There's No Business Like Shoah-Business

“sing that to the tune of "We're an American Band" by GFR


Time to let some gas out of another sacred cow. Here's a read about Frank Collins, the American Fuehrer. Maybe this is XLax's real name.

http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm”

“That judicial inc stuff on the holocaust is a truly disgusting pack of lies. The idea that the Holocaust entered public awareness in the late 70s and the gas chambers were a late fabrication is really a gross and inescusable bit of holocaust denial propaganda. Its one thing to say that some people have exploited it for personal or political gain. Some have - when billions are handed out in reparations, there will be corruption. When any even evokes such passion, some will exploit the rhetorical force.

Really though, this crap goes beyond the bounds of human decency.

Collins appears to have been a twisted, damaged, guy who hated his jewish father and was in some kind of denial.

The pairing of Collins with the inuendos about holocaust invention is evil and twisted.”

“SH88...the Holocaust happened ....I had a close friend in Highschool who was a retired Major from the US Army who was on Patton's staff. He had horrifying photos of Dachau, and other locations with him working to help the suffering. He told me the only time he truly laughed after that was when they would catch the Nazis and put them in the prison camps with their former charges. The prisoners were pretty good and could keep them alive for many hours before letting them die.

Most importantly I had two close friends. One owned a jewelry business. He wore (until the day he died) a number on the inside of his arm. HE was 13 when he and his family were finally captured by the Nazis. He father was smart enough to push him and his twin brother together as they exited the train in Auschwitz. My friend and his brother walked up to a VERY dapperly dressed man who (to the sound of classical music) was designating "left or right" he and his brother went One way...his Father, mother, two sisters went to the chambers.

MY friend was a subject of the "Angel of Death's" studies. He had his gnip gnops removed (at the age of 14 without anesthesia) as he screamed on the table. His brother was injected with various substances to "change him". His brother died of Cholera (and infections that went systemic). My friend survived because he had apprenticed to a Jeweler and could sort the valuable taken off the prisoner.

I could go on..but you are a racist disgusting waste of chormasomes. I have run into your type twice in my life. One time it was in an emergency medical situation and I really had to remember my oath. Your type disgusts me to no end. The desire you have comes mostly from a Chronic case of inferiority that can only be salved by picking on others. You see hatred of a people as a sufficient way to better yourself. You sir are now relegated to the buzzing of the Troll Hiker Boy”

“SH88, when you first started posting your propaganda on the Jew/Pali conflict here recently, why did you hide the Holocaust Denier aspect of your 88-hatred? Why keep it a secret then, only to eructate it now and blow whatever little speck of credibility you might have had left?”

“I agree mutt, there is free speech and there is truly psychotic/sociopathic behavior. SH88 has crossed the line.”

“I'm just posting links to sites. Let's make no mistake. The Holocaust(Shoah)did happen. I'm not denying that. What I do question is was the jewish holocaust any different or more significant than other holocausts in the 20th century. Here's some things that need addressing about the jewish holocaust.

1) Did six million jews die in the jewish holocaust of WWII? Was it seven million? Was it two million?

2) At the end of WWI (1918) some jewish leaders in the West also claimed that six million jews had died in that war. What is significant (religiously) about the number
six million?

3)Why do people in Europe face serious jail time for not agreeing with the official six million number?

4) Does the Truth need jails?

pedXing
Some have - when billions are handed out in reparations, there will be corruption.

According to Finklestein this is not mere corrupt as you call it, but extortion on a grand scale. These people have/are extorting Western governments and corporations for vast sums of money and very little of the money is going to actual holocaust survivors. This is worse than extortion. This is stealing from the very people they claim to be helping.

That Joeseph Cohen (aka Frank Collins)was a cretin there is no doubt. The real question is was he a real NAZI or a jewish plant to draw attention to a subject that "justified" or covered Israeli behavior towards the Palestinians.
last edited: 9/04/07 7:44:02 AM”

“Theres the buzzing again...like a little nazi when you pull on top of them and spin the treads.”

“The don't shoot the messenger shtick is getting old. There are tons and tons of web sites out there on almost any topic. The fact that you seem to choose truly reprehensible folks to educate yourself and back up your opinions is telling. If you are only on the web looking for confirmation to post here, shouldn't it tell you something that these are the folks who keep agreeing with you?

