Turkey worse than Hitler?

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration Wednesday lobbied heavily against a House resolution that labels the killings of Armenians in Turkey during World War I as "genocide," saying it would hurt relations with a key U.S. ally.


Condoleezza Rice called the resolution "problematic for everything that we're trying to do in the Middle East."

"We recognize the feelings of those who want to express their concern and their disdain for what happened many years ago," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said outside the White House. "But the passage of this resolution at this time would, indeed, be very problematic for everything that we're trying to do in the Middle East because we are very dependent on a good Turkish strategic ally to help with our efforts."

The nonbinding proposal, which is to be considered by the House Foreign Affairs Committee, acknowledges the "genocide" of Armenians in the early 20th century during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which preceded the creation of modern Turkey in 1923.

"In the case that Armenian allegations are accepted, there will be serious problems in the relations between the two countries," said President Abdullah Gul in a letter to President Bush, who staunchly opposes the resolution.

Nabi Sensoy, Turkey's ambassador to the United States, told CNN the resolution's passage would be a "very injurious move to the psyche of the Turkish people."

He predicted a "backlash" in the country, saying there will be setbacks on several fronts: Turkish-American relations, Turkish-Armenian relations and the normalization of relations between the nations of Turkey and Armenia.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said good relations with Turkey are vital because 70 percent of the air cargo intended for and 30 percent of the fuel consumed by the U.S. forces in Iraq flies through Turkey.

U.S. commanders, Gates said, "believe clearly that access to airfields and roads and so on in Turkey would very much be put at risk if this resolution passes and the Turks react as strongly as we believe they will."

"Our heavy dependence on the Turks for access is really the reason the commanders raised this and why we're so concerned about the resolution," Gates said.

The resolution, which has much support in the full House, is "calling upon the president (Bush) to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian genocide, and for other purposes."

A similar resolution passed the committee two years ago 40-7, but it never reached the full House floor.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, the resolution's author and sponsor refers to "the systematic and deliberate annihilation of 1,500,000 Armenians as genocide."

The term genocide is defined in dictionary.com as "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group."

But this opinion is hotly disputed in Turkey, the predominantly Muslim, but modern and secular, pro-Western ally of the United States.

Turks argue that all peoples -- Armenians and Turks -- suffered during the warfare. But Armenians maintain there was an organized genocide by the Ottoman Turkish authorities, and have been campaigning across the world for official recognition of the genocide.

The resolution arrives at a particularly sensitive juncture in U.S.-Turkish relations. The United States has urged Turkey not to send its troops over the border into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish separatist rebels, who have launched some cross-border attacks against Turkish targets.

Observers of U.S.-Turkish relations have argued such a House resolution could make Turkey less inclined to use restraint in dealing with its longstanding problems with the Kurdistan Workers Party, known as the PKK.

Schiff, who represents a southern California district with many Armenian-Americans, said the "bipartisan measure currently has 226 cosponsors, more than a majority in the House and the most support an Armenian genocide resolution has ever received."

"The United States has a compelling historical and moral reason to recognize the Armenian genocide, which cost a million and a half people their lives," said Schiff. "But we also have a powerful contemporary reason as well. How can we take effective action against the genocide in Darfur if we lack the will to condemn genocide whenever and wherever it occurs?"

That is a reference to the violent conflict in the Sudanese region of Darfur.

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I hope they pass the resolution. That would be awesome!”

“Anything that derails Bush's war of agression against islam is awesome!”

“Darfur is Bush's fault, don't ya know. LOL”

“"We recognize the feelings of those who want to express their concern and their disdain for what happened many years ago," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said outside the White House.

LOL”

“People who've spoken out on this subject within Turkey have been arrested or assassinated on the street.”

“".......Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said outside the White House. "But the passage of this resolution at this time would, indeed, be very problematic for everything that we're trying to do in the Middle East because we are very dependent on a good Turkish strategic ally to help with our efforts."

"So we will continue to kiss Turkish Ass for as long as we can keep this war going." Condoreeza Lice added.”

““Anything that derails Bush's war of agression against islam is awesome!”EarthNsky

So what do you propose to hault the Islamic war against America?”

“I have read some accounts of the slaughter of Armenians written by German liason officers in 1916 who had free access and travel within Turkey.

In most areas the men and boys were separated from the women and young children and executed immediately.
The remaining women and children were marched off to who-knows-where.
Many thousands were murdered and left along roads to be scavenged by birds and wild animals.
Some women were eviscerated along the way after refusing to convert to Islam.”

“genocide shmemocide. Armenians, Kurds, #&%!$ 'em all as long as we get a base.”

“That was 90 years ago.”

“Amen BM!”

“It's just a little resolution.

Will this hurt the Turks' FEEEEEEEEEEELINGS??”

“It puts a crack in their self-deception.”

“it really depends on how you cook it...i mean, if mom gets up at like 4:00 AM and puts the bird in the oven and it stays there until we eat at 1:00, that suckers gonna be dry, and nobody likes a dry turkey on thanksgiving”

“You said it, thrifty. Deep fry that bird! ;-)”

“I think it's important to recognize historical catastrophes and learn from them. Otherwise we simple gloss over them and it can happen again.”

“So what do you propose to hault the Islamic war against America?”
Sarge

What war are you talking about? Iraq didn't bring war on Bush.”

“I hope Turkey goes down in history for the war crimes they committed.”

“What war are you talking about? Iraq didn't bring war on Bush.

Why can't you disassociate the location (Iraq) with the war (against Isamist-extremists)?

If you get into a fist fight in Wal-Mart with somebody named Shaquira, are you fighting Sam Walton?”

“When Bush took the war to Iraq, he became an agressor and a terrorist. The USA is a terrorist country because of President George Bush.
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“so, what George crack whore Bush is saying is that genocide is ok.”

