More About the War on Christmas

“blessed be the pagans, too”

“someone needs to explain to sarge that about 95% of christmas has pagan roots...

bon saturnalia, and happy holidays you goddamn pagan freaks

oh, but that doesnt matter because that was before abraham washington invented america and freedom fries

true story”

“someone needs to explain to sarge that about 95% of christmas has pagan roots...

So you agree there is a war on Christmas?”

“no, you seem to be the only one who thinks there's a war on christmas. It's kinda funny though that you imply mutt doesn't (or shouldn't) celebrate christmas because he thinks christianity is absurd, and yet your entire celebration is based on pagan rituals...

tell me sarge, was jesus born in december?”

“Knot more about Feedumb Fries!!!!”

“Jesus was born on each of your birthdays, give yourself a present and up the others, everyday is X-mas”

“"...forgive the expression..."


Probably a pretty miserable person anyway. Can you imagine the circle of friends and colleagues that she surrounds herself with if she feels the need to say something like that? LMAO! Pathetic!”

“So, pepsis, there isn't a war on Christmas, but all your posts are attacking Christmas? That makes sense.”

“Probably a pretty miserable person anyway. Can you imagine the circle of friends and colleagues that she surrounds herself with if she feels the need to say something like that? LMAO! Pathetic!

That was my first thought upon hearing that. What kind of friends does she hang around? Also, somebody throws a party and you insult it - nationally?! Wow.”

“christmas is almost entirely based on pagan rituals. that is not an attack. that's a statement of fact. if you consider the truth an attack, I feel very sorry for you.

was jesus born in december? that's not an attack either, it's a question which you still haven't answered. I think we both know why...”

“christmas is almost entirely based on pagan rituals. that is not an attack. that's a statement of fact. if you consider the truth an attack, I feel very sorry for you.

I'm referring to the fact that you seem to think that by attacking the roots of the holiday, it will somehow lesson it's value. You never asked me what I thought of it, so I just sit back and watch you attacking it and prove my point.”

“did I attack its roots? no. I simply stated a fact. I haven't once attempted to devalue christmas. I find it all the more meaningful to understand the roots of something I celebrate, and Christmas is deeply rooted in paganism. Most Christian holidays are, in fact

I find willful ignorance to this fact more devaluing than facing the truth head on.”

“was jesus born in december? that's not an attack either, it's a question which you still haven't answered. I think we both know why...

Tell me why.”

“did I attack its roots? no. I simply stated a fact.

Yes, you did. You don't have to lie about something to attack it's roots do you? Is that what you think? To attack something you have to lie about it?

I haven't once attempted to devalue christmas. I find it all the more meaningful to understand the roots of something I celebrate, and Christmas is deeply rooted in paganism. Most Christian holidays are, in fact

Then why are you talking to me specifically about it?”

“So this is not attacking Christmas??

“someone needs to explain to sarge that about 95% of christmas has pagan roots...

bon saturnalia, and happy holidays you goddamn pagan freaks!”
PepsisFormosa
12:03:24 PM
12/21/10”

“Then why are you talking to me specifically about it?�
HiGHPLAiNSDRiFTER
8:55:00 AM
12/21/10

I already explained why. if you can't read it the first time, there's no point saying it again.”

“He is not attacking X-mess, he is attacking the ?facts? that surround the insane festivities of the season.”

“I already explained why. if you can't read it the first time, there's no point saying it again.

why you haven't answered? because you know that even christian scholars say he was not - or else you didn't know until you embarked on a google adventure after I asked...

I haven't answered because we've gone on about this in past years on trailtalk.”

“you've been attacking a strawman the entire time - you must be exhausted”

“High school puts the smack down on
(a) a gang
(b) a group of bullies, or
(c) the Xmas Sweater Club?

http://princewilliamcounty.wusa9.com/content/christmas-sweater-club-punished-local-high-school”

“OMG!

The boys say they were just tossing small two-inch candy canes to fellow students as they entered school. The ones in plastic wrap that are so small they often break apart.

Skylar Torbett, also a junior, said administrators told him, "They said the candy canes are weapons because you can sharpen them with your mouth and stab people with them." He said neither he nor any of their friend did that.”

“DAMN!

Mother Kathleen Flannery said an administrator called her and explained "not everyone wants Christmas cheer. That suicide rates are up over Christmas, and that they should keep their cheer to themselves, perhaps."”

“Muslim's trample each other on the way to Mecca and X-tian's trample each other trying to get into Circuit City.”

“this is as much BS as I can take”

“BS = Brilliant Scholarship?”

