Obama for President 2008

“No, I said they are ILlegitimate.

This is the little game you play and it is BORING.

But go ahead and post some more of your unsubtantiated news stories. It's fun to rip them apart.”

“.... still waiting for you to name ONE legitimate news source. We all know you won't because your criteria for selecting which ones are legitimate changes depending on if you support what they are reporting.

LMAO! typical”

“Rule of journalism no. 1: must have a credible source. I don't care if it the NY Time, the LA Time or the The World According to Sarge Times. If you don't have a legit source, I don't buy it. Anonymous sources are b.s. thru and thru.”
roseymonster
9:58:56 AM
2/28/08

Don't you know it's a huge communist plot!

They call it the MSM, and doing this allows them to dismiss anything they don't like and turn instead to whatever is the fave kooky website of the week.
last edited: 2/28/08 10:15:14 AM”

“Actually, Sarge, I aways look for crediblility in a story, no matter who it comes from. First and foremost, my criteria is that it have credible sources. You have posted valid news stories on here before. The one you just posted, however, is not one of them for the reasons stated above.”

“Once again roseymonster, what, in your estimation, IS a credible news source? Why are you unwilling to answer that? Don't you want to show me that there are credible ones and uncredible ones?”

“No, Sarge. You can't take control of this conversation and that drives you MAD, doesn't it? This conversation did not begin about what is a credible news SOURCE. It began as a conversation about what is responsible and valid journalistic writing. Apparently, I dealing with an amateur here...
last edited: 2/28/08 10:19:06 AM”

“roseymonster, I can assure you that everybody reading this except for y2 (little brain) knows that you are unwilling and therefore dodging this not because of any "game" you don't want to play, but because if you do YOUR logic will be exposed for the faulty logic that it is.

You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. (except for y2) .... (little brain)”

“I'm teasing you y2. I'm sure you have a nice brain.”

“Asia Times
02/26/08
Obama's women reveal his secret
By Spengler

"Cherchez la femme," advised Alexander Dumas in: "When you want to uncover an unspecified secret, look for the woman." In the case of Barack Obama, we have two: his late mother, the went-native anthropologist Ann Dunham, and his rancorous wife Michelle. Obama's women reveal his secret: he hates America.

We know less about Senator Obama than about any prospective president in American history. His uplifting rhetoric is empty, as Hillary Clinton helplessly protests. His career bears no trace of his own character, not an article for the Harvard Law Review he edited, or a single piece of legislation. He appears to be an empty vessel filled with the wishful thinking of those around him. But there is a real Barack Obama. No man - least of all one abandoned in infancy by his father - can conceal the imprint of an impassioned mother, or the influence of a brilliant wife.

America is not the embodiment of hope, but the abandonment of one kind of hope in return for another. America is the spirit of creative destruction, selecting immigrants willing to turn their back on the tragedy of their own failing culture in return for a new start. Its creative success is so enormous that its global influence hastens the decline of other cultures. For those on the destruction side of the trade, America is a monster. Between half and nine-tenths of the world's 6,700 spoken languages will become extinct in the next century, and the anguish of dying peoples rises up in a global cry of despair. Some of those who listen to this cry become anthropologists, the curators of soon-to-be extinct cultures; anthropologists who really identify with their subjects marry them. Obama's mother, the University of Hawaii anthropologist Ann Dunham, did so twice.

Obama profiles Americans the way anthropologists interact with primitive peoples. He holds his own view in reserve and emphatically draws out the feelings of others; that is how friends and colleagues describe his modus operandi since his days at the Harvard Law Review, through his years as a community activist in Chicago, and in national politics. Anthropologists, though, proceed from resentment against the devouring culture of America and sympathy with the endangered cultures of the primitive world. Obama inverts the anthropological model: he applies the tools of cultural manipulation out of resentment against America. The probable next president of the United States is a mother's revenge against the America she despised.

