very disturbing Islam site on women

“This disturbs me but I posted it because I have talked to humanitarian aide workers who have shared their stories with me.

Islam trys to paint itself as tolerant and enlightened in regards to women.I post this only to show the truth.It is not done to slam arabs or muslims but to show people what true Islam is.

I understand there are moderate muslims,In my area they are doing their best to keep radical Islam out,but they face a big menace.We recently had a group of muslim men attempt tp pull their daughters from school,because they were only women.

http://geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/TreatingWomen.html”

“Considering the world situation, I find it equally disturbing that the so-called "moderate" Muslims don't do enough to denounce the extremists. I don't think the moderates are as "moderate" as they claim.”

“Sarge, you can't swim unless you get outta the boat......”

“Yep...been seeing this type of stuff since...OH JIMUH surrendered to Iran in the 1970's.

But you know most libbies are kinda like the Belgians, French, Dutch, Austrians, Czechs, etc etc in the early 1930's. They are disgusted by what they see, they truly are, but they just don't think it will EVER be a problem as long as the VOICE their disgust. (LOL)”

“chappy, your expression could be taken different ways depending on who you apply it to. Please explain.”

“fuego anyone?”

“on toast no less................”

“the waters deep, but stones do float......”

“Mutt, my first thought was what do Christians do to speak out against abortion clinic bombers, for example. I do think the difference is an order of magnitude or two different. That is not meant to minimize the bombers at all, but more from a numbers standpoint.”

“I believe the Christians come out in mass denouncing abortion clinic murders (how many have their been in the last 30 years?), especially considering the order of magnitude, but even when not.”

“chappy, are you trying to be prophetic today? How cute!”

“I read some of those links on Muslim rape. I had no idea that sort of thing was happening.”

“Sarge, I guess my point is when I see the really militant folks on TV like the protesters with bloody baby dolls, and God hates fags posters do I do anything other than shake my head? My comment was probably as much internal as external. I should have clarified.”

“I see.

Yeah, I think the Christian community is very vocal about denouncing that family's actions.”

“think the Christian community is very vocal about denouncing that family's actions.”

not that ive heard”

“ok, anyone who pays attention to the story of the family has heard. People who sit around playing their Atari maybe haven't.”

“actually, i have heard some denouncing from the christians, but they were denouncing the protesting at military funerals part (conveniently leaving out the gay-bashing), and making them out to be liberal soldier-haters”

““I read some of those links on Muslim rape. I had no idea that sort of thing was happening.”
dayhiker
8:46:56 AM
9/26/07


“Sarge, I guess my point is when I see the really militant folks on TV like the protesters with bloody baby dolls, and God hates fags posters do I do anything other than shake my head? My comment was probably as much internal as external. I should have clarified.”
dayhiker
8:48:34 AM
9/26/07
ignore this user

Dayhiker, I love you man, but can you really equate those two situations as similar?”

“dayhiker...I am just hoping against HOPE that your "muslim rape" comment was sarcasm....

If someone does not know the real THREATS of Islamic Fascisim, they really need to stay out of the whole war debate.”

“"muslim rape"

so when michael vick was killing dogs, it was improper to "blame the culture", but now that its muslims that are doing something wrong, all of a sudden we are blaming the culture? i guess individual accountability dont mean sht”

“crash - Vick wasn't doing it "in the name of football players". The muslims do it "in the name of Islam".”

“i didnt say a damn thing about football players”

“what culture are you talking about ...

blacks? I live in the south and never thought dog fights were a black thing.

poor country bumpkins? Again, I live in the south and have been a poor country bumpkin and never felt pressured to go to a dogfight.

Maybe if you are talking about white trash rednecks, then maybe I will agree their is a small minority that get off on that thing, but its not a culture as referenced for a large social group.

Maybe its a bayou thing, I don't know since I have no experience there.


BTW, there is a difference between a subculture that the rest of society frowns upon and a culture that is supported by law (in this case islamic law http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/trust/news/story/2006/03/060307_piece_by_rafaqat_ali.shtml )
last edited: 9/26/07 6:41:10 AM”

“thug culture”

““i didnt say a damn thing about football players”

Ok, so which "culture" was causing him to do this? You fill in the blank. My point still is awesome.

PS - I used "football players" to illustrate the obsudity of saying it was his culture. We all know it wasn't the football culture, the black culture,the rich culture, the American culture, or any other culture. It was him.
last edited: 9/26/07 6:42:58 AM”

“exfckingzactly

and i blame those 14 @ssholes on the train for the rape of that poor aussie girl, not islam”

“Michael Vick is a member of Tony Hawks Underground?”

“ignoring my link crash bang? The story that reports these rules of evidence in Pakistan's court (I am not sure if these are before or after the changes in 2004, but no matter because it didn't get much better for women after them anyway) ...

Evidence

Evidence coming from non-Muslim witnesses cannot be accepted in the cases where the accused are Muslims. Their evidence is only accepted in cases that refer to non-Muslims, as these Islamic laws are also applicable to non-Muslims.

