lest we forget !

“Let us never forget.....






LEST WE FORGET -- if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it!!


It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he order all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: "Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened"

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke


In Memorial

This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because

it "offended" the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the
six million Jews,

20 million Russians,

10 million Christians

and 1,900 Catholic priests
who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated

while the German and Russia peoples looking the other way!

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be "a myth,"

it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.”

“Please --- Don't spam us with chain email.

(and remember to use the Fuego category for crazy political/religious crap)

� � � � � "Holocaust Teaching Ban" at Snopes


Once again, we thank you for your support, and now Ed would like to say a few words.”

“Excellent referral to snopes Tilt. While we are on urban legends...
Madalyn Murry O'Hara is dead. Just for the record.”

“And what about the Poles?

There was the matter of "liebensraum"(sp)”

“So what.


I like this one better.”

“Lest we forget to check the validity of what arrives in our inbox.”

“When we were in Washington my favorite, though very sombering, memorial was the Holicost museum. I believer it was Elise Wiesel (sp) is quoted in saying "If we forget those who die they are dying twice, once when they died and then again when they are forgotten"

I can't imagine that anyone could believe that it never occured. Just asking those who survived is evidence enough!”

“When I was a kid in the '60s there was a couple down the street who both had concentration camp numbers tattooed on their forearms.

I was about ten or eleven when my Dad introduced me to them and I asked about the numbers having no idea.

They were very gracious and explained without gory details, but I was still shocked.”

“My Aunt's mother had the numbers. She had some stories, may she find peace.”

“You guys really need to work on that spelling.

Toss in a vowel every once in a while, why doncha?”

“Dang, paddles, looks like you can't post anything without getting busted on. First it was Veterans Day and now this. The net nannies are out in force.”

“Dang, paddles, looks like you can't post anything without getting busted on.


true enough,but then this is my fault I should of done more research.I recieved this in a E-mail(obviously) and also saw it on a internet newspaper website so I wrongly presumed it to be true.My mistake and I apologize.

I didn`t put it on Fuego for the distinct reason that Fuego tends to end up, with name calling and mud slinging instead of productive criticism or debate.

The holocaust is not something to be taken lightly....The horrible truth is we`ve seen it repeated in Serbia and Rawanda.When are we going to learn ?”

“paddles, the reason we have feugo is because these TOPICS end up being name calling and mudslinging no matter where they are posted. So to save the sanity of people who aren't into name calling and mudslinging these topics should be posted in feogo. Its a shame, but thats the way it is.”

“But let us also remember that this term "Holocaust" canb e blown out of perspective.

The last administration took faked numbers of dead in Bosnia to send our troops and waste valuable ammunition on what was later determined to be a MASSIVE hoax by the media. Everyone I am sure remember the "one year" we were to be in Bosnia to give Slick some cover from indictments.

What happened by a world turning a deaf ear to the threats of a egomaniacal loon in 1936 can also be abused. True genocide is horrific, but to accuse every action of anyone you don't like of being genocidal eventually waters down the charge.”

“My problem with that kind of e-mail posting is it inevitably serves a political rather than historical agenda. Not only did the original post contain a gross inaccuracy regarding the British decisions, it also overly simplified and in some ways trivialized the Holocaust itself. All for a political agenda couched in a "lest we forget" message.

There were many Germans who did not turn a blind eye. Bonhoeffer and others paid with their lives for speaking out at the time. It left out large populations of people who were slaughtered, although at least it did not reduce the horror to a Jewish genocide alone.

Paddles... I was not intending to bust your chops and if it seemed so I apologize. I have seen too many rumors get spread around just that way. As someone trained in history I like to stop as much revision of facts as I can. The article in snopes was quite good I thought.”

“Maybe I'm not following this but I wouldn't of put this under the fuego thread. I think this is a serious issue that does recall remembering.

I don't understand why it would even come to that! It is flat out the truth and no need for discussion, name calling or comments made!”

“would you please email me.

Thanks!”

“crazygurl....

here is my problem. I agree the Holocaust is worth remembering and is a factual event. The issue, for me, is the story about Britain removing the Holocaust from the school curriculum. That information is not true as it was presented. It was, in my opinion, politically aimed and not historically or factually accurate.”

“Yeah, maybe it hasn't happened yet, but it's not a stretch at all to imagine the British appeasing the muslimes in such a manner.

Look at Y2's posts, for example: Neville Chamberlain reborn.”

“Crazygurl, I don't think anyone on this thread is debating the holocaust, they are talking about an email with misinformation in it. 95% (I made that number up, isn't statistics fun) of all internet chain emails only having a passing familiarity with the truth. Never pass one on without checking snopes or some other "urban legend" debunking site.

http://www.jdlasica.com/hoaxes.html

Bill Gates is not going to send you a nickel every time you forward an email, you are not going to wake up one day in an ice filled bathtub with your kidney missing, Neiman Marcus does not sell its cookie recipe for $250 and I doubt anyone will ever find the barbequed corpse of a scuba diver in the ashes of a forest fire.”

