Obama for President 2008

“"ultra"-right? pa-leeze

It's not just far-right conservatives that oppose his liberal and destructive ideas. There are plenty of main-line and centrist repubs against his idiotic amnesty plan and his reduction of our 1st amendment rights, which served no purpose.”

“I think McCain has done well, but that has to be set against a generally weak Republican line-up. I think he's one of the good guys - don't agree with his policies, but I think he's plays it straight.

He's solid and dependable - but he's no superstar.

Hate to see it come down to that, but Obama is a superstar. I think we're all underestimating what it has taken to get to this stage in a race with Hillary. She and her husband are the most powerful figures in the Democratic party, and he is beating her in her own yard - picking up union endorsements along the way.

You look at elections over the past few years, and you'll see that with one or two exceptions, America picks the guy with the most charisma - and Obama has that by the bucketfull.

And all this doesn't even deal with the issues McCain has with the Republican base.
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“That's quite a pile of speculation, Bob.

It could be a Hollywood script.

That region is far from "headed for stability".”

“Bob - is that the exact pitch that the Neocons gave to justify the invasion in the first place ;o)”

“XL, my issue isnt campaign finance reform, or immigration or his past. My sole issue the Nov is the war period. IMO we dont have the luxury of the other issues. My only concern and goal is victory in Iraq and Afghanistan. It may not happen under him but it wont happen under a dem.

And spare the condescension it isnt necessary.”

“Hey I goto Cleveland State Univ and Obama and Clinton are coming to debate in our Convo. center tues feb 26. I entered a lottery for the tickets. I hope i can get one because it would be awesome to goto the debate especially since this is history in the making!
~Peace~
theAntelope”

“My report on Iraq is what it could look like in 50 years. But there is no chance of that happening if we abruptly pull out. It was more or less the Neocon justification for going in, and it looked pretty dumb when we were losing, but what about now, when we are winning, in fact almost wrapping up? Why give up when we are almost there? What is at stake is the stability of 20% of the world's oil, with neighboring countries controlling another 40%.

For a super power to be unable to fight a war in which casualties are not much higher than training and driving around at home casualties shows we sure don't have much stomach for a fight, and signals any tough and resolute opponent that we are unable to sustain even the most trivial conflict. Its not the military men that are complaining about the war, its the media and those that flow with the media, which is mostly democrats.”

“You give a best-case scenario - but there's many many things that could go wrong from here. And the possibility that American troops and money will be there for many years to come - basically fighting the war of attrition that Bin Laden wanted in the first place.

There's also the possibility that the invasion itself has created greater long-term threats to America than what has become apparent were minimal threats before.

You also can't group Iraq and Afganistan invasions as they were undertaken for differing reasons.

Having said that, I don't really think an immediate withdrawal is the right thing to do as something will need to fill the vacuum that is created when US troops leave.
last edited: 2/20/08 4:00:47 PM”

“when we are winning, in fact almost wrapping up?

Who's winning? The 70 people blown up in the car bomb yesterday?”

“60,000 people a year are killed in the US from car accidents. people die, 70 deaths doesn't mean we should quit”

“How many Iraqis have died following this mistake?”

“In 20years 75K troops will still be in Amraq. To win in Iraq is when it is announced we are never leaving and the people (here) cheer and the ones that Bo, can't be heard in jail.”

“How many troops do we still have in Europe? Korea? Japan/Okinawa? Why would it be any different if we left troops in Iraq?”

“I actually hope that Hillary does win Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. The best case scenario is that they tie and give the choice to the superdelegates at the convention.

It would buy the Democrats about five months to see what is happening in the world. If a terrorist attack happens, the superdelegates can go for Hillary. If it doesn't, they can swing for Obama.

A brokered convention could buy the party time to see what's up.”

“BTW, I don't think that's likely. I think that Obama will have it in the bag in two weeks.”

“Could the superdelegates(D) buy Ron Paul(R) from the bonusdelegates(R) to beat McLain(?)?”

“OMG! People are dying in a war! We should quit!!

LOL, losers”

“How many troops do we still have in Europe? Korea? Japan/Okinawa? Why would it be any different if we left troops in Iraq?

Come on. The biggest penalty in these countries is the rape charges these guys face periodically. NO one wants to KILL them...”

“Depending on who comes out independent I may just go for the Scorched Earth Vote and vote for Obama and play my fiddle as Rome burns for four years.”

