

“Sorry guys ...just got a few minutes before I race off for training....SH88...um...NAH..can't tell since you probably won't believe.

But here you guys go.

There is a Jumbo jet leaving for the Middle East. A kindly old Rabbi is walking down the aisle when he notices his seat is the aisle seat RIGHT next to a man in Arab headdress.

He sighs and sits down. After take off the do the preliminary introductions and the Arab reaches for the "stewardess call" button the rabbi asks him if there is a problem.

"No, no" the arab says,"I just wanted to freshen my coke."

The rabbi offers to take it to the galley (since he is on the aisle seat).

As the rabbi leaves the arab picks up the rabbi's shoes (they are both in the little airline slipper by the way) and he SPITS in Each shoe.

The rabbi comes back hands the arab his coke and they chat aimably about life. The arab mentiones he is out of coke, the rabbi again offers to get his drink refreshed.

The rabbi goes down the aisle the arab once again picks up the rabbi's shoes and spits in them.

Well the plane eventually lands at its destination and the Rabbi goes to put on his shoes. As he does he feels the phlegm in his shoes he gasps...and says, "HOW MUCH LONGA Must dis kontinue. The hatred, de violens...how much longa...." Then he looks at the arab and says,"VEN VEN VILL IT STOP! VEN VILL IT STOP...YOU Schpitting in my shoes, me pissing in your coke...VEN VILL IT STOP?"

SH88 I heard the same logic for why Black September, and the Red Brigade operated. Hell I heard IRA terrorists give the same whiney explanations why they killed (and targeted) specifically civilians. And it all is like that great saying....

No matter how you slice it...its still baloney.”

“And If you can give an example of a country with a substantial Jewish population that didn't persecute Jews, than I might re-think my position on Israel.

What do you call substantial? The total number of people practising Judaism is estimated to be approximately 14 million. If you were double this number to very conservatively include the number non-religious ethnic Jews the total would only come to 28 million. To put this into perspective there are 2.1 billion practicing Christians in the world today. There are an estimated 1.3 billion practising Muslims. In terms of percentage, Judaism ranks 17th in the number of religious practitioners. There are sixteen other world religions that have more followers! There are no countries in the world besides Israel where a substantial number of Jews reside. Jews in Israel number 5.1 million. There are roughly 5 million Palestinian Muslims and Christians living in Israel! Even in the United States where Jews have flourished since almost the beginning of the country they have never made up more than two percent of the population. Off-hand I think there are roughly 7-7.5 million Jews in the US today.

Have Jews been persecuted? Yes. The harder questions to ask are "What were the underlying reasons Jews were persecuted? Did the persecutions happen in a vacuum? Did certain segments of ethnic Jewish society ever induce that persecution?

Going back to your train of logic the rationalization you are usings to justify the persecution of Christian and Muslim Palestinians is the same one all Israeli apologists eventually fall back on. That rationale is; "Jew as the eternal victim". In other words, "1) the Jews have an exclusive right to Palestine therefore what they do to Palestinians is justifiable because of persecution they have endured in the past and 2)the "their god gave it to them and their god is better than all the other gods" rationale. ie. the Bible Old Testament as binding legal contract.

This premise is incorrect on both counts.
It's circular logic and two wrongs don't make a right, period!

Zionist Jews do not have an exclusive right to Palestine. Palestine was the home of indigenous Palestinians (Arabs, Muslims, and Jews)long before the Zionists decided to colonize it. Study the history of Ottoman Palestine and then British Palestine right up to the UN Mandate of 1947. If you want documentation go to the other Apartheid Israel and start reading the documents I have linked to.
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“in the early 20th century.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story414.html”

“Well the Palistinians deserve it. Even those little kids will grow up to be bad people one day. And besides, look what the NAZIs did to the Jews. Turn about is fair play you know!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3435841,00.html”

“Justified terrorism is funny...”

“The Israelis will do anything to prevent honest discourse.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/892201.html”