The paranoia on the holocaust is getting weird. The justification for Israel's military actions has been terrorism, military attacks and the never rescinded declarations of war. This has been what the defenders of the most agressive Israeli policies have said.

The Holocaust may have been seen as justification for the founding of Israel. Certainly a lot of Jews, including some that I met, noticed that the Zionists in their family survived the Holocaust while the assimilationists did not (of course, going to America worked as well). A lot of early Zionists started out as people who resisted the pull of nationalism, until they saw how many Jews and Jewish communities were getting wiped out by nationalists while they remained internationalists. The Holocaust was a genuine motivator for many many Zionists.

The paranoia about Collins seems pretty weird to me.”

“The don't shoot the messenger shtick is getting old. There are tons and tons of web sites out there on almost any topic. The fact that you seem to choose truly reprehensible folks to educate yourself and back up your opinions is telling.

Bull$hit. Finklestein and the other site (as bad as it is) ask legitimate questions. The same goes for jewcy.com. Most of the sites I link to are either official jewish newspaper sites or sites made for and read by jewish people. Yeah I do use some Palestinian sites but mainly to document what jewish sites don't want you to know. As an example where am I going to find a map of the original UN partition of Palestine in 1947? Think I'll find it on a paddles or XL site?

pedXing you try to act you just an objective observer in all this. You're not. Your excuses and half truths facilitate what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian people. You are just as guilty as the zionists you defend. What makes you really angry is that I go out and find sites that show the hypocracy of the zionist Israelis and their true nature. The zionist Israelis are nothing but NAZIs in new clothes. They are everything they say they hate. Even worse. So save your indignation for DemocRAT vs RepubliCON threads. It doesn't wash with me.
last edited: 9/04/07 8:43:21 AM”

“I have no problem with using Pali sites. In talking about a conflict it helps to look at both sides no matter what you believe.

I'm hugely opposed to a lot what Israel does. I think Sharon, is and was a war criminal. I think the Likud governments attempts to make life harder for Palestinians in the West Bank in order drive them off was a major cause of the Intifada. So if you want harsh criticism of the Israeli government, I might be on your side. However, when you say "The Zionist Israelis are nothing but NAZIs in new clothes" you show lose all credibility. I don't have a word for what happens when you add "They are everything they say they hate. Even worse." If you can't see the difference, there really is no reasoning with you.

The same things happens with Bush. I think he is an abyssmal president. The grab he and his clique have made for wealth and power was not only immoral, but stupid - bad for this country and bad for the world. I think his policies have nudged the country further from a real democracy. However, if anyone tries to tell me that the American government is fascist already - that Bush is as big a dictator as Saddam, they are either speaking in silly hyperbole or they are truly nuts. If they can't tell the difference between the rights of dissent under Bush and the rights under Saddam - they loose all credibility.

Am I objective? Geez, no one can be 100% objective. I try to be clear headed and look at facts. I have opinions and intellectual commitments and they surely color how I think and what facts I look at most closely and where I go to learn. I try to relish the chance to be proven wrong - it means I've learned something. It means my vast ignorance has decreased by some small part.

Last time I was flat out proven wrong here was when I argued with Mutt about whether or not you were doing extreme scape-goating of Israel.”

“XL, we have a topic we can agree on. SH has been the only person on my ignore list long-term.”

“these clowns but these questions have credibility. I'll quote myself

1. Did six million jews die in the jewish holocaust of WWII? Was it seven million? Was it two million?

2) At the end of WWI (1918) some jewish leaders in the West also claimed that six million jews had died in that war. What is significant (religiously) about the number
six million?

3)Why do people in Europe face serious jail time for not agreeing with the official six million number?

4) Does the Truth need jails?

You can dodge these issues on TT but don't think they aren't being asked all over the internet.

Finally pedXing, if they zionist Israelis aren't acting like the NAZIs who are they acting like?

techntrek
Am I supposed to care and if I'm on ignore then why are you here? It doesn't matter, keep posting. Like I said I plan on keeping these issues on the top of the Fuego list.
last edited: 9/04/07 11:51:01 AM”

“The Israelis seem to love to throw the Hitler name around and call anyone they don't like a NAZI. Saddam Hussein was the new Hitler. The president of Iran (whatever his name is) is the new Hitler. So I guess I'm supposed to play by another set of rules and call them "a people without land for a land without people"? They have the land because they stole it. They keep the land because they act like NAZIs.”