“Dumbass.�
roseymonster
11:26:45 AM
2/20/08


Another shining example of rosey refuting a charge with overwhelming evidence and support.�
Nonconformist
2:10:46 PM
2/20/08
ignore this user



�Sheeyat noncom, if you're not aware of the evidence, it's too late, bud.�
roseymonster
2:54:02 PM
2/20/08






So you pretty much have nothing as usual, right? Okay, got it. Thanks.


(By "nothing as usual" I meant "nothing as usual except 3rd grade insults or parroting of some talking points.")”

“[sniff sniff] Is that hyperbole I smell?

LOL!”

“How many Iraqis have died following this mistake?”
Y2
4:17:45 PM
2/20/08

We know, we know, it's America's fault. We've heard it all before.

How many Iraqis/Kurds died following Saddam's rise to power?”

“Okay, so Obama decided he needed to "clarify" what his wife meant. He said - "What she meant was, this is the first time that she's been proud of the politics of America, because she's pretty cynical about the political process, and with good reason, and she's not alone. But she has seen large numbers of people get involved in the process, and she's encouraged."


Now, what she originally said was - "Let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change."


Ok, got it. So she's talking about the political process when she says she's hungry for change? ... So, she wants to the political process to change?

What does she want to change? Elections?

Maybe they're both full of crap?”

“Noncom's MO: come in, make a few comments about lack of proof, provide nothing in return, leave.

Do I have that about right?”

“Much more efficient than yours ...

come in, make LOTS of comments WITH no lack of proof, provide ad hominems, leave, come right back, do the same thing

Is that right?”

“I am not getting excited about sound bites and gaffs.

The bottom line is that O'bama has zero experience. He has never drafted a substantive piece of legislation. Hillary has been trying to make this point, but she has never drafted a substantive piece of legislation either. She never served in the military. She has never sucked...er..ah.. well she is just as inexperienced as Obama.”

“Sarge! Report to the I Voted for G.W. Bush thread immediately!!”

“Noncom's MO: come in, make a few comments about lack of proof, provide nothing in return, leave.

Do I have that about right?�
roseymonster
10:04:54 AM
2/21/08


I don't have to; you usually prove me right a few posts later.”

“�Sarge! Report to the I Voted for G.W. Bush thread immediately!!�
roseymonster
11:12:31 AM
2/21/08

... speaking of "proving me right". LOL”

“.
last edited: 2/21/08 10:15:54 AM”

“Get out the butter and jam. She’s toast.

Hillary Clinton, this extraordinarily smart and capable person, just got trounced in Wisconsin and in Hawaii, and her long-held hopes of becoming President now lie dashed....snip
Here’s how it happened.

First of all, the Clinton campaign was schizophrenic about whether to even campaign in Wisconsin.

After nearly drowning in the Potomac primaries, Clinton foolishly said, “I’ll meet you in Texas.” Not exactly the message that Wisconsin voters wanted to hear...

Her entire campaign has been flawed.

“I’m Ready at Day One” was just not a winning slogan, and she kept repeating it over and over again, including Tuesday night. (By the way, she doesn’t know the meaning of “concession speech.”) Few voters go for a candidate by measuring that person’s résumé.

And the slogan revealed a serious pronoun problem. The Clinton campaign was all about “I, I, I.” As in, “I’ve got 35 years of experience.” Or, I can take a punch from the right wing.

By contrast, Obama’s campaign has been all about “We, We, We,” and “You,” and “You and I together.” He talks about change coming from the bottom up, from the voters themselves, and he asks them to join something larger than a personal campaign, whatever you think of the substance of that campaign. He asks them to redeem the promise of America.

Outclassed on rhetoric, Clinton then made the fatal error of mocking Obama’s ability to inspire, which she did again on Tuesday night, when she said, “The best words in the world are not enough.”

But people want to be inspired. They don’t want to be told to be “realistic,” and not to have “false hopes.” Might as well ask them to open a vein....snip
Also in the last week or so, Obama has adopted a more populist message on economics, denouncing NAFTA and the free trade deals that devastated jobs here in the United States, hammering the corporations that get tax breaks to move jobs overseas, and calling for raising the minimum wage again and indexing it to inflation.

This is a winning message, not just in the Upper Midwest but across the country.

And Hillary Clinton can’t make it as well, since her husband brought us NAFTA, which she is on record as praising.

From here on out, Hillary is likely to keep losing. Her money will dry up. Her superdelegates will start running to Obama, as John Lewis already has. John Edwards will probably throw his weight behind Obama. And it will be all over.

