Obama for President 2008

“Al qaeda couldn't let the US establish even a half-way working democracy in Iraq. They've been trying everything they can to stop it: trying to create a full-blown muslim-on-muslim civil war, trying to set up theocratic substates in parts of Iraq, trying to get American liberals/media to create a vietnam-style win, terrorizing Iraqi citizens, etc.

Even with Bush's bungling of the post-war peace, they haven't succeeded. The real power plays are between the US and Iran, not AQ. In fact, AQ (and its copy-cats) has been so brutal - killing, torturing, raping - muslim civilians, that a lot of mulsims have come to realize how awful AQ is and what life would be like under an AQ islamic super-empire.

Meanwhile, US intelligence assets grow and countries like SA are still cracking down on extremism. Compare that to AQ - no 9/11 scale ops, and they've shown the world they can't thwart even a bungling America. AQ has come across as the Paper Tiger.

Plenty has gone wrong with Iraq, but as usual, the situation is not as handwringingly bad as the Paulistinians and Jane Fondas and Walter Kronkites would make out.
last edited: 3/28/08 9:20:11 AM”

“Iraq could be like Viet Nam is today , you know?

It's like global warming, everyone is as right as they are wrong.
last edited: 3/28/08 9:33:26 AM”

“Mutt is clutching at straws yet again.

The real issue is that the 'positives' he listed could have been achieved without the cost in lives and dollars of invading Iraq.

The US also spent most of it's political capital, no higher than in the days post 9/11, by invading Iraq - which in turn actually contributed to the largest terrorist recruitment drive in history across many nations in the world.

What Mutt also fails to acknowkdedge is the role of Islamisc extremists in Afganistan, while aslo seeminly ignoring the role of suicide bombers in Iraq.

Suicide bombers are almost never a product of conflict between governments like Iran, but come more from bran-washing groups like AQ.

Nice glossing over of anything which doesn't suit your hand-washing views Muttly.
last edited: 3/28/08 10:15:24 AM”

“I struggle to see how anyone can portray the events of the past 5-years as anything other than an abject failure in terms of looking after America's national interest.

We're at the damange limitation stage now.

Mutt - direct question to you - what was AQ before 9/11 - what is it now?
What has the cost been in lives and money to get us to this stage?”

“NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania endorsed on Friday Barack Obama's campaign for the Democratic nomination for president in a boost for the Illinois senator.

Obama aides said Casey would appear later at an Obama campaign event in Pennsylvania, where the candidate is vying with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for support in the April 22 primary election.

Casey also would join part of Obama's six-day bus tour across the state, due to start in Pittsburgh, they said.”

“LOL..REV Wright who demanded people serve in the poor communities...has his retirement plan.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html

Go to the bottom and click on the Golden Years section”

“Ah, Obama will be President - the other two make too many slips and mistakes.”

“Jewish World Review March 26, 2008 / 19 Adar II 5768

Is Obama ready for America?

By Walter Williams
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | Some pundits ask whether America is ready for Obama. The much more important question is whether Obama is ready for America and even more important is whether black people can afford Obama. Let's look at it in the context of a historical tidbit.

In 1947, Jackie Robinson, signing a contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers, broke the color barrier in major league baseball. He encountered open racist taunts and slurs from fans, opposing team players and even some players on his own team. Despite that, his first year batting average was .297. He led the National League in stolen bases and won the first-ever Rookie of the Year Award. Without question, Jackie Robinson was an exceptional player. There's no sense of justice that should require that a player be as good as Jackie Robinson in order to be a rookie in the major leagues but the hard fact of the matter, as a first black player, he had to be.

In 1947, black people could not afford a stubble bum baseball player. By contrast, today black people can afford stubble bum black baseball players. The simple reason is that as a result of the excellence of Jackie Robinson, as well those who immediately followed him such as Satchel Paige, Don Newcombe, Larry Doby and Roy Campanella, there's no one in his right mind, who might watch the incompetence of a particular black player, who can say, "Those blacks can't play baseball." Whether we like it or not, whether for good reason or bad reason, people make stereotypes and stereotypes can have effects.

For the nation and for black people, the first black president should be the caliber of a Jackie Robinson and Barack Obama is not. Barack Obama has charisma and charm but in terms of character, values and understanding, he is no Jackie Robinson. By now, many Americans have heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Obama's minister and spiritual counselor. There's no way that Obama could have been a 20-year member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church and not been aware of his statements.

Wright's racist and anti-American ideas are by no means unique. They are the ideas of many leftist professors and taught to our young people. The basic difference between Sen. Obama, Wright and leftist professors is simply a matter of style and language. His Philadelphia speech demonstrated his clever style where he merely changed the subject. The controversy was not about race. It was about his longtime association with such a hatemonger and whether he shared the Reverend's vision.

