Anyone Feel A Draft?

“i know you are but what am i?”

“Ah hell, I gotta prepare to go to the damn Safety Committee meeting at 10. Later, children.

last word
last edited: 8/14/07 7:42:46 AM”

“Let's just admit our love for one another and stop this courtship dance. Feels like we're in XL's bug video.”

“Efficiency class, you all better enroll now!LOL”

“What bug video? Where did I get the bug video?”

“Must we bicker like this? And talk of going way off tangent. I don't mind if it's skimpily clad buxxom women but this has gotten out of hand. I will say that the main culprit in the past 50 posts or so has been Mutt (big surprise).

Mutt what is it about you that makes you this way? You will do and say anything to divert attention from the topic of the thread. This is especially true if the thread topic has anything to do with Israel. What is it about Israel that you don't want other readers to know? Do you really want the truth about Israel or is it that you really want to divert attention away from learning the truth? My personal opinion is you're more about the latter than the former. Your diversions are all about impeding any real dialog on the topic. Your diversions are right out of the ADL, BB, AIPAC, JDL, etc, etc, playbooks.

As an example, Jimmy Carter writes a book about Apartheid Israel and nows he's right up there on the 88 Hitler list with the president of Iran. And those two profs who wrote the article on the power of the Israeli lobby in the US. They are impeded from speaking engagements in every way by aforementioned jewish groups. Same thing happened to the play about Rachael Corrie, it was blocked from debuting on off-Broadway because of the concerns of powerful "philanthropists". You want me to go on?

Mutt the way I have you figured is that you not the average born in the USA citizen. You are definitely an ardent zionist. You may be jewish and there is nothing wrong with that, except that it would be nice to know if you have a vested interest. Now if you're Israeli and/or if you hold US/Israeli dual citizenship that would also tell us a hell-u-va lot. No one has ever met you from TT that I know of. It's possible that you have hiked with some in TT but it was under another name. It's also very possible that you are one of Nigal's trolls like PoopyPants or whatever that idiot's name is. You say you live in Missouri. Maybe you work out of the Steve Rosen Porche dealership in, where is that, Kansas City or St.Louis? Sound like the kinda guy who would.....Hmmm I guess we'll never know who you are.

But one thing we do know. You don't care anything about the truth.
last edited: 8/14/07 10:17:23 AM”

“amen”

“Since when did TT threads stay on point?”

“I will say that the main culprit in the past 50 posts or so has been Mutt (big surprise). - SH88

No, it was Sarge's fault. If he hadn't tried to obfuscate the truth regarding Christians, there wouldn't have been another 50 posts.”

“What would a Jewish guy or Jewish wannabee truly know about the Christian faith?”

“Ah, so Jews are too stupid to learn about Christianity?

Another check-mark in the 88 column.”

“They know enough not to believe in it or follow it. LOL!”

“quite the hate-filled troll lately ...”

“LOL, you can't get closer than that.And that.
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“quite the hate-filled troll lately ... - Sarge

Unfortunately, I don't think SH88 is trolling.”

“I wasn't referring to him.”

“SH88 why bring that hayseed failure of a navy officer (JIMUH) into this....the guy has enough problems with the fact that he went from being a failed peanut farmer to a failing politician to a failed homebuilder....(okay some poor guy did take one for the team and marry that female he raised....)”

“Mutt/Nigal
Ah, so Jews are too stupid to learn about Christianity?

No I was thinking it had more to do with bias. Say the way certain elements in Hollywood are biased against Christianity. Or racists are biased against blacks or Asians or whites or Indians or haves or have-nots or even Jews.

Anyone can truly learn if they are not biased against learning or the truth. Are you interested in learning?”

“You're post doesn't even warrant a response. Nevertheless in the interest of being fair to all I will tell you that without a doubt Jimmy Carter will be regarded by historians as a far better president and human being than George W. Bush. What has George Bush accomplished? Nothing but war and increasing the size of Al Quada and the budget deficit. It was Jimmy Carter that got Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin to come to the peace table. That took a lot considering what kind of man Begin was. Anwar Sadat was a certifiable saint compared to him. I have plenty of links to teach you about him but we will get to them in due time.
last edited: 8/14/07 4:13:17 PM”

“LBJ, Clinton, Carter and 'W'are all from the_________? case closed.”

“Anyone can truly learn if they are not biased against learning or the truth. Are you interested in learning?

No I'm not afraid of learning the truth. How do you think I could go from being a christian for years to leaving it for my present path?”

“a path of spite and hate?

bhoo-ya!”