The only question now is how destructive the Clintons will be on their way down. Will they take Obama with them?

There was a hint of that in Hillary’s speech Tuesday night when she said, “Only one of us is ready on day one to be commander in chief.”

You can see John McCain using that bit of tape in an attack ad against Obama in November.


Entire article: http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx022008
last edited: 2/21/08 4:11:10 PM”

“[b][u]ALL THE CHOICES SUCK!!!!!”

“Thad, I concur.”

“Im a Republican and i like Mccain...but i think Obama is the best choice for president. just as long as its not hilary...ill be happy”

“i actually watched the debate last night - Obama seems much more coherent and together than Hillary. Maybe he's just a better speaker, but he certainly came across, (to me at least) as more together, more calm and more prepared. Of the two, Obama will be better to reppresent the US in front of other countries without doubt.”

“Maybe...and this is what I have seen. Hillary is great UNTIL she is in public. Obama is much more polished and likable. Face it if you put MARKO next to Hillary he would look GREAT.”

“God help us.

He wants to negotiate with Iran and AlQ.

I don't want somebody representing us in that respect. That's ignorant beyond comprehension.”

“Fear! Man, the whole landscape is out of focus when the camera is shaking!! LMAO I'll give this one an SS/SL.”

“By God, this is how we should negotiate with those A-RABS!


Huh? Iranians ain't A-RABS?
Oh well.”

“Yeah, thanks for modifying that post. That was pretty low rosey.”

“Well, that is a lot of the mentality, Sarge.”

“Exception to the rule - and you know it.”

“i got this thread confused with the "persecute the GW voters" thread.”

“

Tisk, tisk, tisk..... Demoraps In Action.
Photo by some Hillary! boy.”

“*gasp* he's a muslime!”

“I think we should finish the Iraq war and leave a functioning country in our wake. I'm also a Boy Scout adviser for a group of Muslim boy scouts in Boise Idaho. I am just finishing a good book about building schools in rural Pakistan, which should be part of our exit strategy in Afganistan and Iraq.

I've just about read the book "three cups of tea." We all should read it and realize here is a way to change the world, with small schools in Pakistan's frontier country.

In THREE CUPS OF TEA: One Man’s Mission to Promote . . . One School at a Time (Viking/On-sale date: March 6, 2006) Greg Mortenson, and acclaimed journalist David Oliver Relin, recount the unlikely journey that led Mortenson from a failed attempt to climb Pakistan’s K2, the world’s second highest mountain, to successfully building schools in some of the most remote regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan. By replacing guns with pencils, rhetoric with reading, Mortenson combines his unique background with his intimate knowledge of the third-world to fight terrorism with books, not bombs, and successfully bring education and hope to remote villages in central Asia. THREE CUPS OF TEA is at once an unforgettable adventure and the inspiring true story of how one man really is changing the world—one school at a time.



In 1993 Mortenson was descending from his failed attempt to reach the peak of K2. Exhausted and disoriented, he wandered away from his group into the most desolate reaches of northern Pakistan. Alone, without food, water, or shelter he eventually stumbled into an impoverished Pakistani village where he was nursed back to health.



While recovering he observed the village’s 84 children sitting outdoors, scratching their lessons in the dirt with sticks. The village was so poor that it could not afford the $1-a-day salary to hire a teacher. When he left the village, he promised that he would return to build them a school.


From that rash, heartfelt promise grew one of the most incredible humanitarian campaigns of our time: Greg Mortenson’s one-man mission to counteract extremism and terrorism by building schools—especially for girls—throughout the breeding ground of the Taliban.



Mortenson had no reason to believe he could fulfill his promise. In an early effort to raise money he wrote letters to 580 celebrities, businessmen, and other prominent Americans. His only reply was a $100 check from NBC’s Tom Brokaw. Selling everything he owned, he still only raised $2,000. But his luck began to change when a group of elementary school children in River Falls, Wisconsin, donated $623 in pennies, thereby inspiring adults to take his cause more seriously. Twelve years later he’s built fifty-five schools.



Mortenson and award-winning journalist David Oliver Relin have written a spellbinding account of his incredible accomplishments in a region where Americans are feared and hated. In pursuit of his goal, Mortenson has survived an armed kidnapping, fatwas issued by enraged mullahs, repeated death threats, and wrenching separations from his wife and children. Yet his success speaks for itself. This year the schools will educate 24,000 children.””