“Tech...I am sorry but there is a point where this is starting to resemble the loons on the late night talk shows who tell us how all the secret societies are running our lives. I have to listen to these people (both sides of the political spectrum) occasionally and all they keep doing is blaming someone else for their own problems.

I have an acquaintance who was a member (heck I guess he still is) of the MORAL MAJORITY (the Christian Taliban) and he blames "R Rated movies" or "Video Games" or certain races for his problems. He got fired from a job as an accountant becuase he was an idiot and the guy who replaced him (granted of Eastern Indian Descent) is one of those self made heroes.

I finally had to tell him to STFU, the trouble with people who identify ALL people in a ethnic group do it out of ignorance.”

“For the record. I never identified jews as being the problem. I always identified zionists, Israeli culture, and the Israeli government as the problem. I can link to a dozens of websites written and maintained by jewish people who know that what the Israelis are doing is wrong.

You can try to rationalize the racist apartheid nature of Israel but you risk helping destroy everything you love in that country. Make no mistake, if the Israelis continue down the path they seem to have chosen there will be no Israel by the 21st century. What I'm telling you will save Israel. Take your blinders off and consider that. Honestly do the math. Do you really think that Israel will stop all Muslim countries from getting the bomb? If you can't say positively that they will then you have to consider that sometime in the next one hundred years someone will get it. And they will use it against the Israelis if the Israelis continue to stir this hornets nest. You play with fire you get burned.

On these threads I have asked real questions. Questions you guys don't like. Questions you don't want to answer because they point out obvious problems with your logic. You have tried the smear game. In the old days the smear game worked. I tell you it doesn't work with me. These issues are not going away.”

“This article is a hoot.

http://www.jewcy.com/daily_shvitz/no_business_like_shoah_business”

“Jewish banks waiting on holocaust victims to die so they won't have to give up the money the Shoah Biz folks have extorted or the banks seized.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3445544,00.html
last edited: 9/05/07 8:57:38 AM”

“Gee Sol - if you read and reported without such bias you would have noted and mentioned that the Money was seized under the British Mandate Government as part of their attack on “property of enemy state residents”. In other words, by a government who considered Jews in Israel to be enemies.”

“the banks seized.

That was what I meant. But I'll find some more stories. Every week in ynetnews there is a story about holocaust survivors getting nothing while banks and other organizations keep all the money. It's extortion and a dirty stealing scam and that is what Finklestein has been saying all along.
last edited: 9/05/07 1:51:56 PM”

“In other words, by a government who considered Jews in Israel to be enemies.”

I think that the British authorities in Palestine instructed banking institutions licensed to operate in BRITISH PALESTINE to seize the assets of individuals or organizations the government had reason to believe were zionist terrorists. Groups like the Stern Gang and the Irgun. You know the guys who blew up the King David Hotel? And it must be a legitimate tactic as that is what George Bush has been doing for seven years now to Muslims/terrorists.

The question you have to ask yourself is why are the banking institutions, which are now thoroughly Israeli, still holding the money? It has been nigh 60 years since independence was declared. The terrorist Stern Gang and Irgun are heroes of the Israeli state!
last edited: 9/05/07 5:27:49 PM”

“What most dont know ,is that the jew's at the time came in and UNDERCUT all of the german store owners.That played into his hands for power.

Are death #'s balloned....of course.”

“http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/104046.html

Is the real reason the ADL is against this legislation because of Turkey/US/Israeli relations or because they don't want the world to find out who the people were that instigated this genocide? Google "Young Turks Armenian genocide."”

“S.H.

The Jews run the USA.....and that is a FACT.”

“A cold hard fact.”

“Sol - you said "Jewish Banks" at the start of your sentence that ended with "the banks seized" so quoting yourself is no rebuttal to the fact that you ignored the fact that it was non-Jewish banks seizing the assetts as part of an anti-Zionist move by the Mandatory government.

Any intellectual honesty available here?”

“Money.....TV.....owner....THE J.....fact.”

