Apratheid Israel Annex Thread

“And YouTube is priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM”

“I don't even have to dig around tonight for scripture to show to Nigal he's wrong.

Quite the opposite Sol. While Paddle's cut and paste sounds very convincing on the surface it doesn't even answer my original request:

Where in the Jewish scriptures does it say that we are required to worship, pray to or even follow the messiah to gain salvation?

While Jesusplusnothing.com and Arnold Fruchtembaum may be good christians they are hardly what I would call Jewish.”

“If Nigal knows what is right and good for him he will renounce his apostasy. He will crawl on his knees and kiss the crucifix of the truth faith


Sol: what has that got to do with anything ? The crucifix of true faith ? What the heck is that about ?

Yes, Jesus is the Messiah,there`s hundreds of scriptures to prove that,not all of what I showed Nigal was cut and paste.

Do you think G-d has a huge stone hanging over Nigal because he doesn`t believe in his Son ?

G-d Loves Nigal period,he doesn`t need to crawl on his knees and repent of his apostasy,all he has to do is believe that Jesus/Yeshua is the Messiah. The Holy spirit will continue to work on him for as long as he lives.I`m not sure if Nigal is a Jew or not ,but if he is he has every right to be skeptical.Christianity was orginally Jewish,but as it spread it became increasingly Gentile,after Constatine made it the offical religion of Rome it became corrupted,and began to adopt various
pagan ceremonies and worship styles into it`s self,as this began to happen,the so called "christian church" began to turn from it`s Jewish roots and began to persecute and force Jews to become christians under the penalty of death.The so called "church" has persecuted Jews for centuries,blaming them for the death of Christ.

This corrupted blasphemous perversion of the church,tainted the truth of Jesus Christ and made it a Gentile religion,no wonder the Jews are leery of the Gospel.

What they need to know is that,Jesus(Yeshua) was Jewish and is for them,he is their Messiah as well as ours.

G-d made the Jewish people his,chosen ones and G-d doesnot Lie nor can he go back on a promise.

By the way being a Jewish believer doesnot make one any less Jewish regardless of what Orthodox Rabbis might tell you.”

““You had better check your facts on what the UN did in 1948

don`t get your knickers in a knot there Sol:

It was a UN resolution (181) in 1947 that called for a Palestinian State and a Jewish State.The Arabs didn`t like the idea.

In May 14th of 1948 the Jews declared themselves a independent state,and on the day of the end of the British mandate May 15th 1948 Israel became a indepentent state.

They were attacked by 5 Arab nations in July of 48 but were able to halt their advance within 3 weeks and from July 48 to July 49 gain back land lost.

Since then they`ve pretty much been fighting for the right to survive.”

“G-d Loves Nigal period

For some reason this touches me deeply and it's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. Thank you.

Be blessed.

PS.

YGM”

“The UN partition of Nov. 1947 called for a Palestine with two homelands , one for Palestinians and one for Jews. It did not call for the creation of Israel, just a homeland for Jews. Big difference. Have you ever seen what the UN partition looked like?

Here it is

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/UN_Partition_recommendation_Nov_1947.htm

If the Palestinians decided to fight over it do you know why? Because a minority of the overall population got 51 percent of the land. Look at a map of Irael in late 1948. Does it look like the partition as the UN planned it?”

“SH...prior to 1947 WHO were the Palestinians?”

“...prior to 1947 WHO were the Palestinians?”

Arab-Israel Conflict – Forgotten Facts! –

The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines (“Invaders” in Hebrew), that disappeared out over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine.



1. Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.



2. Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years with a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.



3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.



4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.



5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit.



6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.



7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).



8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.)



9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human.



10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab.



11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker; The book estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.



12. As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers.



13. In 1922, with what was widely acknowledged as the illegal separation of Transjordan, the Jews were forbidden to settle on almost 77% of the Palestine, while Arab settlement went unrestricted and encouraged by British mandatory authority.



14. Prior to the Second World War Mojli Amin, a member of the Arab Defense Committee for Palestine, proposed the idea "that all the Arabs of Palestine will leave and be divided up amongst the neighboring Arab countries. In exchange for this, all the Jews living in Arab countries will leave and come to Palestine."



15. Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to Arabs without population transfer of Arabs from the land designated for Jews.



16. In 1947, the Jewish state huddled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel.



17. In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.



18. Some 850,000 Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab countries, due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.



19. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (where did they get this number?). Based on population census, estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time.



20. From 1948 till 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated, 58 synagogues in Jerusalem were destroyed and the Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.



21. Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1964 only, on the initiative of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat. The idea became popular Arab propaganda tool after Israel re-captured Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the defensive 6-Day War of 1967,



22. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, Arab-Palestinians is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel.



23. Arab refugees INTENTIONALLY were not absorbed or integrated by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass. They are kept as virtual prisoners by the Arab power brokers with misplaced hatred for Jews and Western democracy.



24. There is only one Jewish state. There are 60 Muslim countries, including 22 Arab nations.



25. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.



26. Pan-Arabism or the doctrine of Muslim Caliphate declares that all land that used to belong to Muslims must be returned to them. Thus, Spain, for example, must eventually be re-conquered.







General Assembly resolution 181, of Nov. 29, 1947: It calls for the partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem to be controlled by a "special international regime" to protect its holy places. The Zionist movement seeking to establish a Jewish state accepted the partition, the Arabs rejected it. The resolution was not carried out: After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, war broke out pitting the embryonic state against surrounding 7 Arab states. Israel gained more land than it would have had under the partition resolution. Neither Israel nor Jordan, which controlled the divided parts of Jerusalem after the war, accepted control of the holy city by an international body.







Security Council resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967: It calls for "withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied" in the 1967 Six Day War and for "respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." The resolution was not carried out because the Arab side did not recognize Israel, and Israel refused to withdraw”

“Paddles...I am in AWE...truly this is incredible....if 14 is right all the Jews coming to Palestine...that means the Jews are the Original Palestinians (as I already knew) and I think they should SUE the others for infringement say ask for 50% of the FREE GOVERNMENT money going to the terrorists.

Paddles, hope to meet you on the trail some time..this is excellent.

SH88...go peddle your racial hatered somewhere else. When I read your crap I think of the stories of the Auschwitz survivors (close friends) and the way the NAZIs treated them. I have been to Dachau, and I have seen the horror of your Anti Semitism.”

“Paddles, hope to meet you on the trail some time..this is excellent

If I ever get to Georgia,I`ll be sure to look you up.I`d love to hike some of Georgia”

“Why don't you link us to your material source site? Your cut and paste jobs of from propaganda sites that endlessly spew out Israeli lies are getting real old. Some of the original sources cited beggar belief. A Baedeker guide book as the "official" census? Karl Marx, an ethnic Jew before he was the founder of Communism, as an objective source of census data? Mohammed never in Jerusalem? Jewish control of Palestine for how many years? I could find objective counter arguments on every point. But I won't because if I do you'll just come back with other lies and half-truths. Next you'll be claiming the Jews were in New York or on the Moon for 3000 years.

To the people lurking in the background just check out some of the links I've given. The Palestinians in Palestine were a mix of Muslim Arabs, Semitic Christians, and Jews since the time of the Islamic Conquest in the 7th Century. Jews never made up the majority. I will go out and find a reliable source of data giving the demographics of the population at the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 and just before the UN partition plan of November 1947. Even after WWII up until the outline of partition, when Jews were pouring into Palestine, they never made up a majority of the population.

Quoting XL

SH88...go peddle your racial hatered somewhere else. When I read your crap I think of the stories of the Auschwitz survivors (close friends) and the way the NAZIs treated them. I have been to Dachau, and I have seen the horror of your Anti Semitism.”

Don't try playing the Jew As Eternal Victim card on me. I'm neither a NAZI or an anti-Semite. That is why I fight today for the Palestinian people.

What you fail to recognize XL is that people you blindly back, ie the Zionists who rule Israel today, have become the embodiment of German NAZIism. They are fascist, racist, and against the very so-called G_d they supposely worship. They have many people fooled both Christian and Jew. But God said this would happen. In the New Testament it is called the Great Apostasy. And you my foolish buffoon, have fallen into it. But you have good company with Nigal, paddles, and the rest. So be of good cheer in your foolishness. The Apocalypse approaches. Only during this one, Jesus won't be coming back and the Jews won't be saved.
last edited: 8/28/07 9:48:07 AM”

“Nigal
“Your question is a fair one. Bear with me as I do some research.”
solitary hiker
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Sarge
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8/26/07

Actually Sol had it right on this detail.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/bare.html”

“No no .... I think he meant for us all to get naked as he looked it up. I mean, I just assumed.”

“And you my foolish buffoon, have fallen into it. But you have good company with Nigal, paddles, and the rest.

Sol, I have bent over backward to keep a fairly high level of respect with you. I don't think I've called you any names and I don't think I've even called you an anti-Semite. Keep our conversations between us and lets not lump me in with anyone else, okay?”

“I shouldn't have done that. I apologize.”

