thebackpacker.com - backpacking, hiking and camping Welcome to thebackpacker.com
create account   login  
     home : trailtalk
    articles  beginners  gear  links  pictures            

B-52 Nukes Headed for Iran?

View Messages

Viewing posts 1 to 34 of 34 messages posted.

To add this thread as a favorites, you need to first login.
 

This Is A Must Read
There are some weird stories going around the net about what really happened with this B-52 that was mistakenly loaded with 6 nuke armed cruise missles. Don't know that this is true BUT the fact is there are very strict protocols for the arming and transportation of nuclear weapons by the military. Read down in the article were a general who should know says that what happened is unpresidented in US military history since the advent of these types of weapons.

http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/national/messages/59386.html
last edited: 9/26/07 2:12:03 PM
solitary hiker
2:26:16 PM
9/26/07

Dead link.
Nigal
2:32:17 PM
9/26/07

With that thing in my VW bus ,I can't close the back door, Surfs Up!!!
uncliff
2:55:13 PM
9/26/07

Damn
It was a link to inside Wayne Madsen Reports. That's a subscription site now. I should've known to cut and paste that one. Basically what it said was that military people in the know tell WMR that there was no way for those nukes to go lost.

Unidentified sources are saying the Air Force command structure basically refused to have the nukes transported to the Middle East. They are saying that the Israeli strike in Syria and these nukes have or were supposed to have something to do with each other.

Reading between the lines could mean that there are elements inside the American intelligence agencies and the US military that are doing everything they can to put a monkey wrench into the machinations of Dick Cheney and man-boy George.

If the nukes were going to Iraq they would have left from Barksdale. A friend of mines cousin was a B-52 navigator who left the military about two years ago. He was stationed at Barksdale AFB. Either in Iraq I or Iraq II a Barksdale B-52 flew all the way from there to Iraq, delivered a payload on the Iraqi Army, and flew back, non-stop. They refueled along the way. I think it was 40 hours of flight time.

If this is true George Bush is insane. He needs to be impeached.
last edited: 9/26/07 4:01:57 PM
solitary hiker
4:11:17 PM
9/26/07

Iran should know that a lot of their sand will be turned into glass within minutes of Iran attempting to use any weapons of mass destruction to fulfill AmANutJob's stated goal of wiping Israel off the map.
prosecutor
4:18:55 PM
9/26/07

TIN ROOF.........................rusted!
crash bang
4:58:03 PM
9/26/07

That sounds logical Prosecutor
So why all "the sky is falling the sky is failing" crap from BushCo and the Israelis? I don't think the Iranians are any less logical than the Russians or the Chinese. And those powers have plenty of nukes. The Iranians are years away from having any. So why do the idiot leaders of the USA want to use nuclear weapons for the first time in over 62 years (without a state of war being declared I might add?) What is logical about that?
solitary hiker
5:11:07 PM
9/26/07

If this is true George Bush is insane. He needs to be impeached.

solitary hiker
4:11:17 PM
9/26/07

You are insane. Kill yourself.
bacpac
6:31:56 PM
9/26/07

The link is working again.

Here is what it says (in case it goes down again):





-- SPECIAL REPORT --
Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater
By Wayne Madsen
Sept. 24, 2007
Author's website

WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community.

Yesterday, the /Washington Post/ attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional
weapons.

The /Washington Post/ story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE.

Just as this report was being prepared, /Newsweek/ reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria.

WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a reputed Syrian nuclear facility in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran.

WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran.

PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident.

Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other.

The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays /Washington Post/. The article, titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing."

Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran.

CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.

Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to /Military Times/ on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media.

In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command.

Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey.

WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities.

The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. However, the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution.

This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained.

Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org -- or in the media.

The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since.

Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on the country's own role in nuclear proliferation, including its program to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. The role of Ronald Reagan's Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 /New York Times/ article titled, "3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and other governments.

There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's /Dominion Post/ reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea.

New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Thailand, Myanmar,
Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from leaving.