Ann Dunham died in 1995, and her character emerges piecemeal from the historical record, to which I will return below. But Michelle Obama is a living witness. Her February 18 comment that she felt proud of her country for the first time caused a minor scandal, and was hastily qualified. But she meant it, and more. The video footage of her remarks shows eyes hooded with rage as she declares:

For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment.

The desperation, frustration and disappointment visible on Michelle Obama's face are not new to the candidate's wife; as Steve Sailer, Rod Dreher and other commentators have noted, they were the theme of her undergraduate thesis, on the subject of "blackness" at Princeton University. No matter what the good intentions of Princeton, which founded her fortunes as a well-paid corporate lawyer, she wrote, "My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'Blackness' than ever before. I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong."

Never underestimate the influence of a wife who #&%!$-slaps her husband in public. Early in Obama's campaign, Michelle Obama could not restrain herself from belittling the senator. "I have some difficulty reconciling the two images I have of Barack Obama. There's Barack Obama the phenomenon. He's an amazing orator, Harvard Law Review, or whatever it was, law professor, best-selling author, Grammy winner. Pretty amazing, right? And then there's the Barack Obama that lives with me in my house, and that guy's a little less impressive," she told a fundraiser in February 2007.

"For some reason this guy still can't manage to put the butter up when he makes toast, secure the bread so that it doesn't get stale, and his five-year-old is still better at making the bed than he is." New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd reported at the time, "She added that the TV version of Barack Obama sounded really interesting and that she'd like to meet him sometime." Her handlers have convinced her to be more tactful since then.

"Frustration" and "disappointment" have dogged Michelle Obama these past 20 years, despite her US$300,000 a year salary and corporate board memberships. It is hard for the descendants of slaves not to resent America. They were not voluntary immigrants but kidnap victims, subjected to a century of second-class citizenship even after the Civil War ended slavery. Blackness is not the issue; General Colin Powell, whose parents chose to immigrate to America from the West Indies, saw America just as other immigrants do, as a land of opportunity. Obama's choice of wife is a failsafe indicator of his own sentiments. Spouses do not necessarily share their likes, but they must have their hatreds in common. Obama imbibed this hatred with his mother's milk.

Michelle Obama speaks with greater warmth of her mother-in-law than of her husband. "She was kind of a dreamer, his mother," Michelle Obama was quoted in the January 25 Boston Globe. "She wanted the world to be open to her and her children. And as a result of her naivete, sometimes they lived on food stamps, because sometimes dreams don't pay the rent. But as a result of her naivete, Barack got to see the world like most of us don't in this country." How strong the ideological motivation must be of a mother to raise her children on the thin fair in pursuit of a political agenda.

"Naivete" is a euphemism for Ann Dunham's motivation. Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report. Many Americans harbor leftist views, but not many marry into them, twice. Ann Dunham met and married the Kenyan economics student Barack Obama, Sr, at the University of Hawaii in 1960, and in 1967 married the Indonesian student Lolo Soetero. It is unclear why Soetero's student visa was revoked in 1967 - the fact but not the cause are noted in press accounts. But it is probable that the change in government in Indonesia in 1967, in which the leftist leader Sukarno was deposed, was the motivation.

Soetero had been sponsored as a graduate student by one of the most radical of all Third World governments. Sukarno had founded the so-called Non-Aligned Movement as an anti-colonialist turn at the 1955 Bandung Conference in Indonesia. Before deposing him in 1967, Indonesia's military slaughtered 500,000 communists (or unfortunates who were mistaken for communists). When Ann Dunham chose to follow Lolo Soetero to Indonesia in 1967, she brought the six-year-old Barack into the kitchen of anti-colonialist outrage, immediate following one of the worst episodes of civil violence in post-war history.