“It's all good man. I think it boils down to this; you don't really care what I think of your view and I don't really care what you think of mine. So there's really no reason to get too bent out of shape about it. If we degrade to simple disrespect neither of our views have changed but we both look like asses. :)”

“Yeah, calling people names unprovoked is bad, right Nigal? You wouldn't want to look like an ass. Carry on.”

“you don't really care what I think of your view and I don't really care what you think of mine.

Like I said before, we're really not that far apart on some of these issues. I think that you being a religious man, know what I'm getting at. There is a bigger issue here being played out. An evil force is playing on both teams. Innocent people (Palestinian and Jew) are caught in the middle. How do we make it stop before it consumes the world?
last edited: 8/29/07 8:52:27 AM”

“a missle launch sites. So where are the destroyed missle launchers. If the missle launchers were set up to fire rockets and the IDF artillery missed and hit the civilians then the "terrorists" should have been able to fire off at least one missle. But no missles were fired. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3443544,00.html”

“http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392492084&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


The IDF confirmed it had fired on figures handling rocket launchers, saying in a statement that it regretted that Palestinian groups "used children for terrorist purposes."

Witnesses said an IDF tank shell exploded near Beit Hanun.

The IDF said it targeted a number of Kassam rocket launchers and several suspicious-looking people who were handling them.

Just the Jerusalem Post news story....
last edited: 8/29/07 4:44:19 PM”

“But no missles were launched! You know what this is? This is a case were some Israeli spotters saw some people in a group, decided they were "terrorists" and decided to lob a couple of shells over at them before they confirmed who they were.

How many times have you heard this same story? Last year on the beach, or a 13 year old girl walking to school, a woman inside her own house holding a baby, Lebanese people fleeing the fighting on a road attacked by guided missles and bombs, UN soldiers at an observation post shelled all day long and then finally killed, the U.S.S. Liberty. Everytime the Israelis saying it was a sad mistake. "We never target civilians. There were terrorists around them"

Lurkers you can believe the zionist if you just don't wnt to face the truth. Or read what is reallu going on at any of the sites I link to.”

“UN soldiers at an observation post


I don`t have all the answers SH,but I don`t believe the Israelis our terrorists.As for the Un troops,if I remember they were requested to move out of the area,they were in the middle of a war zone.

Just out of curiousity,when American fighter pilots kill allied troops in Afghanistan or Iraq (which they seem to have a habit of doing) is that terrorism or the the unfortunate circumstances of war ?


Solitary Hiker...

Please tell me how this is justified ?


The IDF revealed Thursday that it foiled an attack by a would-be 15-year-old Palestinian suicide bomber who tried to attack soldiers operating in the northern Gaza Strip, Army Radio reported.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392492084&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull”

“Hamas orders private Gaza clinics shut down.



Gaza's Islamic Hamas rulers ordered striking doctors to shut down their private clinics on Monday, in a challenge to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas that threatened to deepen hardship in the long-suffering territory.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188197168309&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Honestly how does that help the Palestinian people ?

There will never be peace,until the terrorist organizations such as hamas, fatah,@ the PLO and other groups lay down their weapons .”

“IDF: Hamas Responsible for Gaza Arabs' Deaths



PA sources claimed three teenagers and children were killed in the strike. The children were apparently sent by Hamas terrorists to adjust the launchers. The IDF identified five launchers with suspicious figures moving among them and launched the strike.

The previous night, IDF soldiers intercepted a 15-year-old suicide bomber dispatched from northern Gaza.

“We are not talking about the first time this has happened,” military correspondent Avi Yissacharov told Army Radio. “This phenomenon of Hamas paying ten shekels to children in order to retrieve the launchers has become the norm. The terrorists launch the rockets from afar via remote control and know that if they approach the launchers they will be hit, so they send young children.”


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123532”

“The Israel Army moves about in Gaza Strip at their leisure. If they shelled the children "sent to adjust the launchers" then surely they can produce pictures and video tape of the suppossed launch site? Like I said, every month or so we hear the same excuse when the the Israelis murder some more innocent civilians. Either the Israelis are lying or they have the worse aim of any military force on the planet. Most people who want to know the truth have already seen through the Israeli propaganda. Only zionists like you can rationalize these war crimes.”

“When you build a child care facility or something ON TOP of a weapons storage facility....you violate the Geneva Convention and it becomes a target...SORRY SH seeing as how the worshipers of the Childmolesting Drunk MO Baby have INTENTIONALLY killed more innocent civilians for no reason...I wonder how long the Lebanese would last if the US just let Isreal cut loose?”

“Kassam Slams into Sderot; Damage and Shock

IsraelNN.com) A Kassam rocket fired from northern Gaza into Israel smashed into the city of Sderot, causing damage and sending people into shock.