The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true intentions.

NOTE: WMR understands the risks to informed individuals in reporting the events of August 29/30, to the present time, that concern the discord within the U.S. Air Force, U.S. intelligence agencies, and other military services. Any source with relevant information and who wishes to contact us anonymously may drop off sealed correspondence at or send mail via the Postal Service to: Wayne Madsen, c/o The Front Desk, National Press Club, 13th Floor, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC, 20045.
Reverend Truth V Wicked
7:00:07 PM
9/26/07

Bush To Generals

Israel is going to be needing the water in Iraq. When the people take back this country and deport all the crazy neocons and illigrants that continue bounching back over the border when sent home, will need that water on the kibbutz on which they survive.
I'm sure Bush and Cheney will be happy to share bathing facilities with Larry and all the other fine rite wingers.
uncliff
6:12:52 AM
9/27/07

Uncliff....you been banging Cindy Sheehan?
XL400236
6:57:29 AM
9/27/07

No, I 've been lookin' up your skirt.
uncliff
7:07:08 AM
9/27/07

More like "Il Tamponini".
Tilt
8:52:13 PM
9/27/07

you know what? i used to tape the lines down on the bomber radar scopes. they're not etched, they use graphing tape. that was one of my jobs in the Air Force. always give that one to the anal retentive bit**.
Pamela
9:25:07 PM
9/27/07

I'm not clicking on any link that has "boppin" in the hyperlink.

Sol - - I have to give ya an A for effort, but we need some sort of primary source in order to take any of this crap you are shoveling seriously.

Anyone around here can quote chapter and verse on any frackin` secondary source on the web -- it ain't that hard.
laqtis
10:30:04 PM
9/27/07

Sol - - I have to give ya an A for effort, but we need some sort of primary source in order to take any of this crap you are shoveling seriously.

What the hell? You mean the blogs and Wikipedia aren't enough for ya? LOL! I was thinking the other day, "Why the hell would they need to fly nukes over there? We have Trident subs carrying nukes that could level the mid-east.".
Nigal
2:29:51 AM
9/28/07

The sad thing is ONE would probably make the statement we needed to make. Say

Latitude:
21° 25′ 19.2″ N 21.422°

Longitude:
39° 49′ 33.6″ E 39.826°



around December 18 or so.......Then have the President come on and apologize and say, "We made a mistake and accidentally pushed a button...now we wouldn't want that to happen again would we?"
last edited: 9/28/07 5:40:11 AM
XL400236
5:53:51 AM
9/28/07

laqtis
Even the NYT (if you trust the NYT) says the missles were transported to Barksdale AFB without authorization. As I stated there are very strict USAF protocols concerning the transportation of nuclear weapons inside the USA. That these protocols were breached precipitated the USAF stand down on September 24th for review of operational procedures. The article identifies a retired USAF general with an opinion on the incident. Let me quote the article.

Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing."

So if the transportation was just a breach of protocol, as our civilian leaders say, many military heads will roll. But if we begin to hear grumbling from rolling military heads then maybe all is not as our civilian leaders claim. I think this Wayne Madsen Report is evidence of some grumbling.

If the truth is the nukes were headed to the Middle East the primary question in my mind is not why but who was going to take delivery of them?

The LEAST scary scenario is the USAF was going to use them on Iranian nuclear sites.

The scariest senario is that the nukes were going to be delivered to the Israelis.

Let me explain. The Israelis definitely have somewhere between 200 and 400 nuclear weapons. They have three German made diesel-electric submarines capable of launching their own version of cruise missles. BUT the Israelis will not officially acknowledge they have nuclear weapons (WMDs) because their arguments for a nuclear-free Syria, Iraq, and Iran will sound pretty hollow. Europe and the rest of the UN (except the USA) will rightfully argue that "what is good for the goose is good for the gander". So the Israel government keeps quiet about its nukes. The problem is Israel wants to use nukes on their enemies. So if those nukes were supplied by the USA they don't have to admit they have their own.