Testimonies from women in rape cases is excluded. "If a crime is committed in a place where there are only women, the rapist or thief cannot be brought to justice, because the only witnesses are women," said Justice Majida Rizvi, head of the government appointed National Commission on the Status of Women, in May 2004. ”

“no, i didnt see your link. im pretty sure you put it in there after i already read your post”

“probably, I went back and added it soon after posting.”

“nothing in there that actually says rape is ok. its all about who can and who cant testify in a criminal case”

“LOL...Um Crash you were commenting on Football Players...see (and this will be a shocker to you....) Michael Vick is a celebrity BECAUSE HE IS A FOOTBALL PLAYER.

The thing with any "religion" heck any belief is that IT can be misused...(or does anyone remember the Fists of Righteous Harmony in China? NO...? read up

The danger is not the people who Believe differently, or demand we change to see their way (thats all that thing called Freedom of Speech. Granted Freedom of Speech is not the RIGHT TO BE HEARD but thats another subject.

No the danger is people who will use violence or force to MAKE us change to their way.”

“kind of like dogs can't testify against vick? are you saying women should be treated the same as dogs?”

“Dayhiker, I love you man, but can you really equate those two situations as similar?”
hyway
6:34:54 AM
9/26/07

No, I was not equating them. Just a comment since I didn't know that sort of thing was out there.





dayhiker...I am just hoping against HOPE that your "muslim rape" comment was sarcasm....

If someone does not know the real THREATS of Islamic Fascisim, they really need to stay out of the whole war debate.”
XL400236
6:40:34 AM
9/26/07

XL - I'm not in the war debate. I admitted I wasn't familiar with the issues and typically don't do fuego.
last edited: 9/26/07 7:31:21 AM”

“and i blame those 14 @ssholes on the train for the rape of that poor aussie girl, not islam

They did it in the name of Islam. It's taught by Islam. It's in their book. That's the difference. No NFL book has anything about torturing dogs.”

“Did anyone see the ESPN special last night...the "crowd" is equating the torture and abuse of dogs with the "photographing" of play calls by the Patriots.....

WOW...this is the same crowd that sees nothing really wrong with a multiple Gang rape of a couple in Tennessee (you know give the butha a break) but wants a HANGING for a racial comment.....”

“Um Crash you were commenting on Football Players...

michael vick is a thug who just happens to play football

kind of like dogs can't testify against vick? are you saying women should be treated the same as dogs?”

wow. talk about a stretch and/or an obvious troll


They did it in the name of Islam. It's taught by Islam. It's in their book. That's the difference

scripture and verse where it says RAPE is ok. i'll grant you that women are not on equal footing with men in islam. if rape is expressly permitted by the koran, then why are so many women muslims, and why are so many millions of muslim men non-rapists?”

“who is this "crowd" you speak of?”

“just performing a little misdirection similar to the way you equated killing dogs to raping women. ;)”

“Um watch the "crowd" that routinely riots to get criminals a BREAK.

Pretty much the "crowd" who protest people being held responsible for ACTIONS but see the real crime in WORDS>”

“my bad crash - I read over the "rape" part and thought you were talking about the train bombings. n/m

But, that's an exception. I'm sure all muslims don't do everything in the name of islam. We were talking about terrorism, etc. before you threw that in.
last edited: 9/26/07 7:45:45 AM”

“i was never talking about terrorism. i brought up the rape because it was in the link in the very first post of this thread
last edited: 9/26/07 7:40:22 AM”

“if rape is expressly permitted by the koran, then why are so many women muslims, and why are so many millions of muslim men non-rapists?”
- crash bang

First off we are talking about the culture (as supported by their courts) not the Koran. Secondly, if dog killing is expressly permitted by thug culture, then why are so many dogs hanging out with thugs, and why are so many millions of thugs non-dog killers?”

“although, the Koran does allow for sex with captivies in a time of war - which is what this is (a time of war)

Chapter 33 verse 50:
"O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncles on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage a privilege for thee only, not for the [rest of] believers. We are aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hand possess that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
last edited: 9/26/07 7:46:04 AM”

“then why are so many dogs hanging out with thugs

ummmm because they dont know better. are you saying a muslim woman is no smarter than a dog?

why are so many millions of thugs non-dog killers?”

for the same reason millions of muslim men are non-rapists. personal accountability”

“random women on a train are not spoils of war. those men were justifying their animal behavior by twisting scripture. thats on THEM”

“I agree crash - if those are not Muslim women that is. Otherwise, they have declared war on non-Muslims. Were they Muslim?”

“no you are the one equating women to dogs. But I will say that they are brought up with it from birth and to leave it means leaving everyone they know and love.

BTW, how do you know that rape isn't widespread in muslim countries. If its accepted and the raper pays the family for the rape it isn't reported. Or if the rape is within the family it isn't reported.”

“i never equated women to dogs. i see we've left the no-spin zone. i was contrasting certain attitudes about the michael vick case against attitudes in the "muslim rape" case”