The rocket was fired around 11 AM Thursday. Another Kassam rocket was fired Wednesday, landing harmlessly near a kibbutz in the Shaar HaNegev Regional Council

Speaking of Killing innocent victims...


A Galilee-based Israeli-Arab terror group claimed earlier this week that it murdered 68-year-old Upper Nazareth resident Michael Ronkin outside his home just over two weeks ago. Ronkin was stabbed repeatedly,

Yes killing 68 year olds....that really takes courageous.That definitely helps their cause doesn`t it.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123533”

“If you killed my 8 year son I'd kill your 68 year old grandfather or mother too!

Opps! Sorry... that's my Judao-Old Testament "eye-for-an eye" side coming out. I do my best to suppress the dark side of that primitive barbaric pre-Christ religion but sometimes it just slips out.”

“http://www.ifamericansknew.org/”

“I never have to worry about keeping this thread at or near the top because there are endless stories like the following coming out of occupied Palestine.

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2007/08/30/aggressive-settlers-set-fire-to-palestinian-olive-trees/”

“http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103912.html

Bet this get's Rubenstein on the jewish S.H.I.T. list.

http://www.masada2000.org/#&%!$-list.html”

“An American doctor and nurse (husband and wife)on a working visit to Palestine.

http://counterpunch.com/longstreth09012007.html”

“One for the Jews, one for the Palestinians

http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/09/israel-sometimes-land-of-demolitions.html”

“I think the most telling thing about "who is responsible" is that the palestinians are still killing each other even AFTER the Isrealis leave.

Personally I say supply arms and training to both sides...let em kill each other off and then innocent Isrealis won't die.”

“this must be the thread where all the cool kids are hanging out

--looks around--

oh its just sh88 and xtroll. nevermind”

“Is an innocent Israeli kinda the same as a non -libby Democrat?”

“Hey SH you notice your buds in Darfur are off killing each other..(HOW COOL !!!!)?”

“So just to flip the script here, would it be safe to say that the thousands and thousands of Jews who were thrown out of their resident Arab countries following the '48 should be supported in returning to those countries and committing terrorist acts against those countries until they get a state of their own within the borders of those countries? It would be fine to blow up women and children in their efforts to return to those Arab nations?”

“After the subject of Jews leaving Arab countries. How about a link to you source material? You make statements but never post any sources. I'll post my mine as soon as I see yours.

Besides the Jews won't have to fight their way back in. Jews lived and still live in Muslim countries to this day. Islam has always tolerated other religions better than Jaduism or Christianity. It is only because of what is happening in occupied Palestine today that Jews are unwelcome in some Muslim countries.”

“Islam has always tolerated other religions better than Jaduism or Christianity


You may want to rethink that statement...it has more holes than swiss cheese !!!!!!!!!”

“You may want to rethink that statement...it has more holes than swiss cheese !!!!!!!!!”

I don't think so. You need to read your Old Testament Deuteronomy. You need to check your history of the Islamic conquest of Jerusalem in 637 AD right up to the capture of Jerusalem of by the Crusaders in the 11th Century. And their later re-conquest in the 12th.”

“Wow its now all just buzzing to me...like the insults of millions of racists I run into....hey are but buzzing to me.”

“To back up what the above article says here's the latest news form Israel. It's 57 years later and they still treat Sephardim like 2nd class citizens. If it's this bad for Sephardim imagine what it's like to be a Palestinian?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444634,00.html”

“I'm not sure I understand Sol, I never stated that Jews didn't live in Arab states. What I asked (and was not answered) was if the Jews who were exiled from Arab nations in 1948 had a right of return and if they are justified in committing terrorist acts such as homicide bombing to get it?”

“Yeah well but you are using LOGIC....bigots never were able to do that because they mostly FEEEL they are right. And they continue to buzz along”

“I think that Israel should enact certain laws for the Arabs that do live in Israel. How about this?

*No criticizing Jews or the Torah or Judaism on pain of death.

*Never to touch a Jewish woman on pain of death.

*Excluded from any public office, armed forces service and no rights to own guns and or arms.

*They should not be able to build a mosque taller than any synagogue.

*They should have to wear some type of distinctive clothing that makes them easily recognizable.

*No praying or mourning in loud voices in public.

*When an Arab meets a Jew on the road the Arab should have to yield the sidewalk or road to the Jew.

*The Arab should never be able to give evidence against a Jew in court and their testimony should be unacceptable in a Jewish court.

*To defend oneself an Arab should have to purchase a Jewish witness for court.

i think these measures are fair and would bring peace to the land.”