“I have to give you this, Christians in general are an odd lot. They have gone far astray from the original teachings of Jesus. Here's an article I found that tells you just how weird some of those people can be. The whole time he is asking people to understand this man, he's still saying he made a bad life choice.


Eric Marshall
Modern Religious Issues Magazine

“Ex- Bob Jones University Professor Discusses Inter-Racial Marriage

White Southern Baptist communities and schools shouldn't shun next generation of children who are products of mixed marriages

Last week the Atlanta Constitution published an editorial essay by John S. Howard of Greenville, SC. While once an active member of a church affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention and a tenured Economics professor at Bob Jones University Howard is not religious today and is married to someone who is of African-American descent. Dr. Howard felt that because he had made a life choice his former church and the Greenville, SC university religious community did not agree with, his previous church brethren and school faculty treated him differently.

He alleges that they cropped him and his wife out of pictures (something the school denies) and did not place his life cycle announcement in the regular alumni bulletins alongside all the others. All this of course caused Dr. Howard pain which he expressed at length in his editorial.

Although Dr. Howard’s complaints have cause much controversy and criticism of the university, his former church, and the Southern Baptist Convention, it must be noted that this type of behavior is not confined solely to Southern Baptist churches, private religious schools, or Southern communities. I know of some northern Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic, and even Episcopalian churches that have policies which treat non-white spouses differently than they treat the white partner.

The perceived needs by other communal institutions too, in some way, differentiate between those who have married in the race and those who have inter-racially married. This is not just a Fundamentalist Christian issue. Clearly Dr. Howard will find the same concern, on different levels, in virtually every religious denomination within Christianity and the United States.

Notwithstanding this, Howard has done all of us a favor, albeit in a backhanded manner. His editorial against his former community has forced many of us to think about the way we treat those whites who, for one reason or another, have married outside of their race.

The following story illustrates why we need to change our mindset in this regard. About twelve years ago as an assistant youth pastor of a large Baptist congregation in Dothan, Alabama, it came to my attention that one of our female Sunday school teachers was married to an African-American. She had met her husband while in the US military. They had retired to his home town. Some people did not want this woman to teach their children even though the husband never attended services and it was not common knowlege among her Sunday school pupils that she had married a black man.

Like any new professional I asked my immediate superior within the church how to handle the issue. I was referred all the way up to the Pastor who himself consulted with authorities within the Southern Baptist Convention and a course of action was laid out.

It was decided that this individual could no longer serve in any official capacity within our church. She could not serve as a Sunday school teacher, in the choir, or even as a babysitter during regular Sunday church services.

I felt that this decision was rather harsh and asked for consideration of this woman’s previous service to the church and the effect this decision would have on her. However, I was told that someone who marries outside of the race and the teachings of the Baptist faith has made the decision to cut herself or himself off from the church community and they therefore have to deal with the consequences.

Needless to say, when the woman was informed of this decision she was devastated. She was not seen in the church again. Sadly our behavior towards this woman completely alienated her from the church community she loved so much. This story changed my entire perception of how one must deal with those who have married outside of the white race and traditional Southern Baptist faith. The strategy of spurning inter-racially married people and treating them like outsiders has not worked—it only serves to alienate.

Inter-racial marriage is as rampant as ever despite the fact that many Christian and white communities shun those who make that choice. The method that may have worked in the old Jim Crow South but it simply does not work in 21st century America.

The dilemma many whites have is that if the white community is too accepting of those who marry outside the race then it may encourage a trend that is an existential threat to the Caucasian race. While this is a legitimate concern, my response to that is that we are now at a stage of damage control. We need to save the next generation of Baptist Christians who are themselves products of mixed marriages. By continuing to shun the inter-racially married we run the risk of losing a colossal amount of those mixed race children born into those marriages.

The problem, however, is that most Christian denominations do not differentiate between the person and the life they lead. And here in the South, unfortunately, prejudice also plays a part. Just because I do not approve of the way a person leads their life or their choice of marriage partner does not mean that they are bad or not deserving of respect and humanity. Every white Christian is special and deserves the full love of the white Christian community no matter what.

According to the New Testament the entire Christian community is like a body—if one part is missing the body cannot function properly. Each white Christian is of vital importance and not one white Christian is expendable. If we had this attitude, no matter how a white acts, we would think many times before we did anything that may alienate them from the white Christian community.

Although Dr. Howard overstated his case and I disagree with his life choices he is still my brother. He needs to know that as a Caucasian he still has a special place within the Christian community and no matter how people may act towards him he will always be one of us. I would welcome him and his family into my community any time they may come knocking.”