Dunham's experience in Indonesia provided the material for a doctoral dissertation celebrating the hardiness of local cultures against the encroaching metropolis. It was entitled, "Peasant blacksmithing in Indonesia: surviving against all odds". In this respect Dunham remained within the mainstream of her discipline. Anthropology broke into popular awareness with Margaret Mead's long-discredited Coming of Age in Samoa (1928), which offered a falsified ideal of sexual liberation in the South Pacific as an alternative to the supposedly repressive West. Mead's work was one of the founding documents of the sexual revolution of the 1960s, and anthropology faculties stood at the left-wing fringe of American universities.

In the Global South, anthropologists went into the field and took matters a step further. Peru's brutal Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path) guerilla movement was the brainchild of the anthropologist Efrain Morote Best, who headed the University of San Cristobal of Huamanga in Ayacucho, Peru, between 1962 and 1968. Dunham's radicalism was more vicarious; she ended her career as an employee of international organizations.

Barack Obama received at least some instruction in the Islamic faith of his father and went with him to the mosque, but the importance of this experience is vastly overstated by conservative commentators who seek to portray Obama as a Muslim of sorts. Radical anti-Americanism, rather than Islam, was the reigning faith in the Dunham household. In the Muslim world of the 1960s, nationalism rather than radical Islam was the ideology of choice among the enraged. Radical Islam did not emerge as a major political force until the nationalism of a Gamal Abdel Nasser or a Sukarno failed.

Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.

There is nothing mysterious about Obama's methods. "A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is," wrote Karl Krauss. Americans are the world's biggest suckers, and laugh at this weakness in their popular culture. Listening to Obama speak, Sinclair Lewis' cynical tent-revivalist Elmer Gantry comes to mind, or, even better, Tyrone Power's portrayal of a carnival mentalist in the 1947 film noire Nightmare Alley. The latter is available for instant viewing at Netflix, and highly recommended as an antidote to having felt uplifted by an Obama speech.

America has the great misfortune to have encountered Obama at the peak of his powers at its worst moment of vulnerability in a generation. With malice aforethought, he has sought out their sore point.

Since the Ronald Reagan boom began in 1984, the year the American stock market doubled, Americans have enjoyed a quarter-century of rising wealth. Even the collapse of the Internet bubble in 2000 did not interrupt the upward trajectory of household assets, as the housing price boom eclipsed the effect of equity market weakness. America's success made it a magnet for the world's savings, and Americans came to believe that they were riding a boom that would last forever, as I wrote recently [1].

Americans regard upward mobility as a God-given right. America had a double founding, as David Hackett Fischer showed in his 1989 study, Albion's Seed . Two kinds of immigrants founded America: religious dissidents seeking a new Promised Land, and economic opportunists looking to get rich quick. Both elements still are present, but the course of the past quarter-century has made wealth-creation the sine qua non of American life. Now for the first time in a generation Americans have become poorer, and many of them have become much poorer due to the collapse of home prices. Unlike the Reagan years, when cutting the top tax rate from a punitive 70% to a more tolerable 40% was sufficient to start an economic boom, no lever of economic policy is available to fix the problem. Americans have no choice but to work harder, retire later, save more and retrench.

This reversal has provoked a national mood of existential crisis. In Europe, economic downturns do not inspire this kind of soul-searching, for richer are poorer, remain what they always have been. But Americans are what they make of themselves, and the slim makings of 2008 shake their sense of identity. Americans have no institutionalized culture to fall back on. Their national religion has consisted of waves of enthusiasm - "Great Awakenings" – every second generation or so, followed by an interim of apathy. In times of stress they have a baleful susceptibility to hucksters and conmen.

Be afraid - be very afraid. America is at a low point in its fortunes, and feeling sorry for itself. When Barack utters the word "hope", they instead hear, "handout". A cynic might translate the national motto, E pluribus unum, as "something for nothing". Now that the stock market and the housing market have failed to give Americans something for nothing, they want something for nothing from the government. The trouble is that he who gets something for nothing will earn every penny of it, twice over.

