Iraq is now going critical!

“This morning, from a cave somewhere in Pakistan , Taliban Minister of Migration, Mohammed Omar, warned the United States and Canada that if military action against Iraq continues, Taliban authorities will cut off America's and Canada's supply of convenience store managers.

And if this action does not yield sufficient results, cab drivers will be next, followed by HP, Dell and Sprint customer service reps.”

“LOL>>.we will replace them with immigrants from India (LOL).

Everytime I see this stuff bout negotiations I remember Bill Cosby and his first time he spanked his son...apparently his son had taken up LYING.

So he took him to the wood shed (barn) and told him to grab his ankles. Then he said he told his son to relax he wasn't going to spank him...as his son relaxed he HIT him. LOL...he said he then told him...."I am sorry I lied, but I am pretty sure you don't want me lying anymore."”

“Something I said on here years ago - being a soldier in Iraq is relatively safe.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311644,00.html

Government Report: More Military Deaths in Some Years of Peace Than War

More active members of the military died during two years of peacetime in the early 1980s than died during a two-year period of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a government report.

I think I also mentioned I saw more deaths in peacetime than the typical American realizes. There are many accidents (mostly vehicular or vehicular related) that cause deaths.”

“Mixing up contexts and support "it" with a Fox "News" link......FLMAO!”

“What was our total military size in 82 compared to now? Comparing numbers is less relevant than percentages. I wonder how that fatality rate compares to the general populace? Also, the 82 #'s are interesting....145 by homicide and 241 self-inflicted,.”

“Odd how this story comes out from Fox Entertainment on the heals of the CBS story of the suicide rate among veterans.....”

“This more comprehensive article about the CRS report addresses all that.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200711/NAT20071112a.html”

“It is going critical from the libbie Defeatocrat point of view...LOL The best part will be in 20 or so years when we get a critical review of the information from the Fallen Iranian government (like when the USSR fell) and we find that everything we were saying was true.”

“It's not critical until it goes plaid.”

“Isn't that Ludicrous Speed?

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“http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/come-home.htm

excerpts -

Most Reverend Shlemon Warduni, Auxiliary Bishop of the St. Peter the Apostle Catholic Diocese for Chaldeans and Assyrians in Iraq officiated standing directly beneath the dome under the Chaldean cross. Speaking in both Arabic and English, Bishop Warduni thanked those American soldiers sitting in the pews for their sacrifices. Again and again, throughout the service, he thanked the Americans.

LTC Stephen Michael at St John’s. LTC Michael told me today that when al Qaeda came to Dora, they began harassing Christians first, charging them “rent.” It was the local Muslims, according to LTC Michael, who first came to him for help to protect the Christians in his area. That’s right. LTC Michael told me more than once that the Muslims reached out to him to protect the Christians from al Qaeda. Real Muslims here are quick to say that al Qaeda members are not true Muslims. From charging “rent,” al Qaeda’s harassment escalated to killing Christians, and also Muslims. Untold thousands of Christians and Muslims fled Baghdad in the wake of the darkness of civil war. Most of the Christians are gone now; having fled to Syria, Jordan or Northern Iraq.

Come home, come home,
Ye who are weary, come home;

Will L. Thompson, “Softly and Tenderly””

“LOL....We are such BAAAD people.”

“Where's the Government, Ah? Or did we forget reasons 1-649 for being in Iraq?”

“Ludicrous speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7tc9pVvYg”

“Thank you Dayhiker...I needed the laugh today...(LOL)”

“Sarge follows Fox as into a lesson in confusion through misuse of statistics.

As Dayhiker points out, there were more active duty military in the 1980s than now. There were over 2 million back in the 80s, around 1.4 million in recent years. What's more important if we are looking at danger and safety for our troops in Iraq is to compare the risk to troops in Iraq vs. ones elsewhere.

Even more important is to consider how few troops were in Iraq compared to the total number of active military. In 2006 about 1/10th of all US military were in Iraq. Deaths in Iraq for US military were over 800. If the death rate for all active US military personnel were that high, we would have over 8000 dead in '06. If we were to apply the same death rate to all US troops serving in 1981, we would have around 12,000 dead. So, despite the games Fox and others keep trying to play - it was, as common sense would tell you, many more times as deadly to be stationed in Iraq as it was to be stationed away from combat whether it is today or the early 1980s.

The numbers are even worse when you look at severe injuries. One remarkable thing about this war is the quality of the medical care. The survival rate for those with sever injuries has been remarkable.
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“I wonder if NG duty is factored into that? In other words, with all the NG guys over there is that factored into the total active duty #?”

“Yep, plaid.”

“Sale I think I will stick with the 3000 reasons for being there......”