Unreal! Here's the original site. This is the least offensive. You should see some of it.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3433612,00.html”

“Funny you'd use the word 'offensive', considering being offensive is clearly your goal.”

““I have to give you this, Christians in general are an odd lot. They have gone far astray from the original teachings of Jesus. Here's an article I found that tells you just how weird some of those people can be. The whole time he is asking people to understand this man, he's still saying he made a bad life choice."

As far as christians go I think they are OK. Oh every group and religion has it's kooks but even most of the Chassidic rabbis will say that christianity is good (for the Gentiles). Everyone loves bashing on Catholics and Mormons but to be honest, I've never met someone from either religions that I didn't like. Given my choices I'll take a christian over an atheist every time.

As for inter-marriage that's a whole other kettle of fish. The SBC has always been racist. It was created on racism.”

“ increasing the size of Al Quada - SH88

credibility”

“a path of spite and hate? - Sarge

Always projecting, aren't you.”

“be specific”

“without a doubt Jimmy Carter will be regarded by historians as a far better president and human being than George W. Bush. What has George Bush accomplished?
Statdsfuherer 88


Well lets look at what JIMUH accomplished...(and I was alive at that time). He had 20% interest rates, fuel shortages, our nation played surrender weasel to a third world group of goat humpers....Okay he did give us Ronald Reagan...but you quote his "peace accord....Sadat was murdered over it...and um...I think they are still fighting over there infact the Worshipers of the former drunken Boy lover started that one....

No JIMUH will be shown as an abject failure. And If..and it is looking like this more everyday, Iraq stabalizes (hey when even DER SPEIGEL reports positivly) I will be giggling silly at the way you libbies will run to the microphone to join in the victory dance.


The truth is that the Isrealis have NEVER called for the destruction of any people or religion (they kinda have a recent experience of that) but the radical Isalmo Fasicsts continually call for even our destruction....I guess we know which side of the equation you come down on.”

“I know the last post was long but did you give it anything other than a cursory glance? Did any of you? Or is you just want ignore what your lying eyes are seeing?

The article is real in a way. Only the names and organizations have been changed to protect the guilty parties. Go back and check the linked source.”

“If the occasional (and minor percentage compared to the total number of people of Christian Faith) mistakes you listed HER 88 are reason to end the Christian faith...then the Liberals in this nation and world need to apologize to the nation in a manner set by Admiral Boorda.”

““I know the last post was long but did you give it anything other than a cursory glance? Did any of you? Or is you just want ignore what your lying eyes are seeing?”

Nice. So now you are into tricks and lying to get the win? I was commenting on what was presented as a racial issue. Intermarriage in Judaism is not a racial issue. I thought you were like, super smart? The fact you have to stoop to these types of tactics should give you pause.”

“I was commenting on what was presented as a racial issue. Intermarriage in Judaism is not a racial issue.

I beg to differ!!! Mainstream Judaism or what I would call Talmudic Phariaism works on religious, ethnic, cultural, and racial levels. Do I have to link you to more jewish newspaper websites to beat you to death with story after story of how some so-called religious Jews treat other Sephardic or Ethiopian Jews? If they treat those Jews like that then imagine how they treat the Palestinians and goyim as they are fond of called us gentiles. Israeli culture and Judaism is so steeped in ethnocentricism and racism it passes as editorial content in the most popular newpaper in that country. It's so much a part of their culture they can't even recognize it. And that has been my point all along.
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“We need to draft people to run this country. This two ended single party nonrepresentational system ain't working.”

“uncliff - How much are you going to beat that drum? I believe about 99% of the people on this website and in the general public admit the 2 party system is crap, and the party members are unethically swayed. Beating the drum that "you guys and your parties are stupid, and me and my independent way of thinking is awesome", is not necessary and tiresome. We live in a 2 party system right now, and yes, it needs to be changed - we all know that. That in itself is an issue, but to dismiss every idea a republican or a democrat has just because they are a republican or democrat, and not considering the entire picture, is just getting old.”

“It must be truth to deserve that much keyboard. A forced mirror session is almost always the beginnings of change.”

“Nigal SH88 gets his information on Hebrew intermarriage from watching American Wedding fifteen times (and strangely the sale of Apple Pies went up in his neighborhood 200%)”

“It must be truth to deserve that much keyboard. A forced mirror session is almost always the beginnings of change.

And apparently you didn't read any of it.”

“While on subject, Becks (David Bechham) scored on a free kick and assisted with a pass to Donovan for a victory over DC United 2-0. Haven't had any pie of any kind for 15 years and don't miss it, but still have frequent sexual fantasies of Hillary.”