“ENS Turkey HAS gone down in history for the crimes they committed. Just because they and WE will not admit it, doesn't mean it didn't happen....

Just like Ah'm - A - Damn - Jihadi can't change the Genocide committed by the Germans in WWII by denying it happened.....Deny all you want, facts speak for themselves.”

“ENS would have preferred we let Saddam invade his neighbors, unprovoked. Oh, you forgot about that? Maybe that was before you were born, about 16 years ago.”

“yeah, I remember that.. that was the invasion of Iran that we sponsored, that we assisted with... or did you forget about that?



and yes, I would have rathered we left Sadam in power than the mess than our pathetic crackhead president has created.”

““So what do you propose to hault the Islamic war against America?”
Sarge

Take them out, and only them, what done it.
Treat them like the criminals they are and do the hard work of hunting them down.

Killing civilians in Iraq is so far disconnected from any real effort to thwart terrorism that it serves as recruitment for terrorist organizations.

A bunch of loonies don't represent Islam.
And a bunch of right wing loonies don't really represent America.”

“so far today, we learned that George Bush is a terrorist, supports and condones genocide and enjoys killing innocent people.

Also, Bush approved torturing prisoners.

Lastly, he wants to take our freedoms away.
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“Libbies are so silly.”

“George Butch is somebody's hero.”

“I don't think Japan ever apologized either but they make great stuff and china is bad......sorta.
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“ENS would have preferred we let Saddam invade his neighbors, unprovoked. Oh, you forgot about that? Maybe that was before you were born, about 16 years ago.”
Sarge
1:14:41 PM
10/10/07

yeah, I remember that.. that was the invasion of Iran that we sponsored, that we assisted with... or did you forget about that?



and yes, I would have rathered we left Sadam in power than the mess than our pathetic crackhead president has created.”
EarthNsky
1:21:15 PM
10/10/07

No ENS, Saddam invaded KUWAIT, then we assisted in driving him out of KUWAIT, at the express request of the KUWAITI Government....and we DID follow his retreating Army into IRAQ to destroy it. I can say that I assisted in that end, by lighting up targets in the Euphrates River Valley with a GLID. (Laser illuminator).

I believe you confused the IRAQ / IRAN war which killed 8 million.”

“Killing civilians in Iraq is so far disconnected from any real effort to thwart terrorism that it serves as recruitment for terrorist organizations.

MarkO-Dumb.”

“also, who did Iraq invade that we needed to invade them and who where they planning on invading and how were they planning on doing it?

The first gulf war, they invaded kuwait and we went into Kuwait and got them out and that made sense.. but in 2003, what did they do that we needed to invade them? nothing. Iraq and Sadam did nothing and we went in unprovoked.

In 1991, Dickhead Cheney correctly said that invading Iraq and removing Sadam would create a quadmire. He was actually right about something for once. Somehow he changed his mind since then. We all know now that Cheney suffers from dementia, yet still retains his office.
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“Can you name a safe place to conduct the hunt and elimination of terrorist suspects?

someplace where there is a GUARANTEE that no innocent civilian casualties will occur?

(Perhaps you can get the bad guys to agree to line up for extermination in a remote desert area for us?)”

“Sarge knows where the WMD are, but he's too scared to go and point them out for us. Meanwhile, men and women in our armed forces are dying.”

“I think it's important to recognize historical catastrophes and learn from them. Otherwise we simple gloss over them and it can happen again.”
Nigal

exactly, i mean it was over 6 years ago when mom tried to get creative and stuffed the bird with raisins, i mean raisins??!!!...come on, that was just gross....but we make sure every year that we remind how important it is to not get fancy and just stick to tradition….raisins??!!!, what was she thinking”

“Yuck!”

“So what do you propose to hault the Islamic war against America?”
Sarge

What war are you talking about? Iraq didn't bring war on Bush.”
EarthNsky
12:54:29 PM
10/10/07

No one said anything about Iraq until you brought it up. Try to focus. I thought the topic was Turkey and its treatment of Armenians in WW1.

Claiming that Bush is waging war on Islam is the same as saying Islam is a religion of peace.
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“And the title should have "Germany" in place of "Hitler". Otherwise it's implying only Hitler was responsible.”

“And saying Islam is not a religion of peace is simple bigotry.  Anyone saying things like that in public invites having their testimony impeached if and when they should be called to testify against Moslems in court.  Recall Mark Fuhrman.

What did George say about a 'crusade' six years ago?  We seriously need some sane people in office.”

“I believe Japanese schoolbooks are light on subjects like the Bataan Death March, the Rape of Nanking and their chemical warfare experiments on Chinese prisoners (Unit 731?).

They don't arrest people for talking about these things, but it wouldn't be good for business to bring them up in casual conversation.”

“a turkey sandwich sounds good right now”

“At least HITLER gave Hope to the people...When the JEWS were under cutting them in the markets.HOPE BUSH..?....NOT.”

“Democrats taking care of the Nation's business.

I see the Democrats are also trying to extend the eavesdropping program. Democrats stand for nothing.”

“Dang I hate it when the drunken rant and rave. They always start out on topic but by the end they're simply screaming for the head of Bush and blaming everything in the free world on him.”

“That is DNC policy Nigal. Remember the DNC primer for election workers?

"Make false claims of intimidation."”

“This countries extreme right wants to invade anyone that doesn't send a check to their church each month and the Paul libertarians want to bring it home and build a real defence. In between are all of you, but reading this thread makes one wonder if you all live in the same country-It is possible more than one country exist within these borders.”

“Wow...I thought this was a food thread......

shouldn't this be fuego?????”

“oops...sorry...I forgot to turn off the fuego threads....
...sorry....”