The George W Bush administration has squandered a great strategic advantage in a sorry lampoon of nation-building in the Muslim world, and has made enemies out of countries that might have been friendly rivals, notably Russia. Americans question the premise of America's standing as a global superpower, and of the promise of upward mobility and wealth-creation. If elected, Barack Obama will do his utmost to destroy the dual premises of America's standing. It might take the country another generation to recover.

"Evil will oft evil mars", J R R Tolkien wrote. It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama. As he recalled in his 1995 autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Obama idealized the Kenyan economist who had married and dumped his mother, and was saddened to learn that Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, was a sullen, drunken polygamist. The elder Obama became a senior official of the government of Kenya after earning a PhD at Harvard. He was an abusive drunk and philanderer whose temper soured his career.

The senior Obama died in a 1982 car crash. Kenyan government officials in those days normally spent their nights drinking themselves stupid at the Pan-Afrique Hotel. Two or three of them would be found with their Mercedes wrapped around a palm tree every morning. During the 1970s I came to know a number of them, mostly British-educated hollow men dying inside of their own hypocrisy and corruption.

Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama's father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals - and nothing can be more terrible for the system. Even those who despise America for its blunders of the past few years should ask themselves whether the world will be a safer place if America retreats into a self-pitying shell.”

“Poor, Sarge. Called out for posting a blatently biased and incredible news story and won't stand by it. That's understandable. We all have hard lessons to learn in life. Some of us learn them later than others but it is important that they are taught. I hope you have learned something from our time here today, Sarge.”

“People who post crap from Drudge, Fox, Newsmax etc. damage their own credibility.

.......assuming they had any to begin with -----”

“All I've seen is an ad hominem attack by you on a reputable news source. If you made some posts elsewhere, please provide a link.

I'm still waiting for you to list ONE credible news source as an example for the rest of us.”

“No, Sarge. You can't take control of this conversation and that drives you MAD, doesn't it? This conversation did not begin about what is a credible news SOURCE. It began as a conversation about what is responsible and valid journalistic writing. Apparently, I dealing with an amateur here...”

“Instead of playing mindreader (which you're horrible at, btw) and telling everybody what you THINK my motivation is, why don't you back up YOUR claim that a legitimate news source is one that does not use "anonymous" as a source. Please provide ONE example of a credible news source that does that.

It's amazing you are so unwilling to do so.

typical though

This did NOT begin as a discussion about the credibility of news sources. It began with an article I posted about Obama. It was YOU who made it about the credibility of news sources, ... but YOU are unwilling to provide a reasonable response to a reasonable question.”

“People who post crap from Drudge, Fox, Newsmax etc. damage their own credibility.

.......assuming they had any to begin with -----”
Tilt
10:32:48 AM
2/28/08

All of those sources have more credibility than the NY Times or CBS. Well except for Newsmax. That rag is like a conservative Star Magazine.”

“Credible? NY Times where they still proudly hold a Pulitzer that was given for a report on the Stalinist Pre World War II government that TOTALLY ignored 60million or more deaths?

LOL”

“People who post crap from Drudge, Fox, Newsmax etc. damage their own credibility.

.......assuming they had any to begin with -----”
Tilt
10:32:48 AM
2/28/08



LMFAO! That statement really gives you a ton of credibility, lol!
Y2 himself says there's no MSM conspiracy. Are you saying he's wrong?”

“
February 27, 2008
Barack Obama, Love Across the Color Line and Political Dirty Tricks
Playing the Race Card
By DAVID ROSEN

[ ..... ]

However, the ugliest use of the race card to date is the attempts to discredit Obama's mother and wife by, first, the Chicago Tribune [March 27, 2007], and, most disgustingly, the Asia Times [February 26, 2008]. The Tribune article goes out of its way to attempt to discredit and denigrate Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, a feminist and anthropologist, into a crazy, 60-ies, atheist hippy and lover and wife of men from different racial backgrounds. All that she is not accused of is being a dope smoker.