Obama's success is truly a remarkable commentary on the goodness of Americans and how far we've come in resolving matters of race. I'm 72 years old. For almost all of my life, a black having a real chance at becoming the president of the United States was at best a pipe dream. Obama has convincingly won primaries in states with insignificant black populations. As such, it further confirms what I've often said: The civil rights struggle in America is over and it's won. At one time black Americans did not have the constitutional guarantees enjoyed by white Americans; now we do. The fact that the civil rights struggle is over and won does not mean that there are not major problems confronting many members of the black community but they are not civil rights problems and have little or nothing to do with racial discrimination.

While not every single vestige of racial discrimination has disappeared, Obama and the Rev. Wright are absolutely wrong in suggesting that racial discrimination is anywhere near the major problem confronting a large segment of the black community. The major problems are: family breakdown, illegitimacy, fraudulent education and a high rate of criminality. To confront these problems, that are not the fault of the larger society, requires political courage and that's an attribute that Obama and most other politicians lack.”

“ROFFLMDAO.

What caliber is Bush?”

“Apparently you can't put the words together and have to "forward", "c&p" or otherwise let other people speak for you.

I stand in awe of your credibility.”

“~eyeroll~”

“Is it just me or is does anyone else see the humor in a white conservative from Arkansas taking a position on which black man is best for the black people in America.

Priceless, strat.

Thanks for my humor of the day.”

“A quote from strats cut and paste....



....are absolutely wrong in suggesting that racial discrimination is anywhere near the major problem confronting a large segment of the black community. The major problems are: family breakdown, illegitimacy, fraudulent education and a high rate of criminality.

Emphasis added....

Has the MF ever been in certain parts of TN, AR or AL....


....does he really believe the "blacks" have cornered those markets?”

“White trash is just all Kleenex.hehehehehehehe”

“I guess it would be funnier if strat was actually trying to post humor.

The typical strat shuffle is not only disingenuous, but sad as well. It speaks volumes about the state of this fine Republic when I read the musings from the likes of Lt. Dan and strat. It's just too bad that ignorance never translates into solutions.”

“"The major problems are: family breakdown, illegitimacy, fraudulent education and a high rate of criminality. "

Aw Hell, that could be any "White" trailer park in Michigan.
last edited: 3/28/08 11:51:50 AM”

“Hell, that could be middle class neighbor hoods in Lower Alabama.”

“the kind that get dressed up to go to wal*mart”

“Laq, I know you probably don't take a break from molesting undergrads there but...UM more Whites are on the public dole than blacks. The family break down is going on in all parts of society.

Heck I have investigated fires in some of the worst public projects in the city and then totally disgusted with some of the White Trash in the "uppity" neighborhoods in the richer areas.

All I look for is responsiblity and as a rule the white trash seem to blame "the negro, jew etc etc"

The irresponsible blacks blame, "WHITE "anonymous" this and that'

THey have one thing in common. They have tied their lakc of even trying to move forward to an irrational belief in some strange conspiracy against them.

JUST REMEMBER Ignorance we can change with education. Stupid (think Lactose here) is forever.”

“are you saying that blacks can't have teh same problems as whites. You guys must believe in equal but separate too.

chili, walter williams is a black man, http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/ ,. I fail to see how strap shouldn't have a opinion on which black man is the best for the black people in America. Unless you are saying we should leave the blacks separate from US politics.”

“One of the only constants on this board is that you will never fail to disappoint.”

“http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/whos-scrubbing.html

Let's just pretend like none of this ever happened.”

“

In 1976 I met Colonel Loan and shook the hand that fired that weapon.
Does that make me an accessory to murder?
It's not something that I'm particularly proud of nor am I ashamed in any way.
I didn't know who he was until I had done the dastardly deed.
He was introduced to me by my father and I did the gentlemanly thing.............so what?


Obama is not Farrakan, nor is he "Reverend" Wright.

I think y'all have beaten this dead horse plenty.
You've shovelled the mud and run it up the flag pole.

*yawn*

By all means, keep at it if ya care to.”

“Another view of Colonel Loan.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0410/faas.html

General Nguyen Ngoc Loan continued to take the fight to the Vietcong and, despite his notoriety after the execution, U.S. commanders and newsmen who knew him respected him for his bravery and determination.
Eddie Adams felt that his famous photo unfairly maligned Loan, who lived in Virginia after the war and died in 1998.

The next time I saw a photograph of Nguyen Ngoc Loan, then promoted to Brigadier General, was during the "Mini-Tet" Offensive in May 1968. Vietcong had again reached the inner ring of the city and were fighting at the bridge that connects the district of Gia Dinh with Saigon. Brig. Gen. Loan had led a charge of South Vietnamese troops across the bridge when a machine gun ripped his leg off.”