“The banks were licensed to operate in British Palestine. The money was seized from Jewish terrorist organizations. Today those organizations are lauded throughout Israel. The banks still exist but are thoroughly Israeli. The Israeli government has jurisdiction over this matter. The aftermentioned JEWISH banks are holding the money and have made money off of this money for 60 years. The owners of this money grow older everyday.

So you tell me pedXing, why won't these Jewish banks give the money back? And while you're at it explain to me why of the billions and billions of dollars extorted from European governments and companies for holocaust victims are there so many of them living in poverty?
last edited: 9/09/07 5:02:14 AM”

“I don't know who you are and frankly I don't care. You could be for real or you could be a Nigal/Mutt troll, maybe some of XLax's diahrrea, possibly paddles and maybe even pedXing. Your posts strike me as something they would do. If you have information from good sources that prove your premises then link to them. Otherwise please stand aside, watch and learn. I don't need any "help" when arguing with the brainwashed masses. Let me make my points in my way. Thank you.”

“For those of you who don't know why the government of British Palestine had the banks seize the money here's the basic reason. At the end of WWII ethnics jews were flooding into Palestine. Some of the people were in organizations like the radical zionist Irgun, the Stern Gang, and others. These were organizations hell bent on driving the British out of Palestine so they could then run the indigenous population of out of Palestine and set up the independent state of Israel. Who was the indigenous population? Why the Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Christians of course. The way the zionist did this was through terror. That's right the very thing the Israelis cry and whine about now. Want to know what these zionist organistions did. See the links below.

http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html

This is what they did after the British left.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html#1948”

“You could be for real or you could be a Nigal/Mutt troll,

It's not me dude. If I say something I want the credit. :)”

“I love what you can find on the net.

http://www.ziopedia.org/en/articles/holocaust%10revisionism/israel%e2%80%99s_unexpected_spinoff_from_a_holocaust_trial/”

“I'm glad you learned a little something Sol, even if you had to spin it and follow it with some distortions and sick inuendos.

Then you go on and say trolling as cold is something I among other would do.”

“I didn't learn anything. I knew this all along. Just my way of introducing the subject matter of Jewish Terrorism with a capital 'T'. For their entire lives the hoi polloi have heard the MSM preach Palestinian terror. It's time they learned the truth about the real terrorists in this conflict.

Then you go on and say trolling as cold is something I among other would do

Care to decipher this for me.”

“Then you go on and say trolling as cold is something I among other would do

Care to decipher this for me.”
solitary hiker
5:26:30 AM
9/10/07

Cold
“I don't know who you are and frankly I don't care. You could be for real or you could be a Nigal/Mutt troll, maybe some of XLax's diahrrea, possibly paddles and maybe even pedXing. Your posts strike me as something they would do.
solitary hiker
6:09:14 AM
9/09/07”

“Sol... look again at your very misleading post. Just the one sentence, followed by a link:

“Jewish banks waiting on holocaust victims to die so they won't have to give up the money the Shoah Biz folks have extorted or the banks seized.

solitary hiker
5:26:30 AM
9/10/07


If you knew the banks hadn't seized the money, why did you say they did? If you knew it was the Mandatory Government that seized the money in a move aimed against Zionists, why did you write just one sentence begining with "Jewish Banks"?

Ignorance and selective attention, or a deliberate distorting spin seem the only plausible explanation for misinformation + a very misleading formulation. Or are you trying to plead two significant random distortions that just happened to feed your evil Jewish Israeli's thing?”

“I knew the banks had seized the money. I knew who ran the banks too. The banks were Jewish controlled in British Palestine and they are Jewish now. Some of the people in the Irgun, Hannagah,(sp?) and Stern gang were holocaust survivers. And the Jewish banks have been holding their money for 60 years.

How does that old say go "There is no honor among thieves?" Yeah that's it.

radical zionists = thieves (see stealing thread above)

Jewish banks holding the money for 60 years = thieves

Any ambiguity there ped? Are you getting my drift?”

“I'm getting your drift. Please keep it down wind.”

“S.H...Not to be mean ,but you dont own the board, and speaking nasty about Real people is uncalled for that you dont even know.”

“Your posts lack links to source material. If you have an objective source post it. And no NAZI stuff. They call me a NAZI because I post jewish sites that disagree with their rose-colored paradigm.