The Asia Times is even slimier and may well foreshadow what awaits Obama if he does secure the Democratic presidential nomination. After disparaging Michelle Obama's undergraduate study of her own "blackness" while at Princeton, it goes on to false site the Tribune article, claiming that Obama's mother: "Friends describe her as a 'fellow traveler', that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth. " No such reference to being a "fellow travel" appears in the Tribune article.

It then picks up the tempo of character assassination of Obama's mother, insisting that "many Americans harbor leftist views, but not many marry into them, twice." And after mentioning her role as an anthropologist, it states that Obama "applies the tools of cultural manipulation out of resentment against America. The probable next president of the United States is a mother's revenge against the America she despised."

[ ..... ]

”

“NonC - not sure why you'd think we'd share identical opinions on everything? Or find it funny that we don't.”

“y2, fyi, Tilt says you are wrong.”

“Most of the big news organizations are right most of the time, they'd fail as a business if they weren't.

I do have an issue to the bluring between the lines of editorial and news.

There is some ineviatable politicizing on both sides, but to claim some sort of huge media bias is total BS.”

“I'm sure that the "Asia Times" is quite popular with Aryan Nations.”

“Well, Tilt says you are wrong.”

“If you inclined to the left, the major news media looks pretty unbiased, and Fox seems right leaning.

If you are inclined to the right, you immediately see that by the items chosen to report or not report, the titles of articles, and the tone of articles, the major media slants the news, and Fox looks much more objective.

From the same facts, you can slant an article the way you want it. If you don't have the facts, you can run the story anyway, as Dan Rather did on Bush. Some of the media are Bush haters, and will do anything to hurt him. Some of the viewers are Clinton haters, but the media gives them a soft ride generally, even though the Clinton's give them plenty of information.

The best thing about Obama is that its fun to see Billary get beat up. Go Obama!”

“

From http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2008/fax20080228.asp

Only ABC’s World News (February 13) noted the passage of key legislation by the Iraqi parliament, followed by a unique story the next evening on the success of the surge. The CBS Evening News and NBC Nightly News offered no such stories in February, but NBC did find time to report a visit to Iraq by actress Angelina Jolie.”

“(notice how in the graph, y2 represents U.S. Deaths.) LOL”

“Iraq would be a hopeless quagmire, except for these facts:

1. the locals are signing up in droves to join the local police force or army, or security forces, even in the face of bombings at recruitment centers.

2. the foreign fighters are so oppressive and ruthless to the locals, they turn the locals against them. Very dumb on their part.

3. the locals are turning on the foreign fighters, and either fighting them, or informing on them.

4. This is a country that can produce a lot of oil, which equals $$$. If the government controls the oil, the government will have money. If the government has money, it can survive.
last edited: 2/28/08 12:28:50 PM”

“there has been progress in Iraq Bob - I think they question is about will this lead to long-term stability, or once the troops have gone are we one flashpoint away from civil war?”

“When we stop paying they'll stop playing.”

“Don't know if anyone has brought this up yet...

What kind of people support and work for Obama?

Clicky

And when she was given the chance to refute the outrage she dodges.

Clicky”

“WOW.....she doesn't have the time!!!!”

“What kind of people allow themselves to be duped by a smear campaign, so much so that they gladly pick up the shovel and sling someone else's manure?”

“OK MarkO, answer me this; if you saw a Nazi flag hanging on the wall of a McCain office you would say nothing?”

“Wow, Pot Kettle, eh MarkO?”

“The Fox News logo would get me to wondering a little.”

“I wouldn't set foot in a McCain office.....that's a deflection anyway.

The smear against Obama is gearing up.

Let's see, he's a "communist" and a "stealth muslim".
What else, "queer",...."drug addict"?”

“Ooooooooh, "boozer"??”