The spookiest thought about the Israelis taking posession of these weapons is who the real target or targets might become. The Israelis have a long history of false flag operations.

Five "lost" cruise missles could be programed to go wherever their owner wanted them to go. A target could be any country within range or any of the two US carrier groups operating in the Persian Gulf area.

The hell you say?!!!!

That's right, the Israelis are capable and even willing to do nasty things to their best "ally". If history is any indication the Israelis will do anything that advances their national and foreign policy goals. The attack on the USS Liberty was not an accident. Selling the naval secrets that Jonathan Pollard stole to the Soviet Union was not an accident. If the people of the United States can be Pearl Harbored into fighting the entire Muslim World it won't be an accident.

So don't be fooled when Nigal and Mutt and pedXing and all the rest of the Israelophiles tell us the Israelis just want peace. That's not exactly the truth. The only peace they want is the silence of a destroyed Muslim Middle East. In their minds if it takes American blood and treasure to achieve that objective, so what?
last edited: 9/28/07 6:55:02 AM
solitary hiker
6:49:43 AM
9/28/07

PS laqtis
The bopping.net site gave us a cut and paste from a paid subscription site. That site is Wayne Madsen Reports. I used to visit WMR site when it was free. WMR would have stories weeks before you saw them in the MSM. Only you know what you can trust. The stuff about the Israeli operation and the American operation being tied together is hearsay but the lost nukes and the quoted general are compelling. Something is clearly wrong. That part of the story is what I want to analyse and learn more about.
last edited: 9/28/07 7:15:12 AM
solitary hiker
7:20:25 AM
9/28/07

laqtis....just FYI SH is most likely a skinhead or other Nazi sympathizier...I finally had to put him on Ignore due to his almost predictable anti semitic glurges
XL400236
7:24:29 AM
9/28/07

XLax you fat POS
I'm on ignore ....... so that's why you're always here.
last edited: 9/28/07 7:21:10 AM
solitary hiker
7:33:32 AM
9/28/07

Now the question is , who tells the truth more of the time??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????lol
last edited: 9/28/07 7:33:25 AM
uncliff
7:41:00 AM
9/28/07

Yeah well you need to understand that SH88 is most likely one of those kiddies with some severe problems in his life, he now figured it is easiest to blame it on the "JEW THREAT'.

Typical, but then you know the whole tradition of these types, shallow gene pool, inbreeding, banjos.

LOL
XL400236
8:12:07 AM
9/28/07

Way ta hose the thread, Cliff ---
Tilt
9:53:18 AM
9/28/07

x
bump
solitary hiker
10:42:57 AM
10/09/07

x
solitary hiker
10:43:18 AM
10/09/07


Or is this to be the Air Force version of the Abu Ghraib investigation?

Sol, just had a talk with GW and he hopes you're gona like your new 'nickname'--' The Nuke of Hazard'.
uncliff
11:12:15 AM
10/09/07

Nope
no need...Nukes have been positioned on Diego Garcia for years, within striking distance.
SuperTroll
11:12:22 AM
10/09/07

I have no idea if there is a problem, but let me be very clear here, we should be asking if there is a problem, and assuming there is one.

end of story

Was that written by a professional, or a high-school kid for the morning announcements?
Sarge
11:18:25 AM
10/09/07

OK, but how do Don Diego and Sargent Garcia feel about that?
MarkOTheBeast
11:19:16 AM
10/09/07

No Sarge, they were to be shipped to the Syrian desert and buried next to Sadams stash.
uncliff
11:39:05 AM
10/09/07

Any Cuban cigars in that stash?
MarkOTheBeast
11:48:29 AM
10/09/07

<< back to Trail Talk main page

 

Post a Message

In order to post a response to this thread you must first be logged in. If you do not already have an account, you must first create a new account.

 

Login Form

Username:
Password:

 

 

Post a New Thread
Search Threads
Browse Archive

Create a New Account

Trail Talk Main Page