“Sir Edmund I am guessing?”

“Sarge
As you say good ideas are still good ideas no matter where or who they come from. Conversely bad ideas are bad no matter where they come from. My problem with Republicans, Democrats, and any other party sitting in the US Congress is that in one way or the other, most have been bought and paid for by special interests. And what is good for special interests is not always good for the American people. In fact, in most cases it is terrible for Americans. US foreign policy concerning the MIidle East is is a prime example. Arabs and Muslim don't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us for what we do to them and what we let the Israelis do to them. Domestic policy on medical care is bad for Americans but good for big Pharma. US energy policy is terrible for the environment and the general poplace but great for big oil and car manufacturers that refuse to take their heads out of the sand. US fiscal policy is destroying the value of the dollar. Do you realize what level of inflation we could experience if the Federal Reserve continues to pump liquidity into the system like they did last week? They put 54 billion dollars into the economy last Thursday and Friday to prop up failing hedge funds and the fat cat invester class (the oligarchs). Talk about a selfish welfare class and you Republicans worry about welware mothers! By the time you do get to withdraw your 401k money it won't even make good toilet paper. We could see the same thing that happened in Weimar Germany in 1920 to 1923.
last edited: 8/16/07 9:00:03 AM”

“solitary hiker - Once more, nobody is disagreeing that the parties are unethically swayed. (read my post, I already said that - it was half of my point, that that is acknolwedged)

The rest of your post is a matter of political viewpoint and I disagree with most of it, but it's irrelevant to what I was saying anyways except that it is just another attempt to say "Repubs and Dems are bad, independent thinkers are good".

Again, dead horse.”

“I'm agreeing with your original statement man. As far as the rest being my personal opinion.... well.... been sick lately and needed a prescription that you had to pay for? Been to Lowe's or Home Depot lately and got out for less than $50? Been grocery shopping and got out for less than $150? Priced a new car? Looked at what has happened to the Dow this past week and going on right now? (Unless the PPT gets busy this afternoon.)”

“Iraq is not a dead horse? A look at the finacials' collapse and reviewing the reasons brings back the lack of need for more attacks by THEM. Almost Zero interest rates in reaction to some well placed airplane crashes will live with this country for a few more years as the great revenue stream reverses in 'C' fashion. Yes, for nine months the tax brAKes actually increased revenues. Very unusual situation at this time in the presidental cycle.”

“solitary hiker - Again, you're missing the point I was making. It's irrelevant whether or not I agree with you on these political points (which I don't) - the point is that we all agree Republicans and Democrats are evil. Beating the drum that that is the case, and claiming intellectual victory over everyone else because one is an "Independent", or a whatever is pointless when discussing particular issues. It's an issue in itself, but not a solution or an argument in other issues. (if you're wondering why I've repeated myself, it's because you've put a healthcare issue on a thread about the draft, so you're either confusing the two issues, or you're still trying to debate the point about the 2 party system and how that relates to issues.)

uncliff - *rolls eyes* ... who said Iraq is a dead horse? *rolls eyes*
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“solitary hiker - look for my responses to your questions on the economy thread”

“Be sure to keep us up to date on the construction.”

“The Jews say they aren't a race:

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

Your Islamic brothers say they are not a race:

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/race.htm

Even the wacked out Jews For Allah say they are not a race:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-not-for-Judaism/jews_are_not_a_race.htm

So who does think they are a race?

"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

Adolf Hitler, January 31, 1939”

“It was only after and as a reaction to Hitler that Jews didn't want to be considered a race. As your third link said in 1980 the Supreme Court ruled that Jews were indeed a race and therefore had protection under certain American anti-descrimination laws. As far as the part about some Jews being angry that they were considered a race. For every Jew who said they weren't a race there were probably two Jewish lawyers at the Court filing briefs that said they were.

Jews want it both ways. They want to be considered a race if and when it gives them an advantage or futhers ethnocentrism. But if their religious teachings, ethnicity, or culture show racist tendencies then anyone who says they are a race is an anti-semite or NAZI.

The fact is that if there is a genetic factor in the equation, and I would call matrilineal descendentcy a genetic factor, then there is a Jewish race. So the Supreme Court ruled correctly and Hitler was right about race.

PS: He was also right about Bolshevism.
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“boy, you sure do blow where ever the wind blows concerning government, don't ya? They're the evil empire when they don't agree with you but great when they do.

Hmmm, you disagree with me but agree with Hitler? Wow, I can't believe it! [sarcasm]”