“BS= SaleBored backwards”

“I thought it was derobelas.”

“Dat two,lol.”

“BaleSored?”

“Dero Belas= Belas repealed”

“The war on X-mess has now been moved to the list of' Wars on Drugs'. OH! The overworked Warriors - Too many wars so little peace. The whole world is Terry Schiavo, pull the plug. Wait! Which side Am I on? Does a correct side exist?”

“The correct side is the FLIP !ask HPD”

“Go ahead, ask me a question.”

“i like this line from the link crash posted:

I continue to have trouble understanding why people would do so and, if they must pray, why they would feel the need to tell me about it.

it's one thing to tell an atheist you'll pray for them because of a death or other hardship (it's like saying merry christmas, it comes from a kind place), it's another thing to say you'll pray for them BECAUSE they're an atheist...it's a cowardly way of saying you disapprove”

“Hmmm. I believe in God, mostly because She believes in me! was I politically correct? Sorry Dad.”

“What is Christmas? It is the celebration of the Incarnation, God's becoming flesh - human - and entering into history in the form of a vulnerable baby born to a poor, teenage mother in a dirty animal stall. Simply amazing. That Mary was homeless at the time,a member of a people oppressed by the imperial power of an occupied country whose local political leader, Herod, was so threatened by the baby's birth that he killed countless children in a vain attempt to destroy the Christ child, all adds compelling historical and political context to the Advent season.

The theological claim that sets Christianity apart from any other faith tradition is the Incarnation. God has come into the world to save us. God became like us to bring us back to God and show us what it means to be truly human.

That is the meaning of the Incarnation. That is the reason for the season.

In Jesus Christ, God hits the streets.

It is theologically and spiritually significant that the Incarnation came to our poorest streets. That Jesus was born poor, later announces his mission at Nazareth as "bringing good news to the poor," and finally tells us that how we treat "the least of these" is his measure of how we treat him and how he will judge us as the Son of God, radically defines the social context and meaning of the Incarnation of God in Christ. And it clearly reveals the real meaning of Christmas.

The other explicit message of the Incarnation is that Jesus the Christ's arrival will mean "peace on earth, good will toward men." He is "the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and the Prince of Peace." Jesus later calls on his disciples to turn the other cheek, practice humility, walk the extra mile, put away their swords, love their neighbors - and even their enemies - and says that in his kingdom, it is the peacemakers who will be called the children of God. Christ will end our warring ways, bringing reconciliation to God and to one another.

None of that has anything to do with the Fox News Christmas. In fact, quite the opposite.

Making sure that shopping malls and stores greet their customers with "Merry Christmas" is entirely irrelevant to the meaning of the Incarnation. In reality it is the consumer frenzy of Christmas shopping that is the real affront and threat to the season.

Last year, Americans spent $450 billion on Christmas. Clean water for the whole world, including every poor person on the planet, would cost about $20 billion. Let's just call that what it is: A material blasphemy of the Christmas season.

Imagine Jesus walking into the mall, seeing the Merry Christmas signs, and expressing his humble thanks for how the pre- and post-Christmas sales are honoring to him.

..........
The real Christmas announces the birth of Jesus to a world of poverty, pain, and sin, and offers the hope of salvation and justice.

The Fox News Christmas heralds the steady promotion of consumerism, the defense of wealth and power, the adulation of money and markets, and the regular belittling or attacking of efforts to overcome poverty.

The real Christmas offers the joyful promise of peace and the hope of reconciliation with God and between humankind.

The Fox News Christmas proffers the constant drumbeat of war, the reliance on military solutions to every conflict, the demonizing of our enemies, and the gospel of American dominance.

The real Christmas lifts up the Virgin Mary's song of praise for her baby boy: "He has brought the mighty down from their thrones, and lifted the lowly, he has filled the hungry with good things, and sent the rich empty away."

The Fox News Christmas would label Mary's Magnificat as "class warfare."

So if there is a war on Christmas it's the one being waged by Fox News.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/the-real-war-on-christmas_b_1151709.html”

“The Christmas piece is spot on. +1.

I remember when Arianna Huffington sounded like the Donald, you know, before she turned Micheal gay..”

“Seeing as how the Christian concept of Incarnation is an insultingly stupid falsehood, and seeing as how Christmas was co-opted by Christianity long ago, their moral outrage at Fox News is more than a little hypocritical and only shows that they are much the same kind of people as those they mock.”

“..so I guess we can count you out of the ornament exchange? Lol.”

“LOL”

“Time to laugh at the non-believers and the one believers.

Io Saturnalia!”