“hyway, next you're going to try and tell me that there isn't a tooth fairy either, aren't ya?”

““Yeah, maybe it hasn't happened yet, but it's not a stretch at all to imagine the British appeasing the muslimes in such a manner.

Mutt
9:22:42 AM
12/10/07

all the more reason to acknowledge the factual error of the announcement.”

“I was not intending to bust your chops and if it seemed so I apologize..RamblinRev.

No need to apologize Rev...I never felt my chops were being busted...

Rev your right that many Germans died fighting against what the "Reich" stood for unfortunately they were the minority.
I have a book at home written by jewish survivors and in it their stories about the average german citizen is not pretty.I find it scary how fast the "facade" of moral and human decency can crumble.

The truth is the "heart" of man is evil..The horrors of the 20th Century sure seem to show it.”

“Speak for your own heart, not mine.”

“Crazygurl I`ll gladly e-mail you..I just need your e-mail address.I tried your homepage but couldn`t get any where.”

“all the more reason to make it feugo since not everyone agrees that a backpacking site is an appropriate place to knock heads over issues. Muslims, courts, what the unwashed masses of 1940's Germany knew, etc., are always lightning rods for heated debate and ideological head bashing. It is just saying "Holocaust bad" and all the answers magically fall into place.”

“Feugo schmeugo. That's a moderating issue. Net nannyism is no substitute.”

“Nimblefoot I`m talking about the true nature of man,not individual hearts.take a look at human history it`s full of violence and greed.Death by violence is common place.How many murders happened this week end alone in North America,how many rapes,muggings..etc. It never changes. It shows the true nature of man .”

“I believe that the heart of man is good and that individual hearts may become evil. If I believed that the heart of man is evil, then I would have to believe that all children are born with an evil heart.”

““Feugo schmeugo. That's a moderating issue. Net nannyism is no substitute.”
Mutt
9:44:55 AM
12/10/0

I'm not complaining, I like the old west style, but when was the last time you saw any moderator action here?”

“We have moderators?”

“Hyway, why do you care if this is fuego or general discussion? I've never understood the need for these silly classifications. Adults should be able to either participate or not participate in any thread using their own free will.”

“"Adults should be able to either participate or not participate in any thread using their own free will.�
Mutt
8:13:34 AM
12/10/07

So bugger off, boy.”

“Because this is a community and the majority of the community wanted to put us rabble rousers in a corner called feugo so they wouldn't have to listen to us bickering. Its the same idea as having a section for gear, a section for chatter, sections for camping in different regions of the country. The difference of course is that people don't usually call each other fags, commies, baby killers, etc when disagreeing on gear threads. (all the more reason to keep feugo in feugo)”

“deezy214@yahoo.com

Thank you”

“�We have moderators?�
Creek Dancer
10:02:18 AM
12/10/07


modulators perhaps

on the advanced BOB devices”

“don't usually call each other fags - Hyway

LOL - I like how you single out MarkO's homophobia.”

“Don't do it Paddles!”

“modulators perhaps

on the advanced BOB devices�
Hog On Ice

I was wondering what those thingys were called.
last edited: 12/10/07 7:45:26 AM”

“Sarre :-)~”

“hehe”

“Butch-up, Mutt.

Don't be a cry baby.”

“no Mutt, it was more a generalization of a whole slew of name-calling that goes on. I am not for or against feugo except that the majority of this forum would prefer that feugo would stay on feugo threads. The problem is that many people think that only someone else's issues are feugo while there is in need of greater debate for the betterment of mankind.

BTW, I just found this cool aide for feugo debate you Ferocious, Elementary Underling, Giver of Obscurity ... http://www.umop.com/acronym/acronym.php”

“Morbid, Abhorrant Rube, Kowtowing with Obscurity says..............you are a:

Horrific, Yipping Whipping-boy, Accustomed to Youth-hating”

“MUTT - Morbid Underling, Tiptoeing in Trash

thats priceless

crash bang - Crusty, Rudimentary Ass, Saint of Hate, Belligerent Ass, Nefarious for Greed

tilt - Tyrannical Interposer, Lurking in Trash
last edited: 12/10/07 8:13:13 AM”

“ramblinrev - Repugnant, Abhorrant Meathead, Bringer of Lies and Impish Nothingness, Repugnant, Elementary Vampire

crazygurl - Crusty, Rudimentary Ass, Zeroing on Youth-hating, Gibbering Underling, Resource for Lies

creek dancer - Crusty, Rudimentary Egghead, Enigma of Keelhauling, Depraved, Abhorrant Nutball, Carrier of Excrement and Rubbish”

“Sarre :-)~�

CG, what does this mean?”

“Who you callin' a nutball Hyway, you you you.......

Heinous Yellow Wanker Adoring Yuck”