BTW this is my thread and although I can't stop you from posting I can make you look stupid. This thread is about the plight of the Palestinian people. If you want to help the Palestinians do it in a way that recognizes that there are good people on both sides. My advice is to go to some of the sites I link to and read everything you can about this issue. I think you will find that the MSM is not telling the American people the truth.”

“Yeah, I get your biased drift. It doesn't matter that the Mandatory government seized the bank in an anti-Zionist move. Your continue to say the banks did it and that the banks were Zionist at the time because it fits in nicely with your biased perceptions.

You had a clear choice here. You chose not to respond to logic, reason or evidence. You prefer to sling muck and challenge folks to a muck slinging contest. I hope you re-think this and gain a little insight, you often have useful things to say - but for now, I am discouraged. I can't see how discussing this with you is worth the time. You seem to have even less credibility with others than with me, so I needn't bother refuting what you say out of a worry that someone else might be misled.”

“Your continue to say the banks did it and that the banks were Zionist at the time because it fits in nicely with your biased perceptions.

This has gone on long enough. I never said they were zionist banks. I said they were jewish banks licensed to operate in British Palestine. The banks did what they were required to do by British law in Palestine. Why they continued to hold the money after Israel became an independent country is the question I'm asking. The money is not in Britain. The money is in Israel.

Finally, if you don't know the difference between Jewish banks and zionist banks you have a problem. Not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews.”

“It's like Finklestein's parents (true holocaust victim) used to say, "If all these people who claim to be holocaust survivors really are survivors then who did Hitler kill?"

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903353.html

This is the kicker quote

Until now, the Claims Conference granted stipends only to survivors with a monthly income of under NIS 6,500.

So an Israeli group, the Claims Conference, receives the money from the German government and then decides who gets the money. I wonder how many Claims Conference salaries are paid and how much interest is made on this money for the "survivors"?”

“SH,you just post links that you think is true?Even you should know the # games that have been played for years.

How many links # of MIA in the 60-70's.

LINK'S =CANDY LITTLE GIRL...SAD SO SAD.”

“radical zionists = thieves (see stealing thread above)

Jewish banks holding the money for 60 years = thieves

solitary hiker
5:16:16 PM
9/10/07

You seem to slide happily back and forth from Jewish to Zionist and your equation puts 'em together.

And - you haven't acknowledged that the banks didn't seize the money.”

“Well if the banks didn't seize the money why are they holding it now?”

““Well if the banks didn't seize the money why are they holding it now?”
solitary hiker
10:37:14 AM
9/12/07

Hey its your article that says the Mandatory Government seized it in a move aimed against Zionists. Presumably they decided where to keep the seized assetts.”

“You can't seem to get past the idea of the mandate government seizing the money or why. In 1939 zionists were fighting to expel the British from Palestine. Shortly thereafter Edwin Rommel and the Afrika Korps were trying to do the same thing! Therefore one can conclude the zionists were defacto allies of the NAZIs. How the mandate government seized the money is the question. Did they go to the Anglo-Palestine Bank, pull their weapons, and make a forced withdrawal? Probably not. They probably just had the Anglo-Palestine Bank freeze the assets of the zionists. And there the assets probably sat. That would surely explain why the money is where it is now.

But let's go back to 1948. In May'48 the British leave Palestine for UN partition. But the Israelis (less than 10 percent of the total Palestinian population) decided they couldn't live with the 51 percent of the land the UN had appropriated for them. So the Israelis started a war (ethnic cleansing) against the civilian Arabic population and declared independence.

So where was the money? Well at some time the Anglo-Palestine Bank became the Leumi Bank. The Leumi Bank is a totally jewish controlled bank in occupied Palestine "Israel". And they kept the money. And they have had the money for 60 years. And they don't want to give the money back to the rightful owners or their heirs. Don't believe it. Do a Goggle search on "Leumi Bank holocaust money". Here's just one article I found. There are many others.

http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0219.htm

So pedXL you can continue to split hairs about exactly how the money was "seized". Your attempt at diversions only delay the final and real question.

Why do Jewish banks continue to hold money that belongs to holocaust victims or their heirs?

From appearances they want these holocaust victims to die off so they (the principal shareholders) can keep this money for themselves. You know, I bet the principal shareholders were kapos in the camps also.
last edited: 9/18/07 9:49:45 AM”