“How about this ... He has no experience, and he has no solutions, only goals. And those goals do not always fit in with the "picture" that I and most of America have in their minds eye of ... oh ... I don't know ... America not being at the mercy of the United Nations. But, maybe that's just a smear campaign.

It's funny, the most people I hear talk about his "muslim" background are the people trying to paint him as a victim of the attack.

The majority of people are simply saying, "He is not experienced, nor is he providing any solutions."

And yes, I did read his "solutions" document from his website, and I still stand by that statement. Goals are not solutions.”

“PS - the closest thing he has said that are actual "solutions" are in relation to his policies on Iraq and Iran.

I DOUBLE DOG dare you to repost them him for us to see, and then claim those "solutions" would work. Go ahead, I TRIPLE dog dare you.”

“B2 had that much balleyhooed executive experience and we're all the dubious beneficiaries.”

“I wouldn't set foot in a McCain office.....that's a deflection anyway.

It's not a deflection. You see nothing wrong with an official branch office of a politician displaying a flag depicting a guy who killed tens of thousands of people and represents a system completely opposite of what America stands for? Forget it's Obama. I'm talking any politician. That's why I gave the nazi flag/McCain example.

And of course you didn't answer my question. So again, if you saw a Nazi flag displayed in a McCain office you would say nothing? Be honest now.

I've seen you railing and wailing about Bush based on mere speculation of impropriety.”

“But But./..Sarge...VICTIM is the only thing the Libbies have to offer. The battle is between two totally untested, unqualified VICTIMS...its the battle of the VICTIM...TO see who will get more milk off the mother sow.”

“The smear against Obama is gearing up.

Let's see, he's a "communist" and a "stealth muslim".
What else, "queer",...."drug addict"?

I base my opinion of the man based on what he says and does. Not on what others merely say about him. I never accused him of being a communist. I do accuse him of being an FDR socialist based on his policies alone. I never accused him of being a stealth muslim. He's a christian. And I don't give two hoots if he has done drugs. We all have.”

“".....a guy who killed tens of thousands of people....."

Huh?

He must have been a very busy boy before the C.I.A. rubbed him out.

OK, if I saw a Nazi flag on the wall at a McCain office I would be speechless.
I would try to get a picture to send to Jon Stewart.”

“So you feel this would be a bad thing then?

So why accuse me of a smear campaign when I question Obama's supporters?

I feel negative campaigning when done truthfully, is a good thing. Yes I want to know all the good things a candidate has to offer but at the same time I want the true facts about what they have done wrong too.”

“AHEM...Nigal you need to remember the Libbie Mantra which I so exactingly put to SONG..


IF YOU HAVE LIBBIES LIBBIES LIBBIES
AT THE TABLE TABLE TABLE
THEY WILL CHANGE THE RULES TO SUIT THEM
AS THEY'RE ABLE ABLE ABLE


its the hypocrisy of emotional politics.”

“Xtra Angry?”

“Jesus Frickin' Christ.   Bltch!   Bltch!   Bltch!     All the damn time.   What a pleasure in real life, I can Only imagine.

CQ TODAY ONLINE NEWS
March 3, 2008 – 2:55 a.m.
The Texas Primary Explained: Why Tuesday’s Dem Winner May Not Be Obvious
By Greg Giroux, CQ Staff

Some states choose presidential convention delegates through primary elections. Others use a system of caucuses. Texas is holding both on Tuesday.

Say again?

That’s right — Texas is a primary state and a caucus state. And there’s a Texas-sized explanation for this unusual setup.

( MUCH more )

”

“The only smearing of Obama that I have been hearing is coming directly from the Clinton campaign. Not from the Repbulicans. Unless you mean the mean ole Republicans that are talking about is record in political office. But I guess that is below the belt as well. He should be judged by his reteoric, not his record.”

“Yeah NoProb - cos that emphasis on his middle name has been coming from Hillary right?”