“Hey, it's just about my only claim to "infamy"..........that I can recall just now.

I suppose Loan was a good soldier for what it's worth.”

“The subject (Barack and Wright) makes a liberal looks bad so it must be dropped now. It is no longer relevent. Marky has said so and must be obeyed.

I tend to agree, but I'd like to ask you this. If it was a Republican sitting in Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell's congregation for the past 20 years, would you drop it?
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“i probably would never have brought it up in the first place.”

“Thanks for the go ahead Marko.

There is VAST difference between the casual meeting and shaking of hands you describe, and the 20 year personal relationship between Obama and a bigot that continues to this day. With judgment like this, I wonder who he will put into his cabinet should he become President.”

“frankly the fact that he can forge a relationship with a bigot and still treat them as a person is yet another reason to be impressed with obama.”

“The fact that the only thing that seems to have stuck is his relationship with this guy is pretty good proof of how strong his candidacy is (and this is running against the clintons).

Of course we could see more - I'm sure the republicans are attempting to dig up all they can as we speak (and I'm sure them Dems are doing on McCain - though Rove has already helped out here in 2000).

Of course given the failings and mistakes of the present administration, questioning judgment is shakey ground for any Republican to stand on right now.”

“I see nothing impressive about continuing a relationship with a bigot. I didn't see anything impressive about Bush keeping Rumsfeld and his other dismissed cronies around as long as he did either.”

“That's like the old saying "Birds of a feather flock together".”

“In terms of Judgment would it be better to dump this guy because you want to be President one day. What sort of man would that make him?

Would it be better to leave the congregation or to try and offer a more moderate voice within that church and that commuunity?”

“Totally agree with Ms Dancer, Marko man, Obama will be dummest move in American history, and all those who vote for him.”

“Why - what you think he'll do? Who you think he'll appoint?”

“what mildbill said is exactly what will happen. there goes the neighborhood all all the thugs will be free. He will sell out to a smarter Government during his tenure, ie,...Iran,China will laugh him all the way to cotton fields,Russia will rebuild there might cause now they have a chance to do it and conquer us. Obama will raise taxes and rebuild africa with his church, obama will search out all the white peoples farmes handed down to them and if this land has any ties with slavery , he will demand they give up part or pay money the NAACP.”

“And how many times have we heard everyone on the left lambasting Bush for simple associations and tenuous connections?

Countless. Yet when it's their favorite guy it's a smear campaign. LOL!”

“my grandfather was a bigot. he hated the japanese... a wwii vet that was in okinawa. i never thought less of him for his racist opinions of the japanese. i understood his view came from a different set of experiences and continued to love and respect him. i was more than capable of deciding... as my role model (more so than my father)... what aspects of his personality i could accept and what i chose to reject based on my experiences.

i don't believe in guilt by association. if you want to prove to me that obama will run a racist administration you'll have to more than convince me he knows people that are racists.”

“Get real.”

“Do some of you good people really think that Obama would have a racist government??
And all of this based upon his being a member of a church that has an idiot for a pastor.

What some of you have been saying for some time now is that racism "belongs" to black Americans now absolving white Americans of any guilt or responsibility for the past 300 years.

That "they" should have gotten over it by now and that their ancestors were responsible for their own enslavement anyway seems to be a popular sentiment.

No Prod, suck shlt and die, a$$hole.

George, when are you going to give up this charade?
Please just #&%!$ off.”

“Yogisan, you can choose your preacher, but you can't choose your grandfather.

Prove to me that Obama will NOT run a racist administration. Obama uses racially charged and insensitive language (typical white person) and voluntarily choose to join a church that regularly preached racism and anti-semitism.”

“Prove to me McCain won't run a racist Administration.

Prove to me McCain won't be crazy, like Rove and Bush painted him to be in 2000.”

“It's kind of a hoot, though sad, to see so many otherwise decent and certainly affluent people play the victim card.

I suppose it's all that some of you have got.”

“It's crazy - they're struggling to find anything to criticize him on, so turn to this. Sure you can bear it in mind - but this is not what the man is all about.”

“marko , the poor little victim.”

“Read again, Kevvie.

You and some of the others here are the "victims" of "black racism" ten months before the probable inauguration.”

“Genius mArKo claims Black people can not be racist. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL”

“I never made a claim like that and never will.

Go ahead, make up more shlt about me.

Knock yourself out.”

“I personally don't give two shyts about his church. I've said from the beginning this is a dumb issue that takes away from the real issue Obama is dangerous...his policies.

I simply like to find some consistency from the Boogyman Bush Chasers.”

“Sure you want to claim that again, mARkO?”