Toyota #2 in US Sales, Ford #3

“I don't think he meant that in a violent way, but its comments like that that are all the more reason to not get rid of the secret ballot when voting whether a shop should go union.”

“"Union organizers repeatedly fail to force these workers into the Unions."
Hyguy

Union organizers do not force worker to join.

Ya just had to sneak that in, huh?

In the early 20th century many companies had private armed forces used to terrorize and intimidate their workers into not organizing.”

“I'd like to see those studies Hyway.

From what I've heard Toyota factory workers complain about anything from safety to the amount of hours they work and they lose their jobs. I've heard interviews w/ Toyota workers expressing how much they wish they had gotten into the union when hey had the chance. Maybe things have changed?

The bottom line is the more we buy from foreign companies the more American workers and families suffer. Not just cars, everything. We as a country are shooting ourselves in the foot!”

“hah, y2 you are so stupid. I was yawning at your ceaseless pontifications. You say stuff that has is so factually inaccurate that it has just become boring to read what you type. Like this case. karo was talking to thrifty in that post not me. Can you ever get any facts right?”

“lumberzac, you are a faggot

hmm, name calling is fun, no wonder you do it since you have nothing intelligent to say”

“Ban Sarge !!!”

“Oh what a wonderful world it would be.”

“sass, those cars built in Alabama are built by Americans just like the cars built in Detroit. I don't even know why we are getting all worked up over this. Does anyone posting here really believe that the Big 3 aren't going to get a bailout, loans, or whatever it will be called. Not that it will do any good. We'll be right back here again in a few years when they burn through all this new cash.”

“sass, you've got to consider the source though...you're deep in union country so is what you are hearing biased?...not saying it is, you just have to ask that question

i agree with you about buying american but you just can't buy american just to be buying american...the reliability of toyota has been known for years...i agree GM has improved it's products from a decade ago but it takes time to overcome that stigma”

“Hyway - I know it was a dig at me.

The point is that you're so dismissive of the lives of others that you'd rather do that than respond to the fears and concerns of those directly affected by this stuff.”

“Thrifty, what do you know about the reliability of Toyota this year? It's slipping and consumers don't even care because they think they know.

I heard the interviews on NPR (my choice for news). I guess they could be biased but it was a national program (talk of the nation to be exact), not a locally produced show.

The profit goes where Hyway? Not to Alabama, or the United States.”

“funny how the instigators, sassafras, lumberzac and MarkO, who were unprovoked, are the ones asking the person they're flaming, to leave

exactly why a self-moderated board wouldn't work”

“My old GMC Sierra was built in Canada, and my current Dodge Stratus was built in Mexico. WTF?”

“I heard the interviews on NPR (my choice for news). I guess they could be biased but it was a national program (talk of the nation to be exact), not a locally produced show. - Sassafras


Wow ... just WOW.

It's this kind of stupidity that is why the country is in this mess.”

“Thrifty, what do you know about the reliability of Toyota this year?

are you talking about the product or the company?

i'm speaking about the product and i'm speaking from personal experiance and market data”

“lumberzac, you are a faggot

hmm, name calling is fun, no wonder you do it since you have nothing intelligent to say�
Hiker1984
10:06:44 AM
11/12/08



HAHA what a tool”

“Does anyone know how many people all the major automakers employ in the US?”

“like a breakdown - like How many people Toyota employs in the US compared to GM and Ford?”

“sorry mapleleaf, I left you off the unprovoked #&%!$ list”

“Hyway is living fat and he can't understand why everyone else ain't.

My personal experience as a Teamster truck driver at two different jobs bears no resemblance to the anti-union tales.
Those tales are told by the ideologically-driven who always have and always will hate organized labor regardless of reality or individual circumstances.

At both of those jobs the companies and the union worked rather well together.
There was no coddling of thieves or of the lazy or inefficient.
There was however fair representation and due process, something that is more often than not lacking in a job where the worker is at the mercy and the whim of sometimes psychotic managers and their lackeys.”

“start your own company if you don't like it

freedom isn't rainbow faerries, it's hard work

you don't have a "right" to a cushy job where the boss can't yell at you”

“The profit goes where Hyway? Not to Alabama, or the United States.”
Sassafras
1:19:58 PM
11/12/08

What profits? I thought the big 3 were burning through cash so fast that they have to be bailed out.”

“she's talking about the foreign companies”

““start your own company if you don't like it

freedom isn't rainbow faerries, it's hard work

you don't have a "right" to a cushy job where the boss can't yell at you”
Hiker1984
11:35:59 AM
11/12/08

You talkin' to me, Sargent White Collar?

I've never had a cushy job.”

“haha your so easy surge”

“I've never had a cushy job.”
MarkO

- All work is strenuous on your fragile build.”

“Tell me all about it white collar boy.”

“Hyway the studies? And you know what profits I speak of. Stop pretending to be dense. ;)”

“I'm not pretending ;)”

“Sass, he's not kiddin'.

But for some reason, women love the guy.”

“hey, what women? I need that list.”

“Maybe those women wanted to kick you ass and not kiss it.”

“http://gmfactsandfiction.com/

Have at it.”

“
Automakers Don�t Belong Under Bailout Plan, Paulson Says

House Lame-Duck Session In Doubt

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““Maybe those women wanted to kick you ass and not kiss it.”
MarkO
2:40:04 PM
11/12/08

Some people are into that kind of kinky stuff.”

“2 hardly constitutes a "list"”

“pelosi is saying that unless the republicans agree to rubber stamp everything the democrats put into a stimulus package then she isn't going to waste time with a lame duck session. very mature of her.”

“dang, even thrifty has seen the list. But like LZ says, hey, whatever gets them interested.”

“Come on Hyway - it's your mom and your wife isn't it ;op”

“my wife's not on that list.”

“I know several folks that work up the road at the Honda plant. I've always heard that it's a great place to work. AL also has a Mercedes plant and a Hyundai plant. Don't know anyone at those. There may be others in state.”

“That is where my Hyundai was built. Thank you Alabama!”

“You guys think that Japan would let Toyota and Honda sink?”

“i don't know enough about their economy or government...the more important question is would they jump off a bridge?”

“This article from 2006 is interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081801384.html

although foreign car makers are building up plants, it's a fraction of what the US automakers employ - and also the reasearch and development work is overseas, as are many of the parts manufacturers.”

““I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared.”

-Thomas Jefferson”

“What did he say about credit default swaps nige?”

“he'd probably say people that partake and lose should pay the price”

“What about those that didn't partake - they should pay too right?”