“Sarge follows Fox as into a lesson in confusion through misuse of statistics.

Another unprovoked personal attack that will never be apologized for.

If you have something specific to say about something I've said, say it. Otherwise, cut the nonsense.”

“Keep your string of wrongs, you can count them over and over while Fox Noose jabbers in the background . Say high to Billo and the other string weights over they're at Newz Carp.”

“Speaking of stats, google desertion for the last 7 years and join the confusion.”

“Sarge: It's not a personal attack. It is a statement of fact. You followed Fox's totally misleading line once again. We went through almost the same discussion once before when you trumpeted the same kind of Fox spin. Fox and others present absurd and misleading versions of statistics to someone minimize the significance of the loss of life in Iraq and you presented their stuff as correct and trumpeted the the most ludicrous of their implications (that being a soldier in Iraq is relatively safe).

I gave you a very specific and factual rebuttal, just as I did last time.

If someone was going to apologize, I think you should do it for parotting such BS again.”

“Fox has more in common with The 700 Club.

"Here's the conclusion we want.  Now let's see what we can find to support it."


Even though Roger Ailes has a long 'conservative' history (almost said 'rap sheet' LOL), I don't think Murdoch does.  He simply saw a market segment that wasn't being exploited and filled the vacuum.... purely to generate large sums of money.”

“pedxing - What in hell are you talking about? Are you talking about the post from 2 days ago or the one from today?

If you're talking about the one from 2 days ago, how could I have been parroting Fox if I (as I even said) said that same thing on here years ago. If anything, we're in agreement, but that couldn't possibly be construed as a "parrot". If anything, they parroted me. Did you even read the post?

If you're talking about the one from today and the references to safety in Iraq, this isn't even Fox!!
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“Oh Here's a freakin' Classic:  Al Franken at the National Conference on Media Reform (Nov. 2003) speaking about his then-latest book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right....


"Here's an example. This is from August 26th -- Brit Hume. Also from the Fox News channel -- from his Grapevine segment of his show.

This is a quote. He said "277 U.S. soldiers have now died in Iraq, which means that statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying from all causes in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California, which is roughly the same geographical size."

"The most recent statistics indicate that California has more than 2300 homicides each year, which means about 6.6 murders each day. Meanwhile, our U.S. troops have been in Iraq for 160 days, which means they are incurring about 1.7 deaths, including illness and accidents each day."

Well, yeah. But also the most recent statistics show that there are 34 million people living in California and there are 133,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Which actually means that our troops in Iraq are about 65 times more likely to be killed than citizens in California.

And for each one of our soldiers who's killed, five or six are wounded and maimed. Now when this was pointed out to Brit, his response was, and this was in the Washington Post, he said, "Admittedly, it was a crude comparison".

"But it was a illustrative of something."

And I agree. I agree.

It's illustrative of how shameless, how shameless these guys are."


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/10/1511221”

“So Hume was spreading that fertilizer over four years ago and it's still making the rounds??  

oh well ----”

“Sarge follows Fox as into a lesson in confusion through misuse of statistics.

The use of statistics from over there in some cases is down right criminal. Ya know these groups that claim a million Iraqis are dead? Where do they get number? Every single time someone dies in a war zone it gets counted. Habibi wrecks his camel into the camel in front of him, falls off his camel and breaks his neck and dies...it gets counted. A little baby dies of SIDS...it gets counted. A Muslim kills his daughter in an honor killing...it gets counted. And all these accidents and natural cause d deaths get thrown around like it was a soldier who killed them.”

“Nigal - I agree Fox has no monopoly on using screwy statistics, or screwing with decent statistics. The big BJM death rate studies - tried to look at the increased death rate from all causes since the war started. So definitely its either sleazy or stupid to blame the deaths on the the US military. Its more reasonable, though still arguable, to claim is that the increased death rate can be blamed on the war and can argue against the notion that Iraqis are better off now. Part of the assumption behind the stats is that if more kids die from infections, it is linked to the war somehow (decreased sanitation, decreased access to medical care - whether it is insurgent activity, allied activity, or something else that causes it).


Sarge - I was talking about the post where you linked to Fox (10:13:09 AM
11/14/07). The last time you presented this you also linked to stats being put out on Fox (I think it was even a link to Fox, but I don't remember for sure) and I debunked it with a careful look at the numbers.

The point is you link to them and quote their conclusions with your agreement and without qualifications. I call that parroting. I noted the fact you bought into this BS quite a while ago and are repeating it again, despite having it disproven.”

“It was not disproven.

and can argue against the notion that Iraqis are better off now

Perhaps the reason you think you did disprove has something to do with your incredible misunderstanding of reality.